Are we being "Punished" for not being gay?

JoeEpcotRocks said:
To the OP, yes, I would call that discrimination.

I don't think it is discrimination. But I think it is worded wrong. Either the policy should be called: Same Sex Partner benefits or it should be just domestic partner benefits and that would include the OP.

But as others pointed out she has chosen to not get married therefore why should she expect the same benefits as those of us who are married? If the company didn't have a specific policy for same sex couples then they wouldn't receive the same privleges as married couples?

~Amanda
 
JoeEpcotRocks said:
Perhaps companies should consider having benefits (at an appropriate price/deductible) to everyone in the "household," that is, all those living at the same residence.


Do you realize how much that would cost? There are some (not trying to stereotype but I've seen it first hand many times) ethnic groups that have upwards of 20 "flavors" of family members living under one roof. Should they all be covered? IMO, NO!
 
Charade said:
Do you realize how much that would cost? There are some (not trying to stereotype but I've seen it first hand many times) ethnic groups that have upwards of 20 "flavors" of family members living under one roof. Should they all be covered? IMO, NO!

I thought of that too, that's why I said at an appropriate cost/deductible (employee cost).

I know the whole idea is too progressive for me ;) , but I thought I'd throw it out there. Once you get beyond married couples and children, where do you draw the line? -- without violating gov't regs or being accused of discrimination.

Things are certainly getting more complicated these days for employers.
 
Charade said:
Do you realize how much that would cost? There are some (not trying to stereotype but I've seen it first hand many times) ethnic groups that have upwards of 20 "flavors" of family members living under one roof. Should they all be covered? IMO, NO!

So which ethnic groups are unique in having many family members living with them? And what the heck are "flavors?"
 
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JoeEpcotRocks said:
Perhaps companies should consider having benefits (at an appropriate price/deductible) to everyone in the "household," that is, all those living at the same residence.

Wow, thye just busted up a house out here that had like 40+ people living in it! I would hate to be the company that had to pay for that "household" of medical insurance if it worked that way!!
My job does cover same sex living together partners but they also cover significant others of opposite sex..my friend was able to get his live in girlfriend on his health insuarnce at work.
 
swilphil said:
So which ethnic groups are unique in having many family members living with them? And what the heck are "flavors?"

Asian, Hispanic and Middle East.

flavors = all possible relations. Cousins, BIL, MIL, SIL, DM, DS, DD, DGD etc...
 
JoeEpcotRocks said:
To the OP, yes, I would call that discrimination.

To who......hetero shack-ups who can change that arrangement anytime they wish?

Or maybe, Joe has become a convert who now believes the law should be equally applied to all across the sexual orientation board?

Way to go, Joe. Welcome to the dark side. :wave:
 
Charade said:
Asian, Hispanic and Middle East.

flavors = all possible relations. Cousins, BIL, MIL, SIL, DM, DS, DD, DGD etc...

Oh Charade, whatever are we going to do with you?

The nuclear family is already covered under the law. Unfortunately, because of certain laws and certain groups, gay couples are not considered a nuclear family. Their children would be covered, but not the other Mommy or Daddy.

The solution to this perceived discrimination is so simple and staring us in the face. Let gay couples enjoy the same rights enjoyed by hetero couples who decide to "tie the knot". The solution isn't to take away rights, but to extend them to all.

Btw, my dog has 2 Mommies. He originally belonged to my sister, but we ended up with him. Sooo, Duke has 2 Mommies. I don't know why I threw that in. :confused3
 
MizBlu said:
The nuclear family is already covered under the law. Unfortunately, because of certain laws and certain groups, gay couples are not considered a nuclear family. Their children would be covered, but not the other Mommy or Daddy.


extended family is not covered unless they are dependents.

so in charade's example--there were cousins and in-laws. They shouldn't be covered just b/c multiple families co-habitate. Her comments on gay couples was in other posts and not this particular one.

(I'm on the same page with you on the rest though).
 
Lisa loves Pooh said:
Her comments on gay couples was in other posts and not this particular one.

