Are points worth it?

CaryHaven

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I don't really know anything about points or if you rent them or buy them or whatever it's called. I'm not sure all the places you can stay with points. Is WL available? Can someone direct me to a link to explain it and if you've done it, explain if it's worth it? Is it close to the rates you would pay just booking at the hotel? I looked at it a long time ago but don't think I ever fully got it and have forgotten the link.
 
From the DVC board FAQs

Renting a DVC Resort reservation from a DVC Member

DVC Point Rentals
DVC members are expressly allowed to make reservations for others and offer those reservations for rent. The DVC Public Offering Statements for all DVC resorts include specific language allowing the rental of accommodations at DVC Resorts. DVC themselves make reservations using DVC points so allowing Members the same ability was made part of the documentation for all DVC Members.

From a DVC Public Offering Statement delineating the allowance for Member rentals:
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Anyone may rent a DVC Resort accommodation from a DVC Member.
Two ways to have a reservation at a DVC Resort are:

Make a reservation directly with Disney Reservation Center (DRC) just as you would reserve any other Disney resort hotel

OR-

Rent from a Disney Vacation Club (DVC) member.

Available DVC inventory through DRC comes from Members through several avenues – inventory owned by Disney Vacation Club directly, inventory provided to DRC from DVC points used by members from non-DVC reservation options, and from DVC Breakage inventory for DVC villas not reserved by Members 60 days before arrival.

Inventory from a DVC member is available when DVC Members offer to make reservations using points they will not be using themselves. There are a couple of ways to access DVC Members offering to make reservations for others – the DIS DVC Rent/Trade Board provides a ‘classified ad’ resource for DVC Members to offer DVC Resort rentals to others and Rental Brokers will make reservations for others using DVC Member points. It will typically cost less to rent from a DVC member than to book a DVC resort direct from Disney. Potential renters should always have an understanding what a reservation will cost when made through Disney directly before entering into a DVC rental.

When you “rent points from a DVC Member”, the reservation will be in your name and you will check in at the regular Disney Resort arrival desk. You will be treated the same as every Disney Resort Guest and you will have access to almost all of the same amenities and perks afforded to each and every guest staying at a Disney Resort.

If you do decide to rent points from an individual DVC member, there are a few things you should be aware of so that your rental is nothing less than a ‘magical’ experience.


THE RISKS OF "RENTING POINTS"
"Renting Points", as it is commonly referred to, is a misnomer. Only a DVC Member is able to use points from their account to make a reservation at a DVC resort. Non-members (and even other DVC Members) have no means to use points from a DVC Member's account. However, a DVC Member may make a reservation in someone else's name using points from his own account. DVC Members are also allowed to rent those reservation to another person. This is true for both rentals directly from a DVC Member or through a Rental Broker. In both rental options, a DVC Member is using his DVC points to make a reservation for another party. When working directly with a DVC Member, you will deal with the person making (and controlling) that reservation. With a Rental Broker, you will deal only with the Broker even though a Member is the one making the reservation in your name.


Renting a reservation from a DVC Member is a little different than booking directly through Disney
There are differences between renting from a Member or Broker and booking a hotel reservation with Disney. Potential renters should educate themselves on the process of renting points and perform due diligence prior to entering into any agreement to rent points.

These rental transactions are a private transaction between individuals and Disney is not going to be involved in any way. If anything goes wrong or if you have questions about your reservation before arrival, Disney will not provide any assistance.

There is some risk in these types of private transactions especially when dealing with someone you do not personally know.

The risk is that someone else controls your reservation until you check in at the resort, even though it is in your name. It requires some trust that the DVC owner/member will honor your contract with them and remain a 'Member in Good Standing'. DVC Members must be current on mortgage payments and maintenance fees to be in 'Good Standing' which might cause DVC to cancel the reservation from their end.

While cancellation of a rental reservation is a very rare occurrence on our DVC Rent/Trade Board it is something that should not be overlooked. We always suggest Due Diligence in getting to “know” the DVC Member via reviewing their posts on the DIS, direct correspondence with the Member, contacting prior references, conversing via phone and reviewing their ownership online. If a renter is comfortable with the DVC Member after exercising Due Diligence as described above, a transaction can be a very cost effective means to enjoy a Disney vacation at a DVC Resort.

Renting through a DVC rental broker may reduce the risk of losing your money, as some offer full refunds if there is negligence on the part of the owner/member. Using a rental broker may reduce some risk, it does not completely eliminate the possibility and disappointment of arriving without a reservation in place at the resort.

The risk involved is that there is a small chance that the member (with or without a rental broker) you are working with could cancel your reservation before arrival. While this has happened only a few times over the past 19 years using the DIS DVC Rent/Trade Board, it has happened. Most of those failed transactions may have been prevented by using DUE DILIGENCE prior to entering into the rental agreement.

