April 26 - May 3, 2008 Caribbean Crazy Cruisers

[LCtonra]

So have you thought about what you would do if I was the other person at that table and you asked and I said I was uncomfortable with it? Would you not do it?

Actually not to be picky but i never said I was asking (i know that sounds rude, but its not meant to be) I stated that it has been brought to my attention that our very short prayer probably will go unnoticed in a busy dining room and if it is we will address it then. If it needs to be addressed I assume we would just say that we say a very short prayer among ourselves and they are more then welcome to join us if they like, but it would probably take all of 30 seconds.

I believe that me respecting the other people enough by not forcing them to pray with us or even listen to our prayer is very respectful and if they in return can not respect us enough to not pay attention or talk amongst themselves for the 30 seconds we are doing this probably while everyone is getting settled anyway....well I think we are going to have a lot more problems then just this subject.

Did what I write make any sense to anyone besides me?

 

[zerog]

SCRRREEEEEEEEEECCCCCHHHHHHH.. (Car comes to stop)

Let's drop the religion topic. She asked, we answered. Done!

Now, let's concentrate on the fact that we'll be cruising. Yaaaaahoooo.

Please, no more posts about prayer. Thanx.

 

[LCtonra]

Y Ok what about if a woman wants to breast feed her baby at the table, how's that for an example.

Um we are praying for 30 seconds not the time it takes to breast feed a baby...and no I would not have a problem with that. If it is something that is obviously so important to them they are willing to put themselves into a situation that is probably uncomfortable who I am to tell them they can not do it.

 

[jetanlori]

SCRRREEEEEEEEEECCCCCHHHHHHH.. (Car comes to stop)

Let's drop the religion topic. She asked, we answered. Done!

Now, let's concentrate on the fact that we'll be cruising. Yaaaaahoooo.

Please, no more posts about prayer. Thanx.

No problem!!!

 

[LCtonra]

THANK YOU RANDY!!!!!!!!! Don't let Chris know I have another knight in shining armor!!!

 

[zerog]

Kaylee's school called today saying that she's throwing up so I went and got her and we are home now. She had a headache this morning but I gave her some Tylenol and sent her to school anyway, hoping for the best! I guess it's better she gets it now than closer to the cruise but it's hard for me to leave work esp since I will be gone for a week later this month!

Oh well, I guess I will be spending the day cleaning house and packing some more!

Hope you all have a great day!

Kay - I told you we are in sync. Tuesday, I got a call from Taryn's school to come pick her up because she was running a 101.7 degree fever. She threw up once before I took her to the doctor. She was negative for Strep (waiting for culture results tho) and her throat looked sore. Yesterday, she wouldn't eat because she said it hurt to swallow. Today, I am home and she seems to be doing well. DW, meanwhile, has a small headcold and my sinuses are a bit stuffy. Hopefully, we will work all this junk out over the next few days.

 

[WDWLVR]

Thanks Randy for getting us back on track!

Hopefully everyone who is feeling under the weather can be up to full speed by cruise time!

 

[ccrew]

Hi, we are also joining you on the cruise!! Our group is DH(41), DD(almost 13), DS(11), DD (7), DS (5 1/2), DMIL, and myself (41). This will be our second cruise, did the western in May 2006!
My oldest DD is looking for a penpal before we go....PM me and I will send you her e-mail!! She likes skating, soccer, snowboarding, and volleyball. I am sure my DS 11 would also like one!!
Cari

Welcome Cari!

I also have a DS who is 11 and a DD who is 8.

Kristi

 

[ohioMickey]

Coming out of the woodwork (Like Bootstrap Bill in the hull of the Black Pearl)...

I hate to play the Simon Cowell of this bunch, but...

There is no need to screech this topic to a halt because religion and prayer are not the issue. The issue is common courtesy and respect for your fellow traveler. And that is a topic that should NOT come to a screeching halt.

