AP's to get 20 FP+ per quarter

Whether it is or isn't, irregardless, we'll have to live with whatever system it turns into.

FP or FP+, random or scheduled, it's still gonna be WDW, and I'll adapt/adopt to match my touring style (or vice versa) and I'll still have a great time!

Thanks for all the different (and differing) points of view!

popcorn::

:thumbsup2

Whether I agree/disagree with it, like it or don't like it, I'll try to make it work best for me!
 
bauer1168 said:
I think the main reason they would hoard the FP's was because Disney didn't really enforce the time(s) you had to return in the past. Therefore, it helped their way of touring the parks.

I don't see it as abuse, just a case of doing your research and asking cms if they could return after the printed time, if the cm said it was ok, or would let you through, that's fine. If you don't ask, you'll never know.

Only 3 ways I can think of that one MAY be able to abuse the FASTPASS system.

1. I have read that the FP kiosks themselves have a button at the back of them that, when/if there is a problem with accepting someones card, a cm could press this button on the back and it would distribute a FP for that guest. If one was to look for an unoccupied kiosk or see a cm distracted at another kiosk, one could simply press this button at the back as much as they'd like and it would spit out FP's (again, only read about that, have no other proof so it could be a load of rubbish).

2. The cm who you give your FP to inside the queue area just takes the FP off you without looking at it. You could have a legitimate FP for say, Buzz Lightyear from 1pm-2pm that day, and take with you weeks/months/years of old, unused FP's for different attractions. Use the Legitmate FP to show the cm at the the entrance to the FP queue, then give the second cm one of your old unused FP's. Do it twice, wait for the cms to rotate and repeat.
I have never, nor would I ever do this, my apologies if I offended anyone with this point. It is merely to try and put my point across about the difference between abuse of the FP system and knowing how it works and using it to its fullest, whilst following Disney's rules/terms.

3. People printing off their own copies and selling them on eBAY.

Those 3 points to me, are FP abuse

If you are looking forward to FP+ then that is fine, and I totally and fully respect anyone who thinks that.
My worry is, as I have made in other posts, is that you make your booking for MSEP one night, and then it is cancelled due to the weather. That to me, is a wasted FP+ right there. I'm sure Disney will compensate by offering a FP+ for another attraction whilst the park is still open, but for some, they may feel that's not good enough.

What if you want to change your FP+ reservation due to a reason, you go try to log onto the disney app/website and it is experiencing 'technical difficulties', or the battery in your phone dies?

Again, i'm not attacking anyone with this comment, I appreciate and respect anyone who disagrees with me on this. I've found this thread to be a great discussion which has been done on peaceful terms:goodvibes

Agree.

As for your three forms of abuse:

1. I understand this was once the case, but hasn't been possible for a few years now.

2. Depends on how thorough the individual CMs are with checking. I've seen lots of both.

3. Clearly underhanded.
 
Agree.

As for your three forms of abuse:

1. I understand this was once the case, but hasn't been possible for a few years now.

2. Depends on how thorough the individual CMs are with checking. I've seen lots of both.

3. Clearly underhanded.

And the new, RFID-based system will apparently eliminate all three of these options.
 

larryz said:
And the new, RFID-based system will apparently eliminate all three of these options.

Very true, I take my hat off to you sir :)
I did an article on inside the magic where it mentions security with this new addition and that is a known issue. However, I think it would be hard to fall victim to it
 
And i think we can all agree that prior to Disney cracking down on the all "Tricks" - including returning late - people claimed up and down they were legitimately using the system and doing nothing outside the expectations because Disney "allowed" their behavior.

Which is essentially the same argument against getting fewer FP and being spread out to other attractionr ather than using FP 3x for an E-ticket. "But Disney allowed it.."

Disney allowed it because sometimes they don't see past the end of their own nose. They didn't expect that sort of usage and after years of researching and tracking it has come to a point where they can do something about it and are choosing to do something about it.
 
And for the record for those who like to villainize me on these forums..

I didn't have to say anything about the proposed distribution of FP+ for APs. I just happened to bring it up before it was rolled out - to the largest forum Disney watches and monitors for public opinion on their resort. I could post it to my blog and or just make it a random tweet or make a joke about it on facebook for my fans.

No, I brought it here and encouraged folks to discuss it. Where, ya know, it'll be seen.
 