Well, what an interesting turn this thread has taken for Charade! :rotfl2:

I'm sorry, I shouldn't laugh at the irony in a "gay thread", but Charade is a man.
 
MizBlu said:
Well, what an interesting turn this thread has taken for Charade! :rotfl2:

I'm sorry, I shouldn't laugh at the irony in a "gay thread", but Charade is a man.


OOPS :blush:

Sorry charade!

:wave:
 
JoeEpcotRocks said:
Perhaps companies should consider having benefits (at an appropriate price/deductible) to everyone in the "household," that is, all those living at the same residence.

Charade said:
Do you realize how much that would cost? There are some (not trying to stereotype but I've seen it first hand many times) ethnic groups that have upwards of 20 "flavors" of family members living under one roof. Should they all be covered? IMO, NO!
So 20 people living under one roof is the norm?!?! Kind of like your previous suggestion that if gay marriage is made legal, people will start marrying their cars and dogs...riiight.

You are so far deep into your own arguement that I don't even think you actually read what JER stated in his post before dismissing it.

If the company sets up insurance for their employees, at an appropriate/economically feisible price for both the company and the emploee, and the employee is willing to pay their portition of the insurance costs for everyone in his/her household, then why is that so outlandish?

I thought the idea that the more people on your insurance plan meant that insurance rates on the whole will drop and not only benefit each individual family, but everyone insured by that insurance company's policies worldwide.

Then, these people can afford to do their yearly health maintainence i.e. checkups, dental visits, etc. and they stay healthier in the long run. If people don't have insurance, never visit the doctor and get terminally ill, guess who gets to pay their bill in the end? The US taxpayer! And I always thought you were against socialized medicine...
 
you may be punished finacially but youre reward is you get to have a women with you :banana:
 
I can't believe this thread is still open...
 
JoeEpcotRocks said:
Perhaps companies should consider having benefits (at an appropriate price/deductible) to everyone in the "household," that is, all those living at the same residence.

Actually, every company I have worked for, including the one I'm at now, has offered domestic partner benefits, gay or straight, at the cost of the employee. The employee him/herself was always covered 100% or at least subsidized, while he/she could opt to cover their partner/spouse and immediate children if any.
 
In the past this same scenario plagued dh and I also. We were together about 3 years at this time, planned on getting married but were still quite young and were waiting to save up money for the wedding among other things. In the meantime Dh (bf at the time) got a job that allowed the domestic partnership on medical ins. The rules were that you had to have lived together for atleast 1 year and share a bank account, there was also an additional $20 fee he was charged each pay period for my being on the ins. It worked pretty well for us since we fell under the guidelines. It was me who really needed the health care, I have issues that require consistent medical care, blood level testing, medication, access to specialists, etc. My sister also worked at the same company and she was happy with the domestic partnership rules here, this was the first place she could have her girlfriend/partner on her insurance, she really felt like society as a whole was becoming more accepting.

Unfortunately that company closed. Dh took a job at sears until he could find another job in his field. When benefit enrollment time came he jumped at it because we had been without ins. for a while and my out of pocket medical costs were rising, my job didn't offer p/t employees benefits at all at this point. We quickly found out that the only domestic partners sears would allow was for gay men and women (at the time, it may be different now). If you were not of the opposite sex as your partner you were not elgible and this was the only requirement other than having to had lived together for 6 months prior to enrollment (although no proof of this was required).

I have no problem with domestic partnerships (I was in one) but I feel that regardless of sexual orientation of the partners, each partnership should be created equal. It shouldn't be about who is in the partnership, 2 men, 2 women, man and woman, etc. at that point I was a little upset that one partnership was recognized and one was not, both should have been acceptable. I didn't feel like we were punished for not being gay but it was like a kick in the face. I agree that domestic partnership laws do need some tweaking but overall I am glad they are in place more often and at more places of employment these days, I mean geesh, it took long enough to get them implemented at all.

note: We found an outside insurance that allowed domestic partners to the tune of $280 more per month (than if we were allowed to purchase through dh's sears job) but we had no choice so we took it
 
MizBlu said:
I'm sorry, I shouldn't laugh at the irony in a "gay thread", but Charade is a man.


