Are the Days of Walking a DVC Reservation Numbered?

[AstroBlasters]

What rule? I didn't say anything about a rule- actual or made up. I was talking about the actions and the motivations of a downtrodden group of DVC members who need to be protected from an angry anti-walking mob that you are giving voice to.

Clearly your group is ok with taking something that you don't want from someone else, why can't you just acknowledge it rather than hide behind the whole rule strawman.

The +7 that your referenced.

 

[Genie+]

I just don’t think this is the case for the overwhelming majority of rooms.

Overwhelming majority no, because how many points are in the system that have much less of an issue with demand, like most of SSR’s 14m points, much of OKW/AKV’s 14m points, a good deal of the 1BRs that also account for a large chunk of the system, as well as the higher point seasons that are less competitive. What is leftover is where home priority comes in to play and where walking is making its impact.

 

[Chili327]

Two Facts:
1. Every DVC owner is intended to be on equal footing for home resort booking at 11 months.
2. Because of walking, all owners are not on equal footing at 11 months.

I want every owner to be on equal footing. A walker by definition does not want every owner on equal footing. They want an advantage.

This is a problem that needs fixing, however limited it might be.

how are they not on equal footing? are some owners blocked from walking?

I thought it was the issue of how many points you have, but I’ve been told you only need enough points for 2 days to walk… but it still seems like if someone has booked a week they are way ahead of my 2 days. lol

 

[dvcsince93]

The +7 that your referenced.

Really, you think that I made up the ability to reserve rooms at 11 months +7 days which is the whole reason you can walk...

 

[AstroBlasters]

I have intentions to use it, unless something better is available. Also the new system makes you use actually a LL before you can modify into additional tier one attractions, making sure you aren't booking something that you can just easily toss and upgrade later. You also are limited only 1 per attraction. There are no limits on number of DVC reservations other than your point total. And you can't advance it to a future day that will be harder to book. That is not a very good example.

Almost everything from my perspective is Disneyland based. In October we scanned into the park to activate LL and then turned around to go to a college football game.

By scanning in it allowed us to start to book attraction return times and we could then book additional attractions every 2 hours and modify and stack them for when we returned that night. We of course booked the rides that would be sold out at the end of the night: Indiana Jones, Space Mountain, Big Thunder, etc.

I had absolutely no intention of riding the initial ride time I booked because I wasn’t even in the park. THAT IS THE WAY THE SYSTEM WORKS.

 

[JOLT]

I thought it was the issue of how many points you have, but I’ve been told you only need enough points for 2 days to walk… but it still seems like if someone has booked a week they are way ahead of my 2 days. lol

Technically walking is less work if you have more points since you dont have to modify as often as if you only have 2 days and have to modify your reservation every day.

 

[AstroBlasters]

Overwhelming majority no, because how many points are in the system that have much less of an issue with demand, like most of SSR’s 14m points, much of OKW/AKV’s 14m points, a good deal of the 1BRs that also account for a large chunk of the system, as well as the higher point seasons that are less competitive. What is leftover is where home priority comes in to play and where walking is making its impact.

I really think this overwhelmingly applies to studios with barely any inventory (AK VAL, BW SV, etc) or select resorts during an extremely high demand time of year.

I just don’t believe members are having issues booking 99% of the rooms available at 11m.

 

[AstroBlasters]

Really, you think that I made up the ability to reserve rooms at 11 months +7 days which is the whole reason you can walk...

No, I just didn’t know what your short hand was referencing.

 

[AstroBlasters]

I thought it was the issue of how many points you have, but I’ve been told you only need enough points for 2 days to walk… but it still seems like if someone has booked a week they are way ahead of my 2 days. lol

Having more points will always give an advantage to members with less points. Making the system more restrictive will just amplify that advantage.

 

[Tatebeck]

Almost everything from my perspective is Disneyland based. In October we scanned into the park to activate LL and then turned around to go to a college football game.

By scanning in it allowed us to start to book attraction return times and we could then book additional attractions every 2 hours and modify and stack them for when we returned that night. We of course booked the rides that would be sold out at the end of the night: Indiana Jones, Space Mountain, Big Thunder, etc.

I had absolutely no intention of riding the initial ride time I booked because I wasn’t even in the park. THAT IS THE WAY THE SYSTEM WORKS.

Ah, I haven't used the DL LL system. The recently overhauled the WDW system and it prevents what you are talking about now. Sound like it may still be like the old WDW system

 

[dvcsince93]

Every owner can start booking 11 months out AND the first day of their Use Year if they don’t want the points caught up in bank/borrow. That is equal footing.

No they can't reserve some rooms at 11 months if you started walking reservations months ago and have booked rooms that you are not going to use.

 

[Genie+]

I really think this overwhelmingly applies to just studios with barely any inventory (AK VAL, BW SV, etc) or select resorts during an extremely high demand time of year.

