Are WE to Blame?

Honorary Janitor? Disney can make ANYTHING sound great! :rotfl:

It was pretty funny and I was very um, surprised. He was 7 at the time and he was like "cool! Thanks, can I try that" and pointed to the broom. The guy was like sure and let him sweep a bit. I was really tired and it was very late but I can't believe I didn't take a picture but they have honest to goodness janitor stickers. Thankfully we weren't in a bathroom when it happened! :lmao: Some people get to be in the parade or wake Tink but hey we got to help clean up the real pixie dust! Please oh please don't mob the janitors now.
 
Actually I think it's half us and half Disney. Yes we chat about things but that's the nature of people.

However, Disney does not help matters sometimes. I seem to recall a Disney show on the travel channel where you had someone state that it was great especially when their daughter got to meet all the princesses in the Rose garden.

I'm like yeah that's gonna happen. I've been going for a long time and never once seen princesses just standing our in the rose garden. So it's half us in our excitement and half Disney.
 
My son was made an honorary janitor one evening. It was very late and one night we passed a janitor who gave my son a special pin, a janitor sticker and let him help sweep the sidewalk. Who knew?? Now, let's not all go mob the cleaning staff. Haha! Or maybe if guests were made honorary CMs we could help with the staffing problem, lol.

Maybe if enough guests mob the cleaning staff clamoring for this experience, the staff cutbacks won't matter...:lmao:
 
It was pretty funny and I was very um, surprised. He was 7 at the time and he was like "cool! Thanks, can I try that" and pointed to the broom. The guy was like sure and let him sweep a bit. I was really tired and it was very late but I can't believe I didn't take a picture but they have honest to goodness janitor stickers. Thankfully we weren't in a bathroom when it happened! :lmao: Some people get to be in the parade or wake Tink but hey we got to help clean up the real pixie dust! Please oh please don't mob the janitors now.

:rotfl: I think it's awesome!
 

OP...you've hit the nail square and driven it in all the way in one shot.

And all the poo-poo'ers, oh we can't be having THAT much influence...prove your point to perfection.

Disney monitors EVERYTHING having to do with The Brand. It's very easy to set up an aggregator that gives them the internet chatter. If someone is talking about a good experience, they know; a bad, they sure as heck know.

It's one of the reasons the CMs who belong to this board rarely identify themselves as current staff. They are under all sorts of NDA's regarding company secrets, etc., and value their paycheck's safety far more than disseminating information to the masses.

The larger picture is the more damning one. We are a culture of entitlement. No red blooded American is going to turn down a perk, and most folks visiting from out of town are going to say a hearty "yes please!" if something special is offered. When those offerings are known to have occurred to "someone else," it sets up the expectation that surely I deserve something like that, too. (Everyone imagines winning the jackpot when they buy the ticket...and feels a pang of jealousy when theirs are not the numbers drawn. Human nature.)

I've had more than my share of magical moments, but 99% of them came out of interacting with CM's in ways that made it magical on BOTH sides. The CM who is thrilled to remember my mom with the turquoise streaks in her hair, after I've told "Chip" that he's her favorite and was just there to visit with "him" last week, jumping up and down and pointing at "his" chest and nodding excitedly that yes, my mom is someone remembered because SHE made it memorable, too...that's magic. Or when Goofy spends a huge chunk of time playing with my teenage son and we end up with about twenty priceless photos...taken by the PhotoPass photographer. These are the kinds of things that can't be reproduced, because they came out of the moment. And that's how Disney will keep the magic alive.

It's a big adjustment to have park attendance increasing so rapidly and growing pains are hard on everyone. All we can hope for going forward is that the adjustments do happen.
 
I think the part that I bolded and underlined are important. The legendary service may be a thing of the past. As society and the world of business has changed, the trickle down effect from the top is now being seen and felt by the people you interact with daily at the parks.

In this case, yes, this starts at the top. If you bring in someone to run WDW that says, we're going back to the beginning and doing it the way Walt wanted it done, you'd probably see the CM's being put through the school without cutting the courses and people seeing smiling faces throughout the park with all the unpleasantness saved for "off-stage".