That said, reported instances of failed DVC rentals occurring are extremely rare, and the actual amount of risk is low. Tens of thousands of successful rental transactions have been completed over the years here on the DIS alone and the potential savings renting from a DVC Members can be substantial.

If you are not comfortable accepting any risk then don’t rent a reservation from a DVC Member. Guests who want a risk-free choice should pay more to book directly with Disney rather than renting points. That peace of mind may be worth it to some.

DVC Members have much less flexibility regarding reservations changes and cancellation with these rentals just due to the nature of the DVC program while Disney offers a very friendly cancellation policy compared to renting points. Cancellations and reservation changes could result in potential penalties or even the loss of points for DVC members so they will usually try to protect themselves with limited flexibility with regard to making reservations for others.

With reservations made through DVC Members, all requests will need to go through the DVC Member. The Disney Dining Plan will need to be added through the DVC Member.

Free Dining” is not available through a DVC Member reservation as that program (offered occasionally with reservations made through Disney) requires a package including a full priced room reservation and also Theme Park admission.

DVC Reservations can (and should) be verified using the www.MyDisneyReservation.com/DVCwebsite.

DVC Members (and their guests/renters) will NOT receive daily Housekeeping services. Housekeeping will be on the 4th day of your reservation and will include clean towels and trash removal for stays of 7 days or less –OR- a full cleaning (which includes clean linens, trash removal, replenishing of supplies) on day 4 and a partial clean on day 8 for stays of 8 days or longer. (Arrival day counts as Day 1). Additional housekeeping services may be ordered from the Resort at additional cost.

DVC rental reservations are included in all WDW guest benefits like Disney’s Magical Express, Extra Magic Hours, Theme Park parking and the use of Disney transportation (busses, boats, monorails).



HOW FAR IN ADVANCE SHOULD I LOOK FOR A RENTAL?
DVC anticipates full occupancy year-round at its Resorts. DVC Members are able to reserve at their Home Resort 11 months before arrival and 7 months ahead for non-Home Resorts. We suggest making your reservation as early as you can. If you try to get a reservation less than 7 months in advance, your options may be limited as DVC Members have already had at least 4 months to make reservations at the resort. Reservations within 60 days of arrival can happen but the remaining DVC inventory is also available through DRC at 60 days which will limit reservation success. With most rental transactions, flexibility is not really an option (as with reservations made directly through Disney), so be sure your dates are firm before entering into any agreement.


HOW MUCH WILL IT COST?
When you rent from an individual DVC member, the price you pay might be negotiable but unless the dates are within a few months of the expiration of their points (these are referred to as "distressed" points) most owners may be willing to wait for someone able to work within their price structure.

In many cases, the DVC Member is already motivated to rent their points by making a reservation for someone else. This is especially true if the points were banked from the prior year or if they are already beyond their banking deadline for the current year. For dates within 6 months, availability will be the greatest challenge, so negotiating over a few dollars is counter-productive for everyone as the reservation may not still be available tomorrow.

It would be wise to already know what your dates, resort and villa type would cost if reserved through Disney directly and compare that to any risk involved after the 'Due Diligence' process.

Use the DVC Point Charts to determine total point cost, based on room type, resort, and desired travel dates.



THE DISboards DVC RENT/TRADE BOARD
DISboards.com offers the “DVC Rent/Trade” Board which serves as a “classified ad” service where you can go if you wish to connect with individual DVC members to rent a reservation at a DVC Resort using a DVC Member's points. The DIS is NOT involved in the actual transactions between the parties involved, and has no control over the truth or accuracy of the listings or the abilities of the parties to complete the transactions, and cannot and will not be held responsible for same. The DIS will not intervene in any issues resulting from these private transactions. The DIS does not endorse anyone offering rentals, trades or transfers and all transactions should be viewed as “Buyer Beware”.

Please review the ** How to use this Board**
thread at the top of the Board before posting as there are suggestions included for both potential renters and DVC Members.


USING A DVC RENTAL BROKER

As a potential renter, using a DVC Rental Broker is another option. These services can simplify the rental process.

The downside is that it may cost more than renting direct from a DVC member, since the services of the third party rental broker will be paid from the rental charges.


WILL USING A RENTAL BROKER ELIMINATE ALL RISK?
When using a rental broker, a potential renter can’t do any due diligence, since they will NOT know the name of owner making their reservation. You will work directly with the rental broker who will take care of everything for you. It’s almost like you’re using Disney Reservation Center and booking direct with Disney. Most rental brokers will refund money from a failed transaction and will also work hard to find suitable accommodations for their renters in the event of a rare failed reservation.

Renting DVC points still involves some risk since a renter could find themselves without a reservation when they arrive at the resort. That risk is what creates the opportunity for great potential savings. If a renter wants more protection and stronger assurances, they can pay more and reserve directly with Disney who will offer greater flexibility regarding cancellation.

