APs are coming

I'm confused by something. I see everyone saying there is a 40% price increase, but wasn't the Gold Pass $899 before and the Platinum was $1199? This looks like a $100 price increase, which is definitely not 40%?
No, the Gold Pass was previous $719, and included Photo Pass. If one chooses to purchase Photo Pass, that price jumped from $719 to $999, 38.9%.

Now, you wouldn't need to buy Photo Pass for every member of your party. Or you may forego it entirely, facing "only" a 25% increase. (Of course, you have to pay for Genie+ now, too....)
 
I am I reading this right, the new gold pass now blocks out half of Thanksgiving week :( that is when we plan on going:(
I'm so sad about this! We always go Thanksgiving and really enjoy it! Luckily, we are covered this Thanksgiving and next because I already bought my Gold pass renewal certificates a month ago. We might have to plan for Easter trips in the future.
 
They couldn’t even quote the full price due to the sticker shock. They had to add the “plus $205” down payment.

Universal does the same thing with ~$200 down payment first. I assume they require the down payment so people don't sign up and pay like $40 and go for a month and then stop paying...
 

DFB is reporting that there will be a limit on the number of APs that Disney will be selling.

https://www.disneyfoodblog.com/2021...VkXT7G_J9e37PvUcp6L7T240EO4DxbcOTt4swkB9p7Zns
"But NOTE!! To help with attendance numbers, Disney will be limiting the number of Annual Passes on sale. This means the new Annual Passes CAN sell out. So, if you’re planning to purchase a pass on September 8th, be sure to set your alarms so you have a better chance of snagging one! We’ll remind you when Annual Passes go on sale, so stay tuned for the latest Disney news."
 
Did I miss where it was announced there was no DVC discount? I thought I saw people say that usually come out separately?
There hasn't been anything stated either way on that. It could still be a separate DVC announcement on that front.
 
Did I miss where it was announced there was no DVC discount? I thought I saw people say that usually come out separately?

It's on the graphic I posted above as we are already listed along with FL residents so the implication is certainly that this is already FL/DVC pricing. Which makes sense, as resident pricing is what we have always gotten anyway. I don't think there's anything new for DVC to announce. I think this is it, and they'll just add it back to their normal perks page. Probably very quietly.
 
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I have not seen anything that leads me to believe that it will work any different than before.

So, only one person needs it.

I'd also remind you that previous APs all included PP so linking by F&F in MDE didn't matter anyway. What came first? The chicken or the egg? I'm going to bet against your theory at this point and hope I'm wrong. They may be linked, but I'm betting that anybody that uses as AP for PP that has not paid for it will have watermarked photos in PP. I'm willing to be wrong. I hope I am. I bet I'm not.
 
They couldn’t even quote the full price due to the sticker shock. They had to add the “plus $205” down payment.
The "down payment" only applies to new APs purchased on the FL Resident Monthly Payment Plan and it's been that way for a number of years.
 
Now even for renewal, the price difference between a 10-day ticket around Christmas and a platinum pass (Incredi-pass) is close to 500, almost enough to cover a Universal Premier Pass. This could be the direction to go for us in the future...
 
Good until you need an AP and are told there aren't any left.
Granted is the Chapek's disney we're talking about here, but I'm thinking that they'll limit more so the lower tier FL only passes vs the sorcerer and incrediable one.
 
So, here is what I could put together for the passes that are most relevant to DVC members:

Gold (OLD):
New (DVC): $719.00 plus tax All Ages
Renew (DVC) : $611.00 plus tax All Ages

Platinum (OLD):
New (Normal): $1,195 plus tax
Renew (Normal): $951 plus tax
New (DVC): $899.00 plus tax All Ages
Renew (DVC): $764.00 plus tax All Ages

Sorcerer (most closely related to Old Gold):
New: $899 plus tax All Ages
Renew: $764 plus tax All Ages

Incredi-pass (most closely related to Old Platinum)
New: $1,299 plus tax All Ages
Renew: $1,104 plus tax All Ages

Photopass option for new AP types:
$99 plus tax

Waterpark option for new AP types:
$99 plus tax

One thing to keep in mind: Disney World AP prices haven't increased since February 2020. If you factor in 1.5 years of the normal price increases that haven't happened on the old Gold/Plat AP pricing (estimating 7% price increases):

Annual Increase adjusted Gold (OLD):
New (DVC): $769.00 plus tax All Ages
Renew (DVC) : $654.00 plus tax All Ages

Annual Increase adjusted Platinum (OLD):
New (Normal): $1,279.00 plus tax
Renew (Normal): $1,018.00 plus tax
New (DVC): $962.00 plus tax All Ages
Renew (DVC): $817.00 plus tax All Ages

I rounded the prices above to the nearest whole dollar

A few things we don't know:
Will DVC members receive a discount on the new AP prices? I could see them instituting a similar discount to what we currently get, which would take $100-$200 off the price. The press announcement they put out wouldn't advertise the discount(s) that we get, and that information would become available on the DVC website when they update it for the new AP types.