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I consider myself an "average" AP holder as I pretty much visit the parks when there is a runDisney race, Star Wars Weekend, and maybe two or three other random day trips with friends. I stay on site 3-4 times a year for races, but otherwise, I just grab a friend in the morning and head out. I will be honest - I am skeptical of FP+ mostly because of the possibility of AP holders being shut out. I am not a morning person, and on day trips, we arrive at the parks around 10-11 and stay late. So as it is now, we are usually able to grab one of the last fast paces for the big rides, but if they are limited due to FP+, I can just wave goodbye to TSM. However...

1. I have to wonder if giving AP holders too many FP+ would cause issues with non used fast passes. I know, for myself, once ADRs had to booked so far in advance, I would often make an ADR for days like my birthday just in case I was able to go. I may do the same thing and book for 2 different Star Wars Weekends, not knowing which we would be attending. Or perhaps a Saturday and a Sunday not knowing which we would do. Would I end up doing the same with FP+? I'll be honest. I likely would. Of course, I always cancel any ADRs we don't need as soon as we find out the exact days, so hopefully we could do that with FP+ as well.

2. The idea of having 20 FP+, for me, is actually more appealing that regular FP. I am not a roller coaster girl. I will not go on anything worse than BTMRR. So if I am going to Epcot, I only need FP for Test Track and Soarin. HS only needs TSM. MK only needs BTMRR and maybe Peter Pan or Buzz Lightyear. AK only needs the Safari. I would actually find myself having to use up extra ones if it is 20 per quarter, 80 per year.

3. I could definitely see how this would still be irritating to those who live next door to Disney. Being 3 hours out, I still do some planning when I go. However, if you can wake up, see it's a beautiful day, and head out to the parks, only to find you have crazy wait times, I can see that being an issue.
 
And for the record for those who like to villainize me on these forums..

I didn't have to say anything about the proposed distribution of FP+ for APs. I just happened to bring it up before it was rolled out - to the largest forum Disney watches and monitors for public opinion on their resort. I could post it to my blog and or just make it a random tweet or make a joke about it on facebook for my fans.

No, I brought it here and encouraged folks to discuss it. Where, ya know, it'll be seen.

It is the tone of your posts that villainizes you ~ not other people. Since you brought it up.
 
Forgive me if this has already been asked but if they do give AP holders FP+ allowances anybody speculate how you would book it online prior to your trip if you have not yet got to WDW to get an RFID pass? We live in the UK and have paper AP so if they do roll this out we would like to book some of the attractions ahead of time as we would not have a mobile that works in the US or access to internet whilst there.
 
Forgive me if this has already been asked but if they do give AP holders FP+ allowances anybody speculate how you would book it online prior to your trip if you have not yet got to WDW to get an RFID pass?

Very few guests will have an RFID AP before they get to WDW for (more or less) six months to a year after
they institute the program.

Your "reservations" would be associated with your name in the computer.
The RFID-ticket could be issued upon arrival.
 
Very few guests will have an RFID AP before they get to WDW for (more or less) six months to a year after
they institute the program.

Your "reservations" would be associated with your name in the computer.
The RFID-ticket could be issued upon arrival.

Which brings up a very interesting situation.

If I'm sitting at home 3 months before my pending 10-day trip (for which I have a "room-only" reservation) and I have not yet purchased ANY tickets in particular.

Can I make 4 FP+ reservations per day (40 FP+ ressies) for the trip the way that I can make as many ADR's for dining as I like?

What happens when I get there and decide to "upgrade" to an AP?
Can I still have all of my 40 FP+ reservations?
Would I have to wait to upgrade until my last day or two in order to keep
all my MYW FP+ reservations...

Is that "abuse?"

Will I then be penalized for becoming a repeat customer (AP holder) and not get nearly
the number of FP+ reservations on my subsequent trips?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
 
And i think we can all agree that prior to Disney cracking down on the all "Tricks" - including returning late - people claimed up and down they were legitimately using the system and doing nothing outside the expectations because Disney "allowed" their behavior.

Which is essentially the same argument against getting fewer FP and being spread out to other attractionr ather than using FP 3x for an E-ticket. "But Disney allowed it.."

Disney allowed it because sometimes they don't see past the end of their own nose. They didn't expect that sort of usage and after years of researching and tracking it has come to a point where they can do something about it and are choosing to do something about it.

This serious condition was so acute that Disney made it a top priority to remedy...

some 10 years after it was discovered.


Deja vu all over again.
 
Which brings up a very interesting situation.

If I'm sitting at home 3 months before my pending 10-day trip (for which I have a "room-only" reservation) and I have not yet purchased ANY tickets in particular.
I'm guessing the computer will know. If you're not scheduled to buy tickets, how would you reserve FP+ slots... won't you need a ticket number with which to associate it?