Just ask my new GF!!!
 
Hi everyone,
I am sorry I haven't updated this post. I had to search to page 28 to find it.
I guess I left some stuff out that I should have thought to put in my first post.
The State of CT just passed a law that same sex partners can get their union acknowledged by the state and have a civil ceremony. My place of employment does not cover only those same sex who go through this ceremony, they will cover any same sex couple that say they are living together in a same sex relationship.
My place of employment will not cover me and my "friend" even though we have been together since 1998. I just don't see marriage working for me, mainly because my marriage didn't work out the first time and I am I guess marriage shy. If Richie and I ever split I would take him off my insurance, I am not looking for insurance just because he needs it, we are a couple. If any of you saw what he did for me during my illness last year you would understand, if it wasn't for him I would have never made it through what I weht through, he was always there for me. At one point I was in the hospital and he came to visit every day, for the entire day even though he was not feeling good. On the day I was discharged (New Year's Eve 2004) he was admitted for a massive coronary. He had emergency surgery on NYE and I was there for him the entire time he was in the hospital. The hospital acknowledged our living arrangments and gave me updates without a problem. Normally they would not be allowed to tell me anything about him unless he was my family member or husband. But I digress.
I have my will made up and yes he is not going to get my stuff, but that has been discussed by the two of us. He will get something, but he knows that everything I have worked for will go to my children. He understands completely. He has his will made so that I get everything of his but it has the codicle that I have to take care of his children and see that they get an education. We discussed this when he wrote his will. He knows that his ex wife would take the money and run, and his children would be left out in the cold. With everything going to me he knows that it will go to his children. I love his daughter like she was my own and she feels the same about me. I would make sure she is well taken care of if her dad was no longer here for her. She is 21 now and aware of the will. She has a copy herself. We decided that while she is still living with her mom I will be in charge of the money if her dad dies, but if she gets married or moves out of that home the will l gets re-written. Her brother is only 12 and has many mental problems. I am not as close to him because of his difficulties but I will make sure he gets whatever he needs.
We did the wills together but seperately. He has his belongings that he is leaving to his children. His insurance is in my name but stipulated in the will that I will take care of his children with the money. My belongings will go to my children and my insurance will go to them also.
Richie and I go to WDW together. I go alone alot but he has never gone without me. He doesn't work (disabled) and doesn't have the money to go as often as I do. When he does go he goes with me and I pay for everything, the resort, the plane, the rental car. But he does occaisionally pay for dinner. He can't use his charge card to pay for dinner and get the discount because the discount is in my name. I wind up charging dinner on my card and he pays me back. It would be easier for him to pay for dinner if he had access to the discounts too.
I hope this makes it easier to understand my situation. I still think we should be eliglble for the insurance and I am going to go back to Human Resources and use the Domestic Partner defense. Thanks for that term, it might work. Peggie
 
Ok, 7 pages is a lofty goal - I only made it to page 4.

I agree with the post stating that the OP isn't being punished for not being gay, but rather being punished for not being married.

If you want to set the terms for your estate, perhaps a pre-nup would work?


My sister & I shared an apartment for a couple of years. Obviously we weren't romantically invovled (though when we'd hang out together some people assumed we were a couple, even though a lot of people mistake us for twins), but whenever one of us had a financial problem, the other was effected financially. Should we not have been covered by each others' company?


Some thoughts/questions on the gay marriage/benefits issue though:

- A lot of the gay people I know don't care about not being able to marry, but I don't see the problem with at least a civil union. What's the deal?

- If gay marriage were allowed, how do people that consider themselves bisexual not feel left out in the equation?

- If we consider bisexuals, how does that not open the question of polygomy?

- Does a sex-change render a eligable partner ineligable?

- What about someone that's "pre-op"?
 
This is a perk by employers and businesses that recognize there is a big market to be gained by offering this benefit. How is that not obvious?

Fly all the wild "what if's" but it's pretty easy to define the benefit as signing up ONE person as a domestic partner. It's been done for years, including at the Disney company that we all supposedly love as members of this site.
 

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