A rental broker can offer some more protection assurance than a direct rental, but there are still risks – perhaps not losing your money, but of losing your reservation. Regardless, tens of thousands of successful rentals have been transacted using the DIS DVC Rent/Trade board and over the years with very, very few failed transactions.
 
Read the info I copied from the dvc faq's first-it gives you a general run down of renting points from a dvc member. "Buying points" actually means buying a dvc timeshare which I don't think is what you are looking to do

As to your specific questions WL is the main hotel. There are currently no DVC units in it. It is under renovation to include DVC but sales there have not begun and there is no opening date set yet so it cannot be booked until all that happens. There is a second building there near the bus stop which is a DVC resort and can currently be booked with points. It used to be called villas at Wilderness lodge but it recently has been renamed to Boulder Ridge. There is currently construction on property there which can detract from the wilderness atmosphere but that is supposed to finish sometime in 2017.
 
I don't really know anything about points or if you rent them or buy them or whatever it's called. I'm not sure all the places you can stay with points. Is WL available? Can someone direct me to a link to explain it and if you've done it, explain if it's worth it? Is it close to the rates you would pay just booking at the hotel? I looked at it a long time ago but don't think I ever fully got it and have forgotten the link.
Do you want to rent from someone who is a DVC member or are you interested in purchasing into DVC?
 

Assuming that you are renting a stay, an October weeknight costs 15 pts. At dvcrequest.com that would mean paying $240 per night, tax included.

That's typically better than disney's rates but there are tradeoffs - you have to book much earlier in most cases (sometimes at 11 months out for certain resorts and times of year) and you generally cannot get a refund if you have to cancel. Also, DVC studios have the size of a hotel room but generally 1 real bed and 1 pullout sofabed...and you do not get daily housekeeping either.

So it's not for everyone but depending on your situation, it may be worth looking into further.

I have both rented a DVC stay from an owner and later bought in myself (I have owned for about a decade now). I have greatly enjoyed my DVC stays but I did a lot of homework in both cases before jumping in...
 
For me, the cost of many of the deluxe hotels is so expensive that I have a hard time paying it, so we are renting points for the first time for Oct 2017. We are staying a week at the Boardwalk villas in a studio for about $245 a night for our anniversary. It's just DH and I, so the bed space is not a problem. I don't like people in my room so the lack of housekeeping is a good thing for me. I paid with a credit card that provides trip cancellation insurance. I did go through a broker rather than directly with an owner for my first time renting.
 
It may or may not be worth it. If you are ok with no daily housekeeping, and would normally stay at a deluxe, then yes, renting DVC points either from a broker or direct from a member will most likely be worth it. If you normally stay at a value or moderate, then it may or may not be worth it, you really need to run the numbers and see how the costs would break down. IE if you normally stay in a value but plan on getting a 1BR with full kitchen and then doing all breakfasts and dinners in room and making lunch to take with you, then it may still come out in your favor just from food savngs. But if you plan on eating every meal in the parks then probably not.
 
For me no.

We usually travel at high season times and usually like to stay in a two bedroom condo renting from an owner offsite. I looked into renting points to stay in a two bedroom at some of the Disney deluxe properties using DVC points (condo by the Contemporary, condo near Animal Kingdom Lodge, and Wilderness Lodge - not the WL but the nearby condos) rented from an owner. It's a better deai than doing this retail for sure, but is still very expensive and in general ran about triple what I could rent for a two bedroom offsite at say some place like Sheraton Vistana Resort or Cypress Point - because the second bedroom is small there I compared the two bedroom Disney to the three bedroom at Cypress points (cost compariaon) (Offsite condos rented from owner for a week on a site like TUG2.net or Redweek.com). Do note that these Disney properties are at some of Disney's most desirable resorts so is not an Apples to Apples comparison in any way, shape, or form. I also didn't want to compromise on a one bedroom or studio instead of a two bedroom, had to go high season because of school schedule (so wasn't in the position to compromise and stay at a less expensive time), and wanted to stay a whole week (didn't want to compromise on length of stay). These look liked really fun and unique places to stay, but were too rich for my blood and not worth it to me. Do note too, that I find the offsite timeshare places very lovely. They don't have the unique theming and location of the Disney ones I was talking about -- which look super cool, but work for me and my budget and for me are a terrific value in terms of amenities, location, quality, and room for the price.
 
I don't really know anything about points or if you rent them or buy them or whatever it's called. I'm not sure all the places you can stay with points. Is WL available? Can someone direct me to a link to explain it and if you've done it, explain if it's worth it? Is it close to the rates you would pay just booking at the hotel? I looked at it a long time ago but don't think I ever fully got it and have forgotten the link.
Prior to buying DVC, I "rented points" from my brother and I paid him the rate that David's was charging renters. One of the big drawbacks of renting is that you get the urge to purchase DVC.

