AP sales…

[AnnaKristoff2013]

Has the “class” actually been certified?
if it is a class action suit, the legal fees are going to more then the 5 million dollars they were seeking.

The class has not been certified yet, early days still.

 

[Robbie Cottam]

the way I see it this law suit cost me 1800 last year and is going to cost me close to 6000 grand this year ….. I wonder if I can sue the class

 

[AnnaKristoff2013]

the way I see it this law suit cost me 1800 last year and is going to cost me close to 6000 grand this year ….. I wonder if I can sue the class

Well, Disney’s terms and conditions when they started selling the passes indicated that they were limited availability. You didn’t buy them immediately and were blocked out when they stopped selling them. If the plaintiff suing has “sour grapes,” is not what you have also “sour grapes?” In any event, your beef shouldn’t be with the plaintiff, it should be with Disney.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

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[Sandisw]

True, but doesn’t the purchase of the ticket create a contract between Disney and the purchaser. Disney has the right to set limits on there parks.

I can‘t show up at 2 am and stay I want to go space mountain because the park is closed.

is the claim that Disney should reserve 3600 park slots everyday I case a Magic Pass holder shows up?

If that theory succeeds you are going to see the cost of annual passes with a few more zeros on the end of them.

Who wants to pay $13,999 dollars per year for there annual pass?

Also what you refer to as a footnote, someone else may term a contract stipulation.

I think the claim is that they can use the system and allocate between buckets, but if the AP bucket is full and the ticket bucket is not, then they have to adjust if it is not a block out date for passes since they have, in essence already sold a spot for that day when they sold the AP.

Now, the terms and conditions do state that an AP requires a park reservation and is subject to availability so I don’t think that is an issue.

But if more AP holders decide to go on a certain day, and spots are still open, they should be given them, regardless if they were initially slated for ticket holders.

If not, they need to change the structure of an AP...which could end up making it quite expensive.

 

[AnnaKristoff2013]

This is largely going to be moot in a year or two when demand crashes. Demand can’t stay sky-high forever.

 

[Robbie Cottam]

This is largely going to be moot in a year or two when demand crashes. Demand can’t stay sky-high forever.

I agree in part and dis agree in part…… sorry couldn’t help myself….

yes demand will go down…. My guess first of the year 23 Maybe disney can keep it up through the end on the 50th celerbration…. But that’s kinda a lot.

however, how low will it go, crash….
No

pre covid demand +/-… yes…
Unless we are in a full on Great Depression number 2 then Disney is a ghost town

 

[Maistre Gracey]

Not sure if I’m reading the responses correctly, but it sounds like some are saying no AP’s due to the California suit.
If that’s the case, than why are the still selling renewals?

 

[Maistre Gracey]

Why did that come out bolded?

Okay… fixed

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

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[CarolMN]

Because all of the people who already had APs when they stopped selling them would already be in the plaintiff class since the case was filed as a class action suit. They stopped so they would not grow the class of plaintiffs.

So anyone who has an Incredipass or Sorcerers pass now is potentially part of the class? That's interesting.

Thanks for all of your thoughtful posts. Much appreciated.

 

[Robbie Cottam]

Not sure if I’m reading the responses correctly, but it sounds like some are saying no AP’s due to the California suit.
If that’s the case, than why are the still selling renewals?

Service to the customer.
comply with the contract terms.

Renewals never really stoped. Once the parks reopened anyone with a current AP was given back the lost time with the right to renew.

 

[dcfromva]

So anyone who has an Incredipass or Sorcerers pass now is potentially part of the class? That's interesting.

Thanks for all of your thoughtful posts. Much appreciated.

I'm not sure about that. First of all, the lawsuit was filed for Disneyland so as far as I know it only includes passes sold there. Also, I "think" the suit pertained the the passes with no block out dates. I believe the system at WDW might be slightly different.

 

[Robbie Cottam]

Interesting question:
in you have an annual pass and show up at the gate when the park is in phase 4 full capacity …. You would get turned away, would you not?

How is this any different?

 

[Marionnette]

Interesting question:
in you have an annual pass and show up at the gate when the park is in phase 4 full capacity …. You would get turned away, would you not?

How is this any different?

The difference is that the park was not at full capacity. DL was selling "day of" tickets but AP holders could not book a park reservation because the AP "bucket" was empty.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

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[Robbie Cottam]

The difference is that the park was not at full capacity. DL was selling "day of" tickets but AP holders could not book a park reservation because the AP "bucket" was empty.

I know that is what she claims in her suit but has that been proven?

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

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[Ms Bibbidi]

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[Robbie Cottam]

Other than economic recession or something, demand could stay very high. I have seen a number of posts from people who bought annual passes saying they take more trips per year to make use of their APs. Demand might also drop. Having room in the parks is definitely the key factor regarding the unavailability and whether Disney has a right to prioritize ticket holders or resort guests over passholders trying to get a reservation.

I wonder how it would affect passholder sales if Disney made a bold 14 point type disclosure something like this. “Warning. All guests must have a valid park reservation to enter the first park on the day of a visit. Disney reserves the right to deny passholders a park reservation in favor of ticketed or any other type of guest regardless of whether or not the day is blocked out on the calendar for the passholder. Risk of non availability is extremely high during weekends, most holiday periods and when Disney is hosting special events. Risk of nonavailabilty also causes periods when obtaining reservations for consecutive days is not possible for passholders. Annual pass reservation availability is based on a space available basis and ticket reservations may still be sold when passholder availability is locked out.”

You mean like the one I posted a couple of days ago

or this:

Annual Passes​

Annual Passes allow you to enjoy the magic all year long. Now is the time to answer the call and discover all the possibilities a Walt Disney World Annual Pass can bring.

To enter a theme park, each passholder must have a theme park reservation in addition to a valid pass. Park reservations are limited and are subject to availability and applicable pass blockout dates.

New sales of select Annual Passes are currently paused. Please check disneyworld.com/pass for the latest updates.

to the best of my memory that disclosure was added with the theme park reservation system before the park reopened…..