To look at the other side however, if everyone goes in demanding or expecting that they'll be selected as an Indiana Jones audience choice or they're going to force an action to be done by a face character to make something magical happen, you're going to see that the CMs are not going to necessarily be happy about it. Managers and supervisors are probably being constantly hounded about "this magical thing didn't happen" that they just don't want to hear it anymore.

It is funny because we were at the disney hotel having terrible service, yet their disney ad on the TV was all about the "legendary" disney service, so they somehow still think they do. I must say I wrote to costumer service once I got home and I got a called back and some resolution to our problems. Nothing over the top, but it is a little bit more than I have gotten from other hotel brands (usually a generic email).

Believe I get it they don't want to deal with it, but that is their job. I worked in the industry did I wanted to get yelled for the 20th time that day because it was cold outside? No (I am not kidding people actually complain about this), but that was my job. I had to smile and try to make it a positive experience. You can't take things personal and treat every guest as they approach you, I understand if they are yelling at you, you don't have to smile and be friendly, but should you take it out on the other guest?

I never let anyone treat my employees disrespectfully and I had plenty of guest escorted out by security. To work in the service industry you need thick skin. You get yelled at, you get things thrown at you, you get literally crazy people and you have to do your job.

Honorary Janitor? Disney can make ANYTHING sound great! :rotfl:

Ok now this is "legendary" :lmao::lmao::lmao:
 
OP...you've hit the nail square and driven it in all the way in one shot.

And all the poo-poo'ers, oh we can't be having THAT much influence...prove your point to perfection.

Disney monitors EVERYTHING having to do with The Brand. It's very easy to set up an aggregator that gives them the internet chatter. If someone is talking about a good experience, they know; a bad, they sure as heck know.

It's one of the reasons the CMs who belong to this board rarely identify themselves as current staff. They are under all sorts of NDA's regarding company secrets, etc., and value their paycheck's safety far more than disseminating information to the masses.

The larger picture is the more damning one. We are a culture of entitlement. No red blooded American is going to turn down a perk, and most folks visiting from out of town are going to say a hearty "yes please!" if something special is offered. When those offerings are known to have occurred to "someone else," it sets up the expectation that surely I deserve something like that, too. (Everyone imagines winning the jackpot when they buy the ticket...and feels a pang of jealousy when theirs are not the numbers drawn. Human nature.)

I've had more than my share of magical moments, but 99% of them came out of interacting with CM's in ways that made it magical on BOTH sides. The CM who is thrilled to remember my mom with the turquoise streaks in her hair, after I've told "Chip" that he's her favorite and was just there to visit with "him" last week, jumping up and down and pointing at "his" chest and nodding excitedly that yes, my mom is someone remembered because SHE made it memorable, too...that's magic. Or when Goofy spends a huge chunk of time playing with my teenage son and we end up with about twenty priceless photos...taken by the PhotoPass photographer. These are the kinds of things that can't be reproduced, because they came out of the moment. And that's how Disney will keep the magic alive.

It's a big adjustment to have park attendance increasing so rapidly and growing pains are hard on everyone. All we can hope for going forward is that the adjustments do happen.

You just made me think of a great moment we had with Goofy in December! My niece's best friend was with us (we were celebrating her Sweet 16), and Goofy is her FAVORITE character. She got SO excited that she started to cry because she couldn't believe she was actually meeting Goofy himself! Which, in turn, made Goofy excited and he got down on one knee and "proposed" to her! :cool1:

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In listening to this week’s segment on the issue of whether or not we know too much, a thought struck me: are we, the fan community, to blame for the perceived decrease in Disney’s quality? Now, don’t get me wrong, Disney is a company whose founder was a believer in the idea that “quality will out” and so should not be taken off the hook if this thought were to bear fruit, but… Maybe it is partially our own fault for the loss of some of the stuff we’ve all lamented. On a larger scale, maybe it’s Disney World’s guests in general.

I’ve often heard Pete lament the loss of the “Disney Difference ™” and I too feel that there has been less of an effort from the cast members in terms of going above and beyond. We’ve heard tales of how these little special touches that used to surprise people have just vanished; that CM’s used to be much more helpful in making a vacation a truly memorable experience for the guests and that now that type of stuff is vanishing. I’ve read how people lament the loss of cast members treating a birthday boy or girl to a free dessert or a newlywed couple to a glass of champagne, and while these things do still happen, it seems to a lot of folks that they happen less often.