Once the owner gives you the reservation number, you can add it to MDE and verify that the names, dates and type of unit are correct. The owner can add a dining package for you if you pay them for it at the time that they add it. Tickets, FP+ and ADRs are your own responsibility. You will have all of the advantages that any Disney resort guest has (like EMH, access to the resort's theme pool, ADRs at 180+10, FP+ at 60 days prior to arrival, MBs) but none of the benefits that DVC members have (such as member discounts or events. pool hopping or the Epcot Members' Lounge).

But here are a couple of things that non-owners may not understand about DVC:
  • You're not "renting points". That's a disboards term. You are renting a reservation. The points belong to the DVC member and always will be theirs. The reservation is under their control until the moment that you check in.
  • Those units with low points like BWV std. view and AKV Jambo value studios may not be impossible to get but you are highly unlikely to be able to book the value studio and will be very lucky if you get std. view at BWV. Set your budget to cover the units that cost more points.
  • Demand for DVC rental far exceeds the number of available units and owners willing to use their points for a rental. DVC is designed to be at or near 100% occupancy all year long. That means that owners will be competing with one another for the more popular DVC units at the most popular times of the year.
  • DVC periods of peak demand are not the same as Disney's periods of peak demand. Marathon weekend and Sept. thru December book up quickly.
  • DVC units are not the same as staying in a hotel room. Aside from not getting daily housekeeping, you will not get 2 beds in a studio unless you're staying at OKW. What you get in a studio is a queen bed and a full sleeper sofa. Some studios will also have a Murphy bed that is smaller than a twin bed that will accommodate a 5th person.
  • An owner that is willing to use their points for your reservation has restrictions on their points. Because of the restrictions that we deal with, the likelihood of getting a refund if you change your mind or need to cancel are less than when dealing directly with Disney. If they borrowed points, used banked points that are expiring soon, are past their banking deadline or if you cancel so late that their points go into holding, they aren't likely to give you your money back.
  • Any changes, special room requests or adding the dining plan have to be done through the owner. Dining plans must be paid in full at the time that they are added to the reservation because that's the way that DVC works.
  • You cannot request an upgrade when you get to the resort. With DVC, you get what you paid for. Any upgrades would be charged to the owner (i.e. additional points would be taken from their account).
  • The owner retains control of the reservation, even if you went through a broker like David's. If the owner is behind on paying their mortgage or membership fees, Disney can (and will) cancel reservations that they have made. Even a broker cannot control that.
  • Owners are not magicians. We cannot get you a reservation for a unit when there are none available. We are not likely to "walk" a reservation in order to get you what you want, nor are we likely to add our names to a waitlist to get it for you. Your chances of getting exactly what you want are much greater if you have lined up someone, who owns at the resort that you are interested in booking, at least 11 months in advance of the day you wish to arrive. The probability of success goes down from there.
  • It takes a degree of trust when renting a DVC reservation, but it goes both ways. The renter is trusting the owner to make good on their promise to keep the reservation in good standing for the renter. The renter is trusting that the DVC owner will not cancel the reservation and run off with their money. OTOH, the owner is trusting that the renter will pay in full according to the terms that they set forth in the contract. They are also trusting that the renter will not damage the property or otherwise run up a bill that the owner gets stuck paying.
  • When you rent a DVC reservation, Disney is not involved in the transaction at all. They will not make good if something goes wrong and you show up at the resort without a room in your name. Sometimes, it's not even the owner's doing. There is a recent thread on the DVC Member Services forum concerning an owner's reservation that was canceled by DVC for no apparent reason. This happened to be a reservation for themselves but it could just as easily have been a reservation for a friend, family member or a renter. The reservation cannot be re-booked because the unit went to the next person on the waitlist. It can happen. You'd get your money back in a case like that but you would be without a reservation and Disney won't do anything to help you other than to book a room for you at the prevailing rate for whatever is available.
  • A DVC studio unit can be less expensive than booking a standard Value Resort hotel room thru Disney, but there are times when going thru Disney for a room will be cheaper with a discount. With the rising cost of Membership Fees, renting a DVC reservation is going to become more expensive as well. Members are not looking to give someone else a cheap vacation. If they are not using their points for their own reservation, they want to at least recover the dues that they paid on those points.
I'm not trying to scare you off. I just want you to be informed about the way these rentals work so that you can go into it with open eyes. Too many people look at the price calculators on the brokers' websites and think that the units are available and just waiting for them to be booked by the next lucky renter. It's much more complicated than that.
 
Prior to buying DVC, I "rented points" from my brother and I paid him the rate that David's was charging renters. One of the big drawbacks of renting is that you get the urge to purchase DVC.

Once the owner gives you the reservation number, you can add it to MDE and verify that the names, dates and type of unit are correct. The owner can add a dining package for you if you pay them for it at the time that they add it. Tickets, FP+ and ADRs are your own responsibility. You will have all of the advantages that any Disney resort guest has (like EMH, access to the resort's theme pool, ADRs at 180+10, FP+ at 60 days prior to arrival, MBs) but none of the benefits that DVC members have (such as member discounts or events. pool hopping or the Epcot Members' Lounge).