Can I make 4 FP+ reservations per day (40 FP+ ressies) for the trip the way that I can make as many ADR's for dining as I like?
Don't know if the FP+ ressies will transfer from the Room Only reservation number to the tickets associated with that record -- an interesting question...

What happens when I get there and decide to "upgrade" to an AP?
Can I still have all of my 40 FP+ reservations?
Would I have to wait to upgrade until my last day or two in order to keep
all my MYW FP+ reservations...

Is that "abuse?"
You will have had to have purchased tix -- FP+ reservations would be useless without tix, and it is a possible loophole, I agree... There's a definite chain here -- reservation number, MYW ticket number, AP number, all associated with a particular set of FP+ events. :confused3

Forgive my pessimism, but WDW's track record of linking multiple discreet ID numbers to specific entitlements hasn't been very strong.

Will I then be penalized for becoming a repeat customer (AP holder) and not get nearly
the number of FP+ reservations on my subsequent trips?

I'd guess that you'd give up the first 20 of your AP entitlement as part of the consideration of being allowed to upgrade your tix to APs at face value -- correct me if I'm wrong (I've never done it) but doesn't that set your AP start date as the date of first MYW use? That would be overlapping entitlements, yes? But I'm not in charge, so that's pure speculation on my part.
 
Disney allowed it because sometimes they don't see past the end of their own nose.

This is why I'm expecting we'll still be able to figure out a way to ride what we want, when we want, as many times as we want. :)
 
All this talk of e-tickets brings back fond memories of the ticket books. The FP+ is going retro bringing us full circle. It looks we will be able to book a couple of e-ticket rides, a few c/d rides, and a few a,b, and other attractions. I am not saying it is better, but it does remind me of 1977.
 
FP+ is going to be more complicated, less flexible and force me into making decisions and choices I don't want to have to think about or make!

We stay for 3 weeks at a time, don't do the DDP and don't plan our park days in advance, with the exception of an odd day where we have an ADR.

Sometimes we will split up and do different rides and come together afterwards and sometimes I will go to a different park from DH & DS (I love to watch the animals at AK but the boys get bored!) and catch up with them later.

The system as it stands means I could go to AK and use FP to ride the Safari and Dinosaur and then meet with them at Epcot where we could use FP for Soarin' and Test Track. This will no longer be an option with FP+!

Even within the same park FP+ will cause problems if your group likes to do different things. For example, I never ride Rockin 'n' Roller Coaster but my DH & DS love it so they would use FP to ride. We all love Toy Story Mania so would use FP to ride together. With FP+ I would need to ride TSM alone as DS & DH would have already used their FP+ from this group.

If you travel with extended family or friends then you could all end up with different numbers of FP+ (depending on where they were staying and their ticket media) so would not be able to ride together. Even if you did all have the same number of FP+, how would you get everyone together at 60/180 days out to decide which ride, in which park, at what time, on what day to book?

The whole thing just sounds like a horrible mess! :confused3
 
If you're still reading, the honest answer is because its so easy. Nine times out of ten, your posts on this subject are boilerplate and one-note, without any sensible reason why you're so excited about it. I'll give you credit this time though, as at least you came up with some cogent reasons why this system may benefit you.

In thread after thread where most everyone else appears far less excited about it than you are, I see some really good reasons for posters to be so. But rarely do I see any "attaboys" or "attagirls" from you understanding their points, yet you highlight the outliers who had positive experiences with limited tests and conclude that the whole thing will be...great...with no consideration for scale or for the experiences of those who were not selected for the tests.

That's why, since you asked.
:goodvibes
~That's not true. I don't want you to give me "credit." I seem to manage just fine without it. I want you to back off & stop judging me. I have argued in depth my personal reasons for wanting FP+, over and over and over again. I have also given boatloads of praise to posters with opposing viewpoints, including yours. You see what you want to see, & you judge me very harshly. For the record, you and I have been going back and forth on this for over a year now, we even agreed that we would never agree on this! It used to be more humorous than negative, but like I said, you've changed. :( And, it's not just about how the system benefits me, there are many posters who are excited about FP+.

~Why does it seem that every time you and I have a disagreement, a certain poster finds it necessary to "jump on the bandwagon" and attack me with the most illogical responses??? If this poster confronted me on her own terms, then it would be much different. But, she only confronts me, when "you" confront me and I find that to be incredibly strange & totally creepy. :rotfl: Anyway, I put that poster on my ignore list! :goodvibes

~And, I know you remember, the nationwide Disney press release, I think it was you that started a thread or posted a link about it. Anyway, I have a right to my opinion, you like to judge me on harsh terms, and what is so fascinating is these terms don't apply to anyone else on this entire forum!