We’ve seen the loss of personalized and individual experiences fading, Miyuki in Japan, the candy lady, used to give the fondant animals to children to take home, then it was reduced to only taking suggesting and not distributing the candy, now she’s gone altogether. The paintbrushes on Tom Sawyer’s Island, waking Tinkerbelle, shouting “Andy!,” all of these are not urban legends of a bygone era in the Disney parks.

Sure it is easy to chalk all of this up to Disney being cheap and trying to show record profits quarter over quarter, and there is certainly an element of that going on. But I wonder if the fault, dear Brutus, lay not in the stars, but in ourselves.

Most of us came to the boards for one of a couple of reasons. Some to share stories about recent trips, some of us to seek guidance in purchasing DVC or how to best plan a vacation, some to discuss Imagineering; the list of reasons for each of us to come here is long and varied, but those reasons all share one common element, the exchange of information. This is not inherently a bad thing and many of us have been better able to enjoy the parks because of that very knowledgebase so readily available, but maybe we all overshared. Maybe we all let everyone in on things that were meant to be private, magical moments just for us. Maybe that very sharing made it impossible for Disney to do it for others.

Consider this: A cast member sees a young man who is really upset about just missing the height requirement for Space Mountain, which all of his siblings have cleared. The kid is obviously dejected and on the verge of tears when the cast member suddenly remembers that Buzz Lightyear was on the lookout for a special agent to take on a mission for him. The cast member then gives Mom a FP and says you need to take him over there right now, and he can’t wait in line because this mission is of utmost importance so show them that security pas and they’ll get you to the front of the line.. The kid and mom hurry off the Buzz and now the kid has a great story instead of a dashed hoped. Mom comes home, writes a glowing trip report and let’s folks know that if your kid can’t get on Space Mountain, the CM’s can give you a FP for Space Ranger Spin. And so it spreads, something that was a one off decision made in the moment is not an expectation. Is this a simplified version of what happens? Is this perhaps a bad example? Sure, but I think that it illustrates the point. Let’s look at something a little darker and a whole lot more likely.

Mom and dad are out eating at Tutto Italia when mom orders an item that comes with mushrooms and asks that they be left off, as she has an allergy. The waiter makes a note, but forgets to ring it in, or the cook is swamped and somehow misses it, in any event the sauce is prepared with mushrooms and Mom has a bad reaction, eventually needing medical attention and an unpleasant evening getting acquainted with the lovely décor of the bathroom in the Port Orleans Riverside studio in which her family is staying. Disney comps not only the meal, but are offering a comped stay at a resort in the future, stating that it was an unconscionable screw-up and they are mortified and want to make sure that she’s ok and able to come back in the future and enjoy a trip on them. Does this sound crazy and overly generous of Disney? Perhaps, but there are plenty of stories of a similar nature out there that indicate that stuff like this has happened.

Mom comes home and writes about this on the boards, and it is read by another mom, Gina Handout, who is always looking to get something for nothing. Gina Handout dines at a variety of on-site restaurants and at each one has a litany of special requests for each item ordered: no cherries on the sundaes, substitutes for every vegetable, etc… And when one dish arrives incorrectly, she catches it immediately and demands to see a manager. Though no one has actually ingested the item in question, the fact that her precious baby MIGHT have done so is enough to warrant Disney doing something to “make it right.” She screams, carries on, and freaks out, secure in the knowledge that she knows what they CAN do; after all she’s read about it online.

Every time we share something special or unique that a cast member did for us, or every way in which Disney goes out of its way to make our vacations magical or make up for a mistake on their part, we raise the level of expectations. If folks read about something someone else got and then they themselves don’t get it, they feel cheated, and you can’t deny that when you are dropping several thousand dollars on a trip (something most folks only spend on cars and houses), there is a certain level of entitlement that is understandable.