But here are a couple of things that non-owners may not understand about DVC:
  • You're not "renting points". That's a disboards term. You are renting a reservation. The points belong to the DVC member and always will be theirs. The reservation is under their control until the moment that you check in.
  • Those units with low points like BWV std. view and AKV Jambo value studios may not be impossible to get but you are highly unlikely to be able to book the value studio and will be very lucky if you get std. view at BWV. Set your budget to cover the units that cost more points.
  • Demand for DVC rental far exceeds the number of available units and owners willing to use their points for a rental. DVC is designed to be at or near 100% occupancy all year long. That means that owners will be competing with one another for the more popular DVC units at the most popular times of the year.
  • DVC periods of peak demand are not the same as Disney's periods of peak demand. Marathon weekend and Sept. thru December book up quickly.
  • DVC units are not the same as staying in a hotel room. Aside from not getting daily housekeeping, you will not get 2 beds in a studio unless you're staying at OKW. What you get in a studio is a queen bed and a full sleeper sofa. Some studios will also have a Murphy bed that is smaller than a twin bed that will accommodate a 5th person.
  • An owner that is willing to use their points for your reservation has restrictions on their points. Because of the restrictions that we deal with, the likelihood of getting a refund if you change your mind or need to cancel are less than when dealing directly with Disney. If they borrowed points, used banked points that are expiring soon, are past their banking deadline or if you cancel so late that their points go into holding, they aren't likely to give you your money back.
  • Any changes, special room requests or adding the dining plan have to be done through the owner. Dining plans must be paid in full at the time that they are added to the reservation because that's the way that DVC works.
  • You cannot request an upgrade when you get to the resort. With DVC, you get what you paid for. Any upgrades would be charged to the owner (i.e. additional points would be taken from their account).
  • The owner retains control of the reservation, even if you went through a broker like David's. If the owner is behind on paying their mortgage or membership fees, Disney can (and will) cancel reservations that they have made. Even a broker cannot control that.
  • Owners are not magicians. We cannot get you a reservation for a unit when there are none available. We are not likely to "walk" a reservation in order to get you what you want, nor are we likely to add our names to a waitlist to get it for you. Your chances of getting exactly what you want are much greater if you have lined up someone, who owns at the resort that you are interested in booking, at least 11 months in advance of the day you wish to arrive. The probability of success goes down from there.
  • It takes a degree of trust when renting a DVC reservation, but it goes both ways. The renter is trusting the owner to make good on their promise to keep the reservation in good standing for the renter. The renter is trusting that the DVC owner will not cancel the reservation and run off with their money. OTOH, the owner is trusting that the renter will pay in full according to the terms that they set forth in the contract. They are also trusting that the renter will not damage the property or otherwise run up a bill that the owner gets stuck paying.
  • When you rent a DVC reservation, Disney is not involved in the transaction at all. They will not make good if something goes wrong and you show up at the resort without a room in your name. Sometimes, it's not even the owner's doing. There is a recent thread on the DVC Member Services forum concerning an owner's reservation that was canceled by DVC for no apparent reason. This happened to be a reservation for themselves but it could just as easily have been a reservation for a friend, family member or a renter. The reservation cannot be re-booked because the unit went to the next person on the waitlist. It can happen. You'd get your money back in a case like that but you would be without a reservation and Disney won't do anything to help you other than to book a room for you at the prevailing rate for whatever is available.
  • A DVC studio unit can be less expensive than booking a standard Value Resort hotel room thru Disney, but there are times when going thru Disney for a room will be cheaper with a discount. With the rising cost of Membership Fees, renting a DVC reservation is going to become more expensive as well. Members are not looking to give someone else a cheap vacation. If they are not using their points for their own reservation, they want to at least recover the dues that they paid on those points.
I'm not trying to scare you off. I just want you to be informed about the way these rentals work so that you can go into it with open eyes. Too many people look at the price calculators on the brokers' websites and think that the units are available and just waiting for them to be booked by the next lucky renter. It's much more complicated than that.
Thank you for your thorough reply! I have been working double shifts and haven't had a chance to send a proper reply but wanted you to know I am thoroughly mulling over this information, trying to decide what to do. Fortunately, we are going in a few weeks and don't need any The reservation for at least a year so I do have some time. Just wondering if it's worth it for us in the long run. Thank you again :-)
 
Do you want to rent from someone who is a DVC member or are you interested in purchasing into DVC?
Definitely rent. I don't think I'm ready nor may I ever be, to buy. Seems like a lot of work honestly but I am willing to look into at least renting.
 
For me no.

