AP Fantasy Blackout dates 2012 - Update 16/3/2012

[Carrie_Cat]

I phoned this morning and have the list of extra blackout dates for the Fantasy AP's that will be transformed into DEFINITE AP's in the park at the AP office after the 29th of March 2012.

These dates only concern you if you have bought an temporary Fantasy AP from Cemultiavantages or Promoparcs or anyone of the other ticket sellers and you are transforming it after the 29th of March.

April - No extra blackout days - Existing ones are - 8th

May - No extra blackout days - Existing ones are - 18th-27th

June - 5th - 12th - 19th - 26th - Existing ones are - 2nd-6th-30th

July - No extra blackout days - Existing ones are - 1st

August - No extra blackout - Existing ones are -None

September - 4th - 11th - 18th - Existing ones are - 2nd-23rd-29th-30th

October - 9th - 16th - 23rd - Existing ones are - 27th-2th-31st

November - No extra blackout days - Existing ones are -1st to the 4th-10th

December - No extra blackout days - Existing ones are -1st-8th-9th-29th-31st



They don't affect anyone who already has a permanent pass in their possession

Yours (and mine ) blackout dates will remain the same as on the Existing list

Hth

 

[irish disney fan]

thank you very much for posting this info. had been thinking of buying the fantasy passes, but will now go with dream as the new dates include two blockout dates for my visit!!

 

[Kikifromscotland]

Thank you so much for this, I might have actually cried if the new blackouts had fallen on our dates!

I was just wondering whether you know yet if the fantasy ap will have EMH on it after 29 March?

 

[lilacgems23]

I phoned this morning and have the list of extra blackout dates for the Fantasy AP's that will be transformed into DEFINITE AP's in the park at the AP office after the 29th of March 2012.

These dates only concern you if you have bought an temporary Fantasy AP from Cemultiavantages or Promoparcs or anyone of the other ticket sellers and you are transforming it after the 29th of March.

April - No extra blackout days - Existing ones are - 8th

May - No extra blackout days - Existing ones are - 18th-27th

June - 5th - 12th - 19th - 26th - Existing ones are - 2nd-6th-30th

July - No extra blackout days - Existing ones are - 1st

August - No extra blackout - Existing ones are -None

September - 4th - 11th - 18th - Existing ones are - 2nd-23rd-29th-30th

October - 9th - 16th - 23rd - Existing ones are - 27th-2th-31st

November - No extra blackout days - Existing ones are -1st to the 4th-10th

December - No extra blackout days - Existing ones are -1st-8th-9th-29th-31st



They don't affect anyone who already has a permanent pass in their possession

Yours (and mine ) blackout dates will remain the same as on the Existing list

Hth

How do you find out the blackout days before buying with them?

 

[Carrie_Cat]

How do you mean

As I said above I phoned them and asked them the new dates which I added ^^ along with the existing ones

 

[scampbunny]

thanks for that carrie - am sure its very helpful for those lookin at aps!!

i keep thinking bout it - then dont bother lol one day......

 

[DLPDreams]

Thanks for posting Carrie . So pleased we went for Dream APs as 4 blackout days are included during our 2 trips this year.

 

[loladelorean]

Thanks for posting carrie - Im not sure this affects us but fear that it might. We are planning on buying a fantasy AP for my sister on June 4th but does this mean she won't be able to use it on June 5th? Or also sept 11th? Or do the new dates only apply to ce multivantages etc? :S
I'm getting a dream AP anyway - maybe my sis will just need to pay more too...

 

[Carrie_Cat]

Thanks for posting carrie - Im not sure this affects us but fear that it might. We are planning on buying a fantasy AP for my sister on June 4th but does this mean she won't be able to use it on June 5th? Or also sept 11th? Or do the new dates only apply to ce multivantages etc? :S
I'm getting a dream AP anyway - maybe my sis will just need to pay more too...

It does and it doesn't

The blackout days that you see up there correspond to any new Fantasy AP that is created in the AP office after the 28th of March 2012.

But......