~I think it's mean and unfair. Why? Because, I never posted my opinion in this thread! I purposely avoided this thread, and you still felt the need to mock me, when there was absolutely *nothing* in this thread for you to mock, it's not the first time, either. But, what would the world be without haters.
:cool2:

Umm.. am I the only one who sees that the person who thinks it's "fabulous" disregards the info about the FP+ limits for APs entirely and claims it's totally bogus...?
~This "rumor" is BS & you know it! If you tell me with a straight face that you didn't laugh at most of the reactions in this thread, then I might believe you! :goodvibes

Whether it is or isn't, irregardless, we'll have to live with whatever system it turns into.

FP or FP+, random or scheduled, it's still gonna be WDW, and I'll adapt/adopt to match my touring style (or vice versa) and I'll still have a great time!

Thanks for all the different (and differing) points of view!


popcorn::
~Finally, a voice of reason! Your post made me smile, it totally gives me hope! :goodvibes

I think the main reason they would hoard the FP's was because Disney didn't really enforce the time(s) you had to return in the past. Therefore, it helped their way of touring the parks.

I don't see it as abuse, just a case of doing your research and asking cms if they could return after the printed time, if the cm said it was ok, or would let you through, that's fine. If you don't ask, you'll never know.

Only 3 ways I can think of that one MAY be able to abuse the FASTPASS system.

1. I have read that the FP kiosks themselves have a button at the back of them that, when/if there is a problem with accepting someones card, a cm could press this button on the back and it would distribute a FP for that guest. If one was to look for an unoccupied kiosk or see a cm distracted at another kiosk, one could simply press this button at the back as much as they'd like and it would spit out FP's (again, only read about that, have no other proof so it could be a load of rubbish).

2. The cm who you give your FP to inside the queue area just takes the FP off you without looking at it. You could have a legitimate FP for say, Buzz Lightyear from 1pm-2pm that day, and take with you weeks/months/years of old, unused FP's for different attractions. Use the Legitmate FP to show the cm at the the entrance to the FP queue, then give the second cm one of your old unused FP's. Do it twice, wait for the cms to rotate and repeat.
I have never, nor would I ever do this, my apologies if I offended anyone with this point. It is merely to try and put my point across about the difference between abuse of the FP system and knowing how it works and using it to its fullest, whilst following Disney's rules/terms.

3. People printing off their own copies and selling them on eBAY.

Those 3 points to me, are FP abuse

If you are looking forward to FP+ then that is fine, and I totally and fully respect anyone who thinks that.
My worry is, as I have made in other posts, is that you make your booking for MSEP one night, and then it is cancelled due to the weather. That to me, is a wasted FP+ right there. I'm sure Disney will compensate by offering a FP+ for another attraction whilst the park is still open, but for some, they may feel that's not good enough.

What if you want to change your FP+ reservation due to a reason, you go try to log onto the disney app/website and it is experiencing 'technical difficulties', or the battery in your phone dies?

Again, i'm not attacking anyone with this comment, I appreciate and respect anyone who disagrees with me on this. I've found this thread to be a great discussion which has been done on peaceful terms
:goodvibes
~Wow, this is an amazing post! It's so thoughtful and considerate. You sound very intelligent, and you have every right to be concerned. But, things like weather will always be an issue with regular fastpass and fastpass+. I just don't like fear mongering without facts, it's so cruel. I like you, please don't get upset or become too worried, most of what we are hearing are just rumors and speculation. FP+ is not going to be the "doom & gloom" that some here are making it out to be.:goodvibes

And for the record for those who like to villainize me on these forums..

I didn't have to say anything about the proposed distribution of FP+ for APs. I just happened to bring it up before it was rolled out - to the largest forum Disney watches and monitors for public opinion on their resort. I could post it to my blog and or just make it a random tweet or make a joke about it on facebook for my fans.

No, I brought it here and encouraged folks to discuss it. Where, ya know, it'll be seen.
~Awww, mousermerf! I hope you don't think I am trying to "villainize" you. You are one of my favorite posters, and a trusted information source. I love your blog and always follow your posts for the latest & most accurate information! I'm so sorry, I totally respect your opinion but this is an unbelievable mess! I hope you forgive me. :hug:

~With that said, I'm still super excited about FP+, I can't wait to be free from the constraints of regular FP! :goodvibes
 
I have nothing left to say. I'll leave you, permanently, with a sincere "Merry Christmas".
 













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