We usually travel at high season times and usually like to stay in a two bedroom condo renting from an owner offsite. I looked into renting points to stay in a two bedroom at some of the Disney deluxe properties using DVC points (condo by the Contemporary, condo near Animal Kingdom Lodge, and Wilderness Lodge - not the WL but the nearby condos) rented from an owner. It's a better deai than doing this retail for sure, but is still very expensive and in general ran about triple what I could rent for a two bedroom offsite at say some place like Sheraton Vistana Resort or Cypress Point - because the second bedroom is small there I compared the two bedroom Disney to the three bedroom at Cypress points (cost compariaon) (Offsite condos rented from owner for a week on a site like TUG2.net or Redweek.com). Do note that these Disney properties are at some of Disney's most desirable resorts so is not an Apples to Apples comparison in any way, shape, or form. I also didn't want to compromise on a one bedroom or studio instead of a two bedroom, had to go high season because of school schedule (so wasn't in the position to compromise and stay at a less expensive time), and wanted to stay a whole week (didn't want to compromise on length of stay). These look liked really fun and unique places to stay, but were too rich for my blood and not worth it to me. Do note too, that I find the offsite timeshare places very lovely. They don't have the unique theming and location of the Disney ones I was talking about -- which look super cool, but work for me and my budget and for me are a terrific value in terms of amenities, location, quality, and room for the price.
Thank you for those links! I will look into those as well. I am fine with going offsite, it's just my husband needs a little convincing. But if it means saving more and maybe having a longer vacation because of it, I'm sure he would agree to it.
 
For me, the cost of many of the deluxe hotels is so expensive that I have a hard time paying it, so we are renting points for the first time for Oct 2017. We are staying a week at the Boardwalk villas in a studio for about $245 a night for our anniversary. It's just DH and I, so the bed space is not a problem. I don't like people in my room so the lack of housekeeping is a good thing for me. I paid with a credit card that provides trip cancellation insurance. I did go through a broker rather than directly with an owner for my first time renting.
Thank you! I appreciate the price example, and the advice to use a broker perhaps the first time.
 
When I read the title of this thread I thought you meant are punishment points from the dis worth it for posting a snarky comment lol.
Lol I try to avoid all the drama… Although there were a few times I had plenty to say ;-)
 
From the DVC board FAQs

Renting a DVC Resort reservation from a DVC Member

DVC Point Rentals
DVC members are expressly allowed to make reservations for others and offer those reservations for rent. The DVC Public Offering Statements for all DVC resorts include specific language allowing the rental of accommodations at DVC Resorts. DVC themselves make reservations using DVC points so allowing Members the same ability was made part of the documentation for all DVC Members.

From a DVC Public Offering Statement delineating the allowance for Member rentals:
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Anyone may rent a DVC Resort accommodation from a DVC Member.
Two ways to have a reservation at a DVC Resort are:

Make a reservation directly with Disney Reservation Center (DRC) just as you would reserve any other Disney resort hotel

OR-

Rent from a Disney Vacation Club (DVC) member.

Available DVC inventory through DRC comes from Members through several avenues – inventory owned by Disney Vacation Club directly, inventory provided to DRC from DVC points used by members from non-DVC reservation options, and from DVC Breakage inventory for DVC villas not reserved by Members 60 days before arrival.

Inventory from a DVC member is available when DVC Members offer to make reservations using points they will not be using themselves. There are a couple of ways to access DVC Members offering to make reservations for others – the DIS DVC Rent/Trade Board provides a ‘classified ad’ resource for DVC Members to offer DVC Resort rentals to others and Rental Brokers will make reservations for others using DVC Member points. It will typically cost less to rent from a DVC member than to book a DVC resort direct from Disney. Potential renters should always have an understanding what a reservation will cost when made through Disney directly before entering into a DVC rental.

When you “rent points from a DVC Member”, the reservation will be in your name and you will check in at the regular Disney Resort arrival desk. You will be treated the same as every Disney Resort Guest and you will have access to almost all of the same amenities and perks afforded to each and every guest staying at a Disney Resort.

If you do decide to rent points from an individual DVC member, there are a few things you should be aware of so that your rental is nothing less than a ‘magical’ experience.


THE RISKS OF "RENTING POINTS"
"Renting Points", as it is commonly referred to, is a misnomer. Only a DVC Member is able to use points from their account to make a reservation at a DVC resort. Non-members (and even other DVC Members) have no means to use points from a DVC Member's account. However, a DVC Member may make a reservation in someone else's name using points from his own account. DVC Members are also allowed to rent those reservation to another person. This is true for both rentals directly from a DVC Member or through a Rental Broker. In both rental options, a DVC Member is using his DVC points to make a reservation for another party. When working directly with a DVC Member, you will deal with the person making (and controlling) that reservation. With a Rental Broker, you will deal only with the Broker even though a Member is the one making the reservation in your name.


Renting a reservation from a DVC Member is a little different than booking directly through Disney
There are differences between renting from a Member or Broker and booking a hotel reservation with Disney. Potential renters should educate themselves on the process of renting points and perform due diligence prior to entering into any agreement to rent points.