I just don’t believe members are having issues booking 99% of the rooms available at 11m.

If 99% at 11m didn’t have issues why would anybody be walking? There’s evidence of walking through the fall for studios and 2BRs at BW, BC, CCV, BR, RIV, VGF, BLT. Other months on and off. If DVC made no change so be it. I can work with what exists though I’d prefer DVC to pull true home priority back closer to 11 months.

 

[tx911]

how are they not on equal footing? are some owners blocked from walking?

No, but most don't. That's the only reason it works. If you're a walker, you don't want everyone doing it, else it becomes useless. As I've said, if you want to keep walking, great, let's just make sure everyone knows about it and how do it starting with their very first DVC reservation. But I think it's disingenuous to suggest this is how DVC intends for the product to work.

Further, if your statement is true about not being on equal footing it’s equally true if I’m booking 3 weeks. Even though I’m not walking you still don’t have equal footing since I blocked you from even trying those last two weeks.

I understand that there will be times that rooms are unavailable due to people using the system as intended. For example, if you book a 3 week stay that includes my week, or you book a Wednesday to Wednesday that includes half of my week. I have no problem with those scenarios.

 

[Chili327]

Technically walking is less work if you have more points since you dont have to modify as often as if you only have 2 days and have to modify your reservation every day.

If enough people WITH enough points walk the value rooms at AKV, I don’t even get the chance, correct?
It feels like I’m missing something, if walkers have booked 7 days, and I can only book 2 days, how would I ever get the chance to add on at the end of my 2 when they are already booked 7 days ahead?

I really think this overwhelmingly applies to studios with barely any inventory (AK VAL, BW SV, etc) or select resorts during an extremely high demand time of year.

I just don’t believe members are having issues booking 99% of the rooms available at 11m.

100%

 

[Chili327]

If 99% at 11m didn’t have issues why would anybody be walking? There’s evidence of walking through the fall for studios and 2BRs at BW, BC, CCV, BR, RIV, VGF, BLT. Other months on and off. If DVC made no change so be it. I can work with what exists though I’d prefer DVC to pull true home priority back closer to 11 months.

I think the issue is only 1% of the hard to get rooms. Mostly Club and Values?

 

[Tatebeck]

Almost everything from my perspective is Disneyland based. In October we scanned into the park to activate LL and then turned around to go to a college football game.

By scanning in it allowed us to start to book attraction return times and we could then book additional attractions every 2 hours and modify and stack them for when we returned that night. We of course booked the rides that would be sold out at the end of the night: Indiana Jones, Space Mountain, Big Thunder, etc.

I had absolutely no intention of riding the initial ride time I booked because I wasn’t even in the park. THAT IS THE WAY THE SYSTEM WORKS.

And also most importantly, you weren't doing anything outside the rules. That is how the rules are written for the LL system I believe.

If you found a way to book the best times way ahead of the max 7 days ahead (not sure if it's also 7 days at DL) and roll them forward to 7 days of your actual trip, then that would be the best comparison. And it is against the rules and not allowed of course

 

[JOLT]

If enough people WITH enough points walk the value rooms at AKV, I don’t even get the chance, correct?
It feels like I’m missing something, if walkers have booked 7 days, and I can only book 2 days, how would I ever get the chance to add on at the end of my 2 when they are already booked 7 days ahead?



100%

your room is 11+1 so that means 11+2-7 is blocked for you because no one else can get past your 11+1 day to book. so as long as you always stay 11+1 no one (besides Disney) can block you from walking that reservation. You just have to modify it every single day.

When I say Disney can block you some times Disney blocks out rooms for maintenance incase they need to take down a room for any reason.

 

[JOLT]

No, but most don't. That's the only reason it works. If you're a walker, you don't want everyone doing it, else it becomes useless. As I've said, if you want to keep walking, great, let's just make sure everyone knows about it and how do it starting with their very first DVC reservation. But I think it's disingenuous to suggest this is how DVC intends for the product to work.

If Disney had a guide that told you every little in and out of DVC than I can see your point but they dont.

If Disney is that against walking wouldn't they say that its against the rules publicly? It's not very hard for them to single out the walkers.

 

[AstroBlasters]

Ah, I haven't used the DL LL system. The recently overhauled the WDW system and it prevents what you are talking about now. Sound like it may still be like the old WDW system

I believe you are correct.

 

[RuntheMouse]

If 99% at 11m didn’t have issues why would anybody be walking? There’s evidence of walking through the fall for studios and 2BRs at BW, BC, CCV, BR, RIV, VGF, BLT. Other months on and off. If DVC made no change so be it. I can work with what exists though I’d prefer DVC to pull true home priority back closer to 11 months.

As an owner of both BRV and RIV, I agree there is walking other than the value and club level rooms. RIV is constantly being walked and BRV gets walked for the holidays, it’s happening right now.