If Jetanlori is REALLY uncomfortable by a family quietly praying together in a noisy dining room for 30-seconds, and she tells you this, then I would not pray at the table. Do it in your stateroom or do it in the hall outside the dining room or do it at my table--I don't care.

And while you are praying--wherever it may be--please put a kind word in for Jetanlori... because if she truly can't tolerate a quiet 30-second family prayer, then she has deeper issues.

I wonder... If she were a vegetarian, would she ask her tablemates not to order steak? If she were dry, would she ask them not to buy the wine package? If she were dieting, would she ask them not to order desert.

Forget what I said about praying in your room. Ask for a new table. Sheeesh.

 

[LCtonra]

Ok I have another question...this one is not as debatable...I HOPE! When you get frosty drinks for the lovely little man carrying them around on a tray (does this really happen or just in my fantasy) Do you tip him cash or can you add his tip onto your card. Also what is an appropriate tip for a frosty beverage?

 

[Myers Family5]

Coming out of the woodwork (Like Bootstrap Bill in the hull of the Black Pearl)...

I hate to play the Simon Cowell of this bunch, but...

There is no need to screech this topic to a halt because religion and prayer are not the issue. The issue is common courtesy and respect for your fellow traveler. And that is a topic that should NOT come to a screeching halt.

If Jetanlori is REALLY uncomfortable by a family quietly praying together in a noisy dining room for 30-seconds, and she tells you this, then I would not pray at the table. Do it in your stateroom or do it in the hall outside the dining room or do it at my table--I don't care.

And while you are praying--wherever it may be--please put a kind word in for Jetanlori... because if she truly can't tolerate a quiet 30-second family prayer, then she has deeper issues.

I wonder... If she were a vegetarian, would she ask her tablemates not to order steak? If she were dry, would she ask them not to buy the wine package? If she were dieting, would she ask them not to order desert.

Forget what I said about praying in your room. Ask for a new table. Sheeesh.

YEAH ! ! ! . . . . . Mike, I could not have said things better!!!!

 

[stevenmtl]

Ok I have another question...this one is not as debatable...I HOPE! When you get frosty drinks for the lovely little man carrying them around on a tray (does this really happen or just in my fantasy) Do you tip him cash or can you add his tip onto your card. Also what is an appropriate tip for a frosty beverage?

We were on the Disney Western last May 2007. We NEVER needed any cash on board! We added everything to our card! EVEN THE TIPS!
My DH tells me that a small tip is already added to your bill, so feel free to add anything extra! We did!
Beth

 

[stevenmtl]

Coming out of the woodwork (Like Bootstrap Bill in the hull of the Black Pearl)...

I hate to play the Simon Cowell of this bunch, but...

There is no need to screech this topic to a halt because religion and prayer are not the issue. The issue is common courtesy and respect for your fellow traveler. And that is a topic that should NOT come to a screeching halt.

If Jetanlori is REALLY uncomfortable by a family quietly praying together in a noisy dining room for 30-seconds, and she tells you this, then I would not pray at the table. Do it in your stateroom or do it in the hall outside the dining room or do it at my table--I don't care.

And while you are praying--wherever it may be--please put a kind word in for Jetanlori... because if she truly can't tolerate a quiet 30-second family prayer, then she has deeper issues.

I wonder... If she were a vegetarian, would she ask her tablemates not to order steak? If she were dry, would she ask them not to buy the wine package? If she were dieting, would she ask them not to order desert.

Forget what I said about praying in your room. Ask for a new table. Sheeesh.