If you stay on site or in a partner hotel the blackout days don't apply to you and you have entry into the park as if you have normal package tickets, you even get the EMH

Thorsten did this in Jan so it's tried and tested so to speak

 

[DLPdaft]

but you don't get EMH if you're staying at a partner hotel Carrie. Where did you find the information about blockout dates not counting if staying at a partner hotel? I thought this rule was only for onsite hotels?

Also I have to say I don't understand how this physically works for access through the turnstiles into the parks. I mean, on a blockout date on your AP, the turnstile doesn't know you are staying onsite, so do you have to get a CM to let you through the turnstile by showing them your hotel ID? And what about the fastpass machines on a blockout date - do you have to explain to a CM at the machine that you're staying onsite (as presumably you'd get that message on the FP machine that your park ticket hasn't been used for entry that day, so can't be used for FP).
Similarly with these new fantasy AP blockout dates from April if staying completely offsite - I didn't think either the turnstiles or the APs were sophisticated enough to distinguish the date an AP was bought, and so be able to tell that the new rules apply/don't apply, depending on when they were purchased? I hope they are though, as we would have 2 blockout dates on our planned trips on our APs if we bought them in April, as it is we have none.

 

[DLPDreams]

Have to say Elaine, I was a bit confused about this/a similar issue on another post the other day . When I rang about APs/RO rates the CM told me that you get EMH even if your AP doesn't cover it, if you are staying on an onsite hotel (we didn't discuss partner hotels so can't comment on that) as it is your hotel easypass that gets you in at 8am. BUT, he specifically said that if you were staying onsite on an AP rate, that if your AP did not cover your dates (i.e. blockout date with Fantasy AP) then your hotel did not cover it either and you would need to buy day tickets for those guests .

However, Carrie did say I was incorrect when I said similar to the OP - can't recall who it was now though.

Having said all that Carrie knows her stuff and sometimes the CMs do give out totally incorrect information so I'm inclined to go with Carrie . I spoke to 3 CMs that day and got given differing information from each one with regard to whether we would be OK to check into our hotel with temp APs before upgrading them to perm!

I wish the same information was fed through each time .

 

[Carrie_Cat]

but you don't get EMH if you're staying at a partner hotel Carrie. Where did you find the information about blockout dates not counting if staying at a partner hotel? I thought this rule was only for onsite hotels?

Sorry wasn't clear about the EMH as there should be a bit after that up there saying "if you are entitled by staying onsite"

The restriction is removed if you are in a Disney hotel except now the Elysée Val d'Europe - was this the only partner hotel ?

Taken from DCP

http://www.disneycentralplaza.com/t...ports-annuels-pour-disneyland-paris-en-page-1

38) J'ai un PA comportant des jours de restrictions. Peut-on faire sauter les jours de restrictions ?
Oui, mais seulement si vous séjournez dans un hôtel Disney. Vous ne pourrez rentrer dans les parcs que sur présentation de votre carte ID Easypass qui vous aura été remise à votre arrivée à l'hôtel.

Attention, l'hôtel Elysée Val d'Europe ne fait plus sauter les restrictions !

Attention, les 2 jours de restriction contractuels suivant l'achat d'un PA Francilien ou Découverte ne peuvent pas sauter même en cas de séjour dans un hôtel Disney !

I have a PA with the days of restrictions. Can we bypass the days of restrictions?
Yes, but only if you stay at a Disney hotel. You can enter the parks by showing your ID card EasyPass which will have been delivered upon arrival at the hotel.

Attention, the hotel Elysee Val d'Europe is no longer bypassing restrictions!

Please note, contractual restriction 2 days after purchase of a PA or Francilien Discovery can not be bypassed even when staying at a Disney Resort
also 4-4b

Also I have to say I don't understand how this physically works for access through the turnstiles into the parks. I mean, on a blockout date on your AP, the turnstile doesn't know you are staying onsite, so do you have to get a CM to let you through the turnstile by showing them your hotel ID?

According to above that's exactly what you do

And what about the fastpass machines on a blockout date - do you have to explain to a CM at the machine that you're staying onsite (as presumably you'd get that message on the FP machine that your park ticket hasn't been used for entry that day, so can't be used for FP).