These rental transactions are a private transaction between individuals and Disney is not going to be involved in any way. If anything goes wrong or if you have questions about your reservation before arrival, Disney will not provide any assistance.

There is some risk in these types of private transactions especially when dealing with someone you do not personally know.

The risk is that someone else controls your reservation until you check in at the resort, even though it is in your name. It requires some trust that the DVC owner/member will honor your contract with them and remain a 'Member in Good Standing'. DVC Members must be current on mortgage payments and maintenance fees to be in 'Good Standing' which might cause DVC to cancel the reservation from their end.

While cancellation of a rental reservation is a very rare occurrence on our DVC Rent/Trade Board it is something that should not be overlooked. We always suggest Due Diligence in getting to “know” the DVC Member via reviewing their posts on the DIS, direct correspondence with the Member, contacting prior references, conversing via phone and reviewing their ownership online. If a renter is comfortable with the DVC Member after exercising Due Diligence as described above, a transaction can be a very cost effective means to enjoy a Disney vacation at a DVC Resort.

Renting through a DVC rental broker may reduce the risk of losing your money, as some offer full refunds if there is negligence on the part of the owner/member. Using a rental broker may reduce some risk, it does not completely eliminate the possibility and disappointment of arriving without a reservation in place at the resort.

The risk involved is that there is a small chance that the member (with or without a rental broker) you are working with could cancel your reservation before arrival. While this has happened only a few times over the past 19 years using the DIS DVC Rent/Trade Board, it has happened. Most of those failed transactions may have been prevented by using DUE DILIGENCE prior to entering into the rental agreement.

That said, reported instances of failed DVC rentals occurring are extremely rare, and the actual amount of risk is low. Tens of thousands of successful rental transactions have been completed over the years here on the DIS alone and the potential savings renting from a DVC Members can be substantial.

If you are not comfortable accepting any risk then don’t rent a reservation from a DVC Member. Guests who want a risk-free choice should pay more to book directly with Disney rather than renting points. That peace of mind may be worth it to some.

DVC Members have much less flexibility regarding reservations changes and cancellation with these rentals just due to the nature of the DVC program while Disney offers a very friendly cancellation policy compared to renting points. Cancellations and reservation changes could result in potential penalties or even the loss of points for DVC members so they will usually try to protect themselves with limited flexibility with regard to making reservations for others.

With reservations made through DVC Members, all requests will need to go through the DVC Member. The Disney Dining Plan will need to be added through the DVC Member.

Free Dining” is not available through a DVC Member reservation as that program (offered occasionally with reservations made through Disney) requires a package including a full priced room reservation and also Theme Park admission.

DVC Reservations can (and should) be verified using the www.MyDisneyReservation.com/DVCwebsite.

DVC Members (and their guests/renters) will NOT receive daily Housekeeping services. Housekeeping will be on the 4th day of your reservation and will include clean towels and trash removal for stays of 7 days or less –OR- a full cleaning (which includes clean linens, trash removal, replenishing of supplies) on day 4 and a partial clean on day 8 for stays of 8 days or longer. (Arrival day counts as Day 1). Additional housekeeping services may be ordered from the Resort at additional cost.

DVC rental reservations are included in all WDW guest benefits like Disney’s Magical Express, Extra Magic Hours, Theme Park parking and the use of Disney transportation (busses, boats, monorails).



HOW FAR IN ADVANCE SHOULD I LOOK FOR A RENTAL?
DVC anticipates full occupancy year-round at its Resorts. DVC Members are able to reserve at their Home Resort 11 months before arrival and 7 months ahead for non-Home Resorts. We suggest making your reservation as early as you can. If you try to get a reservation less than 7 months in advance, your options may be limited as DVC Members have already had at least 4 months to make reservations at the resort. Reservations within 60 days of arrival can happen but the remaining DVC inventory is also available through DRC at 60 days which will limit reservation success. With most rental transactions, flexibility is not really an option (as with reservations made directly through Disney), so be sure your dates are firm before entering into any agreement.


HOW MUCH WILL IT COST?
When you rent from an individual DVC member, the price you pay might be negotiable but unless the dates are within a few months of the expiration of their points (these are referred to as "distressed" points) most owners may be willing to wait for someone able to work within their price structure.

In many cases, the DVC Member is already motivated to rent their points by making a reservation for someone else. This is especially true if the points were banked from the prior year or if they are already beyond their banking deadline for the current year. For dates within 6 months, availability will be the greatest challenge, so negotiating over a few dollars is counter-productive for everyone as the reservation may not still be available tomorrow.

It would be wise to already know what your dates, resort and villa type would cost if reserved through Disney directly and compare that to any risk involved after the 'Due Diligence' process.

Use the DVC Point Charts to determine total point cost, based on room type, resort, and desired travel dates.