I’m not immune to this. I’ve read numerous stories on this board and others about how Disney responded in a medical emergency; how a cast member arranged transport to the Celebration Hospital and had Disney pick up the cost of the cab or did something else special for a person who was sick or injured during their vacation. Imagine my surprise when I hobbled down to the main lobby at 3 in the morning sweating profusely and barely able to speak due to what had yet to be diagnosed as a severe case of strep throat, and was handed directions to the hospital and a phone number for a taxi company. My father had driven down and so I roused him and he drove me over, which wasn’t that big of a deal, except it made me wonder why I didn’t get that same level of care and attention. Did Disney OWE me a ride to the hospital, no, but I felt entitled to one, and I’m not usually that kind of a person.

I think that we need to understand that if we keep blabbing to one another about all of the special ways in which Disney created magic for us, there is less of likelihood that they will be able to do it again for someone else in the future. Rather than face those dashed expectations, I believe that Disney is setting the bar lower on purpose, so that they can raise it only slightly and still come across as having gone out of their way for us. The issue of scale is a major problem for Disney and you can hear it all the time when folks talk about how the parks are so crowded.

Maybe if we all stopped LOOKING for ways in which Disney can make our trips even more special, and instead just enjoyed the vacation, we could all find the magic again and be surprised when something special does happen. Well, that’s my $0.10 (it’s a Disney board, I had to jack up the price of my thoughts to keep pace with the parks), what does everyone else think?
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In listening to this week’s segment on the issue of whether or not we know too much, a thought struck me: are we, the fan community, to blame for the perceived decrease in Disney’s quality?

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Well, that’s my $0.10 (it’s a Disney board, I had to jack up the price of my thoughts to keep pace with the parks), what does everyone else think?

I think you may be on to something.

More broadly, I think the whole idea of the internet may not be such a good thing. There is, literally, too much information out there.

Furthermore, and in part as a result of the preceding statement, there is too much specialization. Everything, including how to vacation at Disney, is analyzed and dissected to the point that there is little, if not no, naiveté and innocence left.

That's my $0.10. :)
 
I loved this post. It's completely true. It seems like more and more lately I come across people with extreme senses of entitlement. Unfortunately, Disney is no exception. Do you drop thousands upon thousands of dollars on a trip? Yes. But - so do other people. More often than not, you get what you pay for at Disney, and you shouldn't expect more than that. If you happen to get more, great! But the expectations and sense of entitlement is what ruins it for so many. Just my opinion!
 
I think OP makes a good point and, yes, I think the public sharing of "secrets" probably had contributed to the discontinuing of some "secret" Disney perks.
 
Again, no disrespect, ARE YOU KIDDING ME! When I invite people to my house for a party I do not EXPECT them to clean up after themselves, I invited them and when everyone leaves I, and my wife, clean up. When Disney invites me to enjoy their parks, at considerable cost, I should not be responsible for helping to keep the bathroom clean after I use it ( I'm paying the salary of the people who work for Disney who's job that is) I do agree people could at least take their trays and refuse away from the table at QS resteraunts but, if they don't there should be an army of CM's making it seem like that never even happened. I'm sorry but for the most part , when your paying what your paying to enjoy the "MAGIC" at Disney, their should be people to clean up after the people who don't clean up after themselves so you don't have to!:scared1:

And, you know, I wanted to address this.

Dh and I host a lot. We have the biggest house out of my family so we tend to have the get togethers. We provide food and, yes, insist no one clean up after dinner. However, I'd be pretty upset if, after a party, I walked into the powder room and found that someone had urinated all over the floor or dropped a nasty used tampon in the middle of the room and didn't clean it up. It's disrespectful. To expect some other human to clean up after you like this is awful. I don't care what you paid to get in the door, that property belongs to someone else. It's no ones job to clean up after you to that degree. No one. My daughter spilled her milk at Cosmic Rays. A castmember noticed it and told me not to worry about it. I let her mop (it was easier than trying to get it with napkins) but you can bet your butt dd and I cleaned up the rest. That's respectful.
 
with technology allowing instant knowledge i would tend to believe message boards, Facebook and twitter do ruin many things.

Take Tom sawyer island. The magic that was finding the paint brush is gone.

The problem is that we, in many ways , ruin it for the newbies. The expectation levels, the touring plans, the judgement.
There is no wrong or right way to tour a place like Disney because there is just too much to see and do in the parks and resorts.

You're not entitled to a fast pass or a dessert because its your birthday.
I have never, ever had bad customer service because i realize that it is a human being helping me. THEY may be having a crappy day so guess what, why should i add to it:confused3 I smile, I'm polite and guess what I just made someones day that less stressful.