I'm guessing here that you show them that ID Easypass...maybe Thorsten could explain what he did seeing that he went in on a restricted day with his AP Decouverte in Jan

Similarly with these new fantasy AP blockout dates from April if staying completely offsite - I didn't think either the turnstiles or the APs were sophisticated enough to distinguish the date an AP was bought, and so be able to tell that the new rules apply/don't apply, depending on when they were purchased? I hope they are though, as we would have 2 blockout dates on our planned trips on our APs if we bought them in April, as it is we have none.

I was told by 3 different people that the turnstiles would read the pass and know if I had a pre 29th of March 2012 or a post 29 of March 2012 Fantasy AP. It will be on the bar code which will change because of the new design.

The purchase date has nothing really to do with it for them, it's the day that the definite pass was made out in that AP office that determines when your contract starts from not if it was paid for several months before

 

[DLPDreams]

Thanks for explaining Carrie . It totally makes it clear there. I was clearly given incorrect information in my phonecall but then that doesn't surprise me as that has happened a few times now .

ETA - the CM told me you do show your hotel easypass for the perks - seems he got that right .

 

[Carrie_Cat]

Thanks for explaining Carrie . It totally makes it clear there. I was clearly given incorrect information in my phonecall but then that doesn't surprise me as that has happened a few times now .

ETA - the CM told me you do show your hotel easypass for the perks - seems he got that right .

I don't know you know, maybe they are lying to me and I'm going to look really stupid trying to get in the park come the first new blackout day but if my AP doesn't go through I am going to create a scandal as when I renewed and signed a contract in their AP office for a Fantasy, I signed with 335 days acces not 320 days.

Anyway if the weather's good I'm going tomorrow so I'll ask someone face to face

Did you phone the French line or the UK one and get the American call centre workers as that seems to change the stories a lot

 

[DLPdaft]

yes, thanks Carrie . I notice your posts mention Disney hotels (makes no mention of the partner hotels from what I can see, except to say the l'elysee is not included). I would take that to mean onsite hotels only ?

 

[DLPDreams]

It was the UK line as it was a good few weeks ago (Feb I think). And yes, it was 2 American CMs and one UK (I think).

In future, after reading on here, I will definitely be ringing the French line - they seem to know their facts much better .

Agree about the AP blackout dates - you did sign for less blackout days. They have to have a cut off for those who will fall under the new dates but it shouldn't affect those with perm APs in their hands now. When you renew (if you renew), that becomes another matter though I guess ...

 

[Carrie_Cat]

yes, thanks Carrie . I notice your posts mention Disney hotels (makes no mention of the partner hotels from what I can see, except to say the l'elysee is not included). I would take that to mean onsite hotels only ?

Is/was the Elysée the only partner hotel ?

Lets say to be safe onsite hotels only

Which means that Lisa's (if you aren't called Lisa Lola sorry it must be a senoir moment ) sister is ok with a Fantasy as they are staying at the Cheyenne (iirc)

 

[Carrie_Cat]

It was the UK line as it was a good few weeks ago (Feb I think). And yes, it was 2 American CMs and one UK (I think).

In future, after reading on here, I will definitely be ringing the French line - they seem to know their facts much better .

Agree about the AP blackout dates - you did sign for less blackout days. They have to have a cut off for those who will fall under the new dates but it shouldn't affect those with perm APs in their hands now. When you renew (if you renew), that becomes another matter though I guess ...

We renewed last April but you get 18 months so I'm good until the 10th of October 2012

I don't know if we will renew then or not..the blackouts don't bother me as I can go when I please the rest of the time but we are looking at not being here in 2013/2014 so it's undecided atm

 

[DLPDreams]

Slightly OT but I did wonder how one gets 18 months on renewal as I read somewhere that not everyone is offered it (and I'm guessing not being in France makes it difficult to renew)? I don't know whether we will visit again next year, but if we could get 18 months on our APs we might do .

You can't go anywhere Carrie.... who would be our eyes and ears 'on the ground'

 

[DLPdaft]

you generally get the offer of an extra 6 months on your pass free if you renew within 30 days of your existing annual pass expiry date.