MAZEL TOV!!!! Way to go MIKE!!! I wonder if anyone is going to have a problem with my family bringing a box of MATZOH to the dining room since Passover only ends at sundown on sunday!!?? Sorry, but I couldn't resist! Beth

 

[wdwluvrs]

We too are going to try our hand at making a door sign and depending on how it goes will try for a different one each day. As to the tipping question DCL automatically puts a 15% gratuity on to all bar bills. Welcome to the group Cari

 

[LCtonra]

Ok I have to say at this point...my buttons are pushed. I agreed with Randy almost two pages back that this subject could be closed at least on my part. I wrote a simple question and yes did expect various answers but did believe we could all handle answering my question like adults. I have just received an EXTREMELY OFFENSIVE PM from Jetanlori saying that it was someone else from this board that wrote it to them. I considered posting it here, but honestly this would become much more than a heated discussion at that point. I believe and maybe I am wrong that it is not true. Jetanlori you were the only poster here that had a serious problem with my question and answer so I do not believe someone would email you these items without even chiming in before. As for the person who just signed up maybe it was them that sent it. Either way this is getting ridiculous. I joined this group to meet some great Disney Lovers like ourselves, people who have kids our kids age, and to be able to ask questions to even my silliest questions because believe me I have a million. After reading the PM that was sent this has slightly ruined this experience for me.

I honestly do not know what else to say because after receiving this message I believe the line has been crossed on what is friendly banter and what is truly offensive. I am sorry for even asking the question and sincerely apologize to all who were offended themselves along the way. I have never been part of any meet group before and do not know if these altercations happen on all boards. Maybe I am just more concerned then I should be. Either way if this issue must go on I am removing myself from the equation. I will not post anymore on this subject.

 

[LCtonra]

Hi, we are also joining you on the cruise!! Our group is DH(41), DD(almost 13), DS(11), DD (7), DS (5 1/2), DMIL, and myself (41). This will be our second cruise, did the western in May 2006!
My oldest DD is looking for a penpal before we go....PM me and I will send you her e-mail!! She likes skating, soccer, snowboarding, and volleyball. I am sure my DS 11 would also like one!!
Cari

Welcome to our Cruise...we have a DD almost 6 and DS almost 2. Sorry I don't have kids to penpal with your older ones, but I just wanted to welcome you.

 

[ohiominnie]

Ok I have to say at this point...my buttons are pushed. I agreed with Randy almost two pages back that this subject could be closed at least on my part. I wrote a simple question and yes did expect various answers but did believe we could all handle answering my question like adults. I have just received an EXTREMELY OFFENSIVE PM from Jetanlori saying that it was someone else from this board that wrote it to them. I considered posting it here, but honestly this would become much more than a heated discussion at that point. I believe and maybe I am wrong that it is not true. Jetanlori you were the only poster here that had a serious problem with my question and answer so I do not believe someone would email you these items without even chiming in before. As for the person who just signed up maybe it was them that sent it. Either way this is getting ridiculous. I joined this group to meet some great Disney Lovers like ourselves, people who have kids our kids age, and to be able to ask questions to even my silliest questions because believe me I have a million. After reading the PM that was sent this has slightly ruined this experience for me.

I honestly do not know what else to say because after receiving this message I believe the line has been crossed on what is friendly banter and what is truly offensive. I am sorry for even asking the question and sincerely apologize to all who were offended themselves along the way. I have never been part of any meet group before and do not know if these altercations happen on all boards. Maybe I am just more concerned then I should be. Either way if this issue must go on I am removing myself from the equation. I will not post anymore on this subject.

((hugs)) I'm sorry this has gotten out of control. NO ONE deserves offensive PM's or emails.

I wondered about the identity of the "troll" too.

((hugs)) again

 

[WDWLVR]

OK everyone - deep breath!

I think that the discussion was a healthy one but it is one that many people feel passionate about.

Everyone is entitlted to their opinions but it is sad that those opinions are hurting each other especially when I firmly believe the question was asked in a sincere effort not to hurt anyone.

Please let's move on to planning for a wonderful Disney cruise in a few weeks. For those who don't agree with each other the ship is really big.

 

[WDWLVR]

I've deleted two posts from this thread. One just because of the quoting of the other. If additional uncivil comments pop up points will be issued.

 

[ohioMickey]

Wow. Sorry to hear your DIS experience has been tainted! I guess I feel a little responsible because the topic did seem well-buttoned until I added my two cents.

Anyway, ask away. We'd love to hear your million silly questions... or at least 999 of them