I strongly believe that because people are working harder to make ends meet theses days they are expecting, when they go on a Disney Trip soo much more than what was ever given or promised to them. Now they are pissed and they want blood.
 
You just made me think of a great moment we had with Goofy in December! My niece's best friend was with us (we were celebrating her Sweet 16), and Goofy is her FAVORITE character. She got SO excited that she started to cry because she couldn't believe she was actually meeting Goofy himself! Which, in turn, made Goofy excited and he got down on one knee and "proposed" to her! :cool1:

Thank you for sharing that memory! I love Goofy so much, and it's evident that the headliner characters CM's are still getting the Traditions training to make it magical.
 
So I'm curious. How did people know about the paintbrush thing before? I mean, people didn't just head to Tom Sawyer island at rope drop and stumble across them? So your issue isn't that people knew about it..... but that too many people knew about it? How is that fair? I mean, everyone needs a fair shot at stuff, right?

Sort of like fastpass, right?

;)

I do find it interesting that when it comes to this subject, the "relative few DISers" are enough to cause Disney to stop offering special things like the paintbrushes, but when it comes to FP+ we shouldn't complain because it only affects a "relative few" and Disney won't change anything they are because of that relative few.
 
Didn't want to quote your post again OP but you are spot on with your questions. I'll add the GAC changes were due to publicizing it too much in public. People learned all they had to do was say "autism". It was really abused. Same with people renting wheelchairs just to get into the handicapped line. Did anyone mention waking Tinkerbell? That's been gone for a long time too.

I used to get so upset when people planning their first trip came on here with a list they had compiled of special moments, pixie dust, freebies, etc. and asked how to get them all.

I have stated in other threads that we do share the blame for disseminating the information. But it's not our fault how Disney handled it.
 
Just going to agree with a lot of what was said here by others and the OP. We HAVE become a culture of entitlement. Everyone wants their freebies. If so and so got it, I should too!

Thing is, at least for me, part of what makes pixie dust so special is that it doesn't happen all the time. If something becomes the norm, it loses some of the magic.

Sure it's fine to be a little jealous of someone getting a perk you got, that is only natural. But be happy for that person!

There's that saying 'a watched pot never boils'. I think it applies here. The best magic happens when you aren't looking for it.
 
I think it is interesting that when my friends consult me about going to Disney for the first time, and we are speaking face-to-face, I don't ever talk about the "Pixie Dust" but rather about hotels, restaurants, timing, weather, how to save money, etc... Any Pixie Dust I've experienced I don't really think to mention, because I don't feel it comes standard with every trip. However, when people come to a discussion board, it is kind of hard to miss either threads all about Pixie Dust or threads pointing out the lack of it.

I just wonder if one of the answers to the changing "magic" or the changing "Pixie Dust" that Disney is going to attempt is via MDX and the Magic Bands (once the bugs are exterminated). People will have their info on their bands (esp. their real birthdays), maybe more experiences with Pixie Dust will be digitally triggered... for both good and ill. lol
 
You don't get a good reputation by having secret good things that only a few people know about, and you don't lose a good reputation because too many people find out about the good things and you have to stop. The contradictions in this line of reasoning make it sound like a Yogi Berra quote.
 
Entitlement has ruined everything anymore. As people spend lots of money to go to WDW, they feel entitled to the "special things". Why? I paid for it, make it happen. When the honest truth is, regardless of who you are, where you stay, what you do for a living, when you pay money to go to Disney World, you are paying for a room to hold your belongings and sleep in as well as park gates to walk through. That's it.

I agree with this in part. I don't feel entitled to "special things", by which I mean special events that are outside the norm. Being picked for a show, singled out by a character, or whatever - those are events outside the norm, and lucky for you if it happens.

I DO feel entitled, by virtue of the very high prices we pay to stay onsite, to high quality, prompt, courteous service in resorts and restaurants, a clean resort room, clean eating areas, and clean restrooms. I would expect these things at any resort I paid $150-400 a night (plus additional meal costs) to stay at. And we haven't consistently experienced those things the last couple of trips. So we rescheduled our vacations elsewhere and canceled our WDW resort reservations.
 


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