Assuming we don't get any discounts, I would base any comparisons based on what would've been the normal annual price increases that actually haven't happened.
Gold vs Sorcerer (new): $769 vs $899 = $130 "beyond normal" price increase
Gold vs Sorcerer (renew) $654 vs $764 = $110 "beyond normal" price increase
Platinum vs Incredi-pass (new): $962 vs $1299 = $337 "beyond normal" price increase
Platinum vs Incredi-pass (renew): $764 vs $1104 = $340 "beyond normal" price increase

Based on the above numbers, I suspect there will be a DVC discount announced of some sort. Right now the DVC discount on platinum annual passes is about $296 for new passes and $187 for renewals. Obviously, this is a big wild card and will change any numbers significantly. I'd suggest holding off judgement until we can see what those discounts are, if any.

Making a few assumptions: DVC members didn't get any special discount on Gold passes, as it was the same price for FL residents and DVC members. Arguably, they would probably do the same thing for the Sorcerer pass and DVC members wouldn't see any further discounts on that. Incredi-pass could conceivably get a $200-$400 discount for DVC members, making the price for that pass in the $899-$1099 range for DVC members. This puts it more in-line with the current costs on the same pass.

Additionally, folks have to consider the water parks and photopass options now. Not having photopasses included any longer is a removed benefit. Fortunately, all signs seem to point to that only one person needs it to be able to get photos. So one person could just get the $100 add-on and get it for everyone for the full year. This is still another price increase, if you cared about the photopass downloads. I know a lot of folks complained a few years ago when they significantly raised AP prices and justified it by including photopass into the cost.

Having the option of adding water parks is a bonus. The price difference between Platinum and Platinum Plus passes was already $100. So, in theory, this is a $1 discount on that (hooray!) but having the option of adding water parks to any sized annual pass is a benefit. Previously, you would've had to do a gold pass and a separate disney world water parks annual pass. Water park annual pass is/was $139. So this is a $40 discount on that option for everyone.

With all of the above analysis there is still the big unknown of any DVC discounts. Even with any presumed DVC discounts, it's still a price increase above what would've been normal price increases...especially if you made good use of the photopass options.
 
Based on the above numbers, I suspect there will be a DVC discount announced of some sort. Right now the DVC discount on platinum annual passes is about $296 for new passes and $187 for renewals. Obviously, this is a big wild card and will change any numbers significantly. I'd suggest holding off judgement until we can see what those discounts are, if any.
I wouldn't count on it -- I've seen several Dis journalists report on Twitter that they were told there will be no DVC discounts for the Incredi-Pass. And given the "turn them upside-down and shake them until all the money falls out" spirit, I'd be shocked if they did.
 
DFB is reporting that there will be a limit on the number of APs that Disney will be selling.

https://www.disneyfoodblog.com/2021...VkXT7G_J9e37PvUcp6L7T240EO4DxbcOTt4swkB9p7Zns
"But NOTE!! To help with attendance numbers, Disney will be limiting the number of Annual Passes on sale. This means the new Annual Passes CAN sell out. So, if you’re planning to purchase a pass on September 8th, be sure to set your alarms so you have a better chance of snagging one! We’ll remind you when Annual Passes go on sale, so stay tuned for the latest Disney news."
Disney is summoning FOMO to get additional sales.

Let them not sell a new DVC member a DVC AP because they are out of stock.
 
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I wouldn't count on it -- I've seen several Dis journalists report on Twitter that they were told there will be no DVC discounts for the Incredi-Pass. And given the "turn them upside-down and shake them until all the money falls out" spirit, I'd be shocked if they did.
Fair enough. I hadn't read that much yet. If they aren't offering any DVC discounts on the incredi-pass then that is a significant price increase. I guess it just depends on if you need to go during Thanksgiving and/or Christmas weeks, now that Easter isn't blocked out any longer on the gold-equivalent Sorcerer option.

Disney definitely seems to be positioning themselves as a Premium or, arguably, even Super Premium destination based on recent pricing changes.
 












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