Are our security fears getting the best of us?

ftwildernessrick

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I know there have been a lot of threads & concerns on issues of security at the Fort lately and I think those fears are getting the better of some. Sure, there has been some scattered thefts around the Fort over the years, but out of how many thousands of guests that stay there.

In the 50+ vacations we have had there, I have never had anything taken or bothered.

Thieves usually fall into two categories, one is the thief of opportunity. He sees something laying around, has no conscious, he wants it & he takes it. Out of sight & out of mind is the best deterent for him.
The other is the type who is going to get what he wants & is going to get it, no matter if you have a motorhome or a tent. Where he has to park or how he has to get in is just part of the inconvenience of doing his business.

Sure, I lock my bicycles at night or at the boat dock & lock my camper when we leave, but I am not going to put chairs, tables, ice chests, lanterns, or anything else up for fear of it being taken, especially at the Fort.

The best protection against thieves is to know your neighbors. Chat with them a bit (hey, we are all campers & love to talk). That way if you see someone snooping around their campsite and you know that person does not belong there, you can call security to have them checked out and your neighbor can do the same for you.

And that goes for any issue that needs to be brought to the attention of security. They can't be everywhere at once, and they don't know who is supposed to be there or not. We can best serve ourselves by simply calling them if something suspicious is going on and do it when it happens, not think about it and call them 30 minutes or 3 days later.

We have all complained about the golf carts being operated negligiently or under age kids driving them. People have come in off of Fort & probably WDW property to use the beach, pool, campfire program, etc.. If you suspect it, report it. All security has to do is to walk up to them, inquire where they are staying and take what ever action is necessary based upon that.

But also remember, that if they check you out, for what ever reason, they are just doing their job, take no offense to it, and thank them for doing their job.
 
Rick I think you are right on.

The Security at the Fort is much, much better than you find in many State Parks especially in the last few years with all the budget cut-backs or even at some private CG's (especially after 9/10 pm).

A very good example of "NO SECUIRTY" is the KY Horse Park in Lexington. There is no one on the front gate and you check in at the store in the middle of the park. Anybody can drive in right off the Expressway and be gone in a flash. It's been that way for at least the last 4 years.

During Halloween, many of the State Parks also do nothing to stop "the neighbors" from coming in for the freebies.

We've been RVing for 38 years and the only thing that has disappeared were a few cans of beer and soft drinks from a cooler left by the Picnic table.

As to locking things up, it only keeps an "Honest person honest". JMHO as well.
 
Rick,

Thanks for the reminder, it really helps to put things back into perspective. Vigilance is still the key. It's time to put my concerns aside, while maintaining reasonable precautions, and to enjoy the Disney experience to the fullest as I have in the past! :dance3:

Wow, it's amazing how much better I feel after saying that...try it, you'll like it!
 

I can't believe they blanked that out. Is moobytrapping better?
 
I may be a little naive about WDW and FW, but I have always felt safe there. We take the precautions there as we take other places we RV by always locking our doors. I will admit to not locking the bikes at our site, but we do if we leave them at the beach for any length of time. We leave all our stuff out and believe me when I say DH travels with a bunch of stuff. I have no problem with being in a park late at night by myself or riding my bike at FW after the fireworks. We even walked from MK to the Contemporary late one night during December because DH wanted pictures of the big mouse head on the window. I commented on how safe I felt. I’m sure it’s the magic of the place and there are bad things that happen there, but I want to keep a little bit of the magic and think I’m a little safer. That and bring a big gun.:rotfl2:
 
Well said ftwildernessrick! I've been going to the fort since the 70's and have never (knock on wood) have had anything stolen, or messed with. I feel 100% safer there than many other campgrounds that I have been to. I am always amazed at the amount of people (guests and CM's included) they put through that resort, and don't have more thefts, accidents.....etc.
A few "bad apples" will never ruin my vacation, or keep me away from the fort. I like to believe that most of the campers are friendly, honest people.
 
I know there have been a lot of threads & concerns on issues of security at the Fort lately and I think those fears are getting the better of some. Sure, there has been some scattered thefts around the Fort over the years, but out of how many thousands of guests that stay there.

In the 50+ vacations we have had there, I have never had anything taken or bothered.

Thieves usually fall into two categories, one is the thief of opportunity. He sees something laying around, has no conscious, he wants it & he takes it. Out of sight & out of mind is the best deterent for him.
The other is the type who is going to get what he wants & is going to get it, no matter if you have a motorhome or a tent. Where he has to park or how he has to get in is just part of the inconvenience of doing his business.

Sure, I lock my bicycles at night or at the boat dock & lock my camper when we leave, but I am not going to put chairs, tables, ice chests, lanterns, or anything else up for fear of it being taken, especially at the Fort.

The best protection against thieves is to know your neighbors. Chat with them a bit (hey, we are all campers & love to talk). That way if you see someone snooping around their campsite and you know that person does not belong there, you can call security to have them checked out and your neighbor can do the same for you.

And that goes for any issue that needs to be brought to the attention of security. They can't be everywhere at once, and they don't know who is supposed to be there or not. We can best serve ourselves by simply calling them if something suspicious is going on and do it when it happens, not think about it and call them 30 minutes or 3 days later.

We have all complained about the golf carts being operated negligiently or under age kids driving them. People have come in off of Fort & probably WDW property to use the beach, pool, campfire program, etc.. If you suspect it, report it. All security has to do is to walk up to them, inquire where they are staying and take what ever action is necessary based upon that.

But also remember, that if they check you out, for what ever reason, they are just doing their job, take no offense to it, and thank them for doing their job.

In general you are probably right, but with that said and now it's not a concern of mine since our sons age 37 and 32 are far beyond being watched, but I just don't think it's a great idea to have non FW campers driving around inside the Fort not so much from a security point of property, but for the younger ones out and about. As FW campers most with families we are more tuned into that than just you average Joe. We often walk our dogs around our loop and I can't count the number of times I have seen the youngin's dart out into the road oblivious to anything around them. As FW campers we are aware of these issues, but those having no clue might not be. The death of that child on the bike that swerved out and hit a FW bus and was run over and for the most part IMHO the bus drivers are fairly careful, but not 100% is just one example.

As far as physical security, why make it any easier than it already is for those up to no good to gain access to the sites with a vehicle at all hours.

Both these issues IMHO are easily addressed and I'm at a loss why Disney has done what they have. I have a feeling it's someone just not being sensitive to camping like some of the designers of RVs doing things that make no sense from an RVer's view.

As Jen alluded to common sense goes a long way and it seems the Disney Powers to Be have lost some of that as it relates to who they are serving ... us or their job/bottom line.

Larry
 
Larry - Well said!:thumbsup2

:worship: See every once in a while an Old Grump / Curmudgeon like me might say something that makes sense to others ... not often but hey you gotta take what I can give:rotfl2:

Larry
 
Larry - Well said!:thumbsup2

:surfweb: gotta give credit where credit is due. :)



:worship: See every once in a while an Old Grump / Curmudgeon like me might say something that makes sense to others ... not often but hey you gotta take what I can give:rotfl2:

Larry

Aww..:hug:Larry, that was...well, almost nice.

Hey..watch out..:eek: talk like that can ruin your street cred.



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The death of that child on the bike that swerved out and hit a FW bus and was run over and for the most part IMHO the bus drivers are fairly careful, but not 100% is just one example.

Am I the only one that can't understand that? :confused3
 














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