THE DISboards DVC RENT/TRADE BOARD
DISboards.com offers the “DVC Rent/Trade” Board which serves as a “classified ad” service where you can go if you wish to connect with individual DVC members to rent a reservation at a DVC Resort using a DVC Member's points. The DIS is NOT involved in the actual transactions between the parties involved, and has no control over the truth or accuracy of the listings or the abilities of the parties to complete the transactions, and cannot and will not be held responsible for same. The DIS will not intervene in any issues resulting from these private transactions. The DIS does not endorse anyone offering rentals, trades or transfers and all transactions should be viewed as “Buyer Beware”.

Please review the ** How to use this Board**
thread at the top of the Board before posting as there are suggestions included for both potential renters and DVC Members.


USING A DVC RENTAL BROKER

As a potential renter, using a DVC Rental Broker is another option. These services can simplify the rental process.

The downside is that it may cost more than renting direct from a DVC member, since the services of the third party rental broker will be paid from the rental charges.


WILL USING A RENTAL BROKER ELIMINATE ALL RISK?
When using a rental broker, a potential renter can’t do any due diligence, since they will NOT know the name of owner making their reservation. You will work directly with the rental broker who will take care of everything for you. It’s almost like you’re using Disney Reservation Center and booking direct with Disney. Most rental brokers will refund money from a failed transaction and will also work hard to find suitable accommodations for their renters in the event of a rare failed reservation.

Renting DVC points still involves some risk since a renter could find themselves without a reservation when they arrive at the resort. That risk is what creates the opportunity for great potential savings. If a renter wants more protection and stronger assurances, they can pay more and reserve directly with Disney who will offer greater flexibility regarding cancellation.

A rental broker can offer some more protection assurance than a direct rental, but there are still risks – perhaps not losing your money, but of losing your reservation. Regardless, tens of thousands of successful rentals have been transacted using the DIS DVC Rent/Trade board and over the years with very, very few failed transactions.
Thank you! I knew there was a board around here, but I somehow must've just overlooked it… Can't believe I did that :-)
 
We trade in through a timeshare with RCI. Sometimes we stay at a Disney Resort and sometimes we stay offsite. As much as I love staying at Disney Resorts, I'm pretty happy staying at Wyndham Bonnet Creek. It's not a Disney property, but it's within Disney's gates next to CBR. The rooms are much larger, unless you are staying at OKW then they are comparable. The grounds are very nice and I love the main pool's lazy river. I would always rent a car staying here, but price wise you still come out ahead.

To me it depends on how important free transportation, early FP+ booking windows, free parking, EMHs, and staying at a resort "in the magic" is to you and your husband.

For us it's easier to book at WBC and we can normally stay in a larger unit than we would be able to with DVC. It also uses less points. Due to the size and makeup of our traveling party I highly value being able to stay in a two bedroom.
 
Definitely rent. I don't think I'm ready nor may I ever be, to buy. Seems like a lot of work honestly but I am willing to look into at least renting.
I'm a DVC member but I couldn't tell you how to go about renting from a member. I have read, like other posts have mentioned, about David's rentals. You may want to look into that. Do your research, crunch the numbers. Maybe at least try it once? You'll never know if you like it or if it's for you unless you try.
 
We trade in through a timeshare with RCI. Sometimes we stay at a Disney Resort and sometimes we stay offsite. As much as I love staying at Disney Resorts, I'm pretty happy staying at Wyndham Bonnet Creek. It's not a Disney property, but it's within Disney's gates next to CBR. The rooms are much larger, unless you are staying at OKW then they are comparable. The grounds are very nice and I love the main pool's lazy river. I would always rent a car staying here, but price wise you still come out ahead.

To me it depends on how important free transportation, early FP+ booking windows, free parking, EMHs, and staying at a resort "in the magic" is to you and your husband.

For us it's easier to book at WBC and we can normally stay in a larger unit than we would be able to with DVC. It also uses less points. Due to the size and makeup of our traveling party I highly value being able to stay in a two bedroom.

We are in a 2bd at WBC in April just after Easter. I rented through vacation strategy. We normally stay in a 1bd bwv std or a poly std studio in early December. April is peak season, especially the days around Easter!

The deal at WBC for a 2bd was too good to pass up, and is the same price as a bwv std studio maint fees!

Normally the fast pass priorities is a huge deal for us. However, this April we are envisioning a relaxing vacation with maybe a park day or two, but nothing commando. As a result, being off property works for us in this instance.

How is WBC, btw?! It will be our first time staying off property since 2010 (a hotel by downtown Disney), so we are a little nervous!
 
We are in a 2bd at WBC in April just after Easter. I rented through vacation strategy. We normally stay in a 1bd bwv std or a poly std studio in early December. April is peak season, especially the days around Easter!

How is WBC, btw?! It will be our first time staying off property since 2010 (a hotel by downtown Disney), so we are a little nervous!

FYI: there is a "we love WBC" thread on the offsite board:

http://www.disboards.com/threads/the-we-loooooove-bonnet-creek-thread-part-4.3366139/page-113
 














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