Anyone Watching the Netflix Docuseries: You Are What You Eat (Twins Study)

[Christine]

I watched it all and to me the end results in both diets wasn’t that drastic and it really comes down to moderation and eating less junk food. I agree the sexual function part was weird.

I agree. I thnk the key was that the meat/dairy diet was also considered healthy and I'm sure they used all the best types of farm-raised beef, fish, dairy which have a very different fat profile.

I do think that the vegan group, overall, had a much better cardiac profile.

 

[TipsyTraveler]

I agree. I thnk the key was that the meat/dairy diet was also considered healthy and I'm sure they used all the best types of farm-raised beef, fish, dairy which have a very different fat profile.

I do think that the vegan group, overall, had a much better cardiac profile.

The results on the telomeres is what shocked me. I’d always been under the impression telomeres shortened as we aged and the goal was to slow that process. I had no idea they could actually regrow, and especially not through diet alone and that quickly. I was floored by that. Then again, maybe I’ve spent more time thinking about my telomeres than most.

 

[Christine]

The results on the telomeres is what shocked me. I’d always been under the impression telomeres shortened as we aged and the goal was to slow that process. I had no idea they could actually regrow, and especially not through diet alone and that quickly. I was floored by that. Then again, maybe I’ve spent more time thinking about my telomeres than most.

I think even the researchers were surprised because they thought it would take MUCH longer for the telomeres to lengthen.

 

[Chili327]

I may be operating on a whole different set of algorithms but most of the buzz I’m seeing lately about dietary changes for health are touting the miracles of all-meat diets. Personally, I’ve got no plans to change in either direction.

Same here... But its because I have searched for "Carnivore Diet" info, and have seen first hand major results.

Yeah, I know. The test results they show in both of these shows would have you feeling the opposite. I'm not sure if their data is refuted by something else though.

I watched it all and to me the end results in both diets wasn’t that drastic and it really comes down to moderation and eating less junk food. I agree the sexual function part was weird.

Agree 100%
I think you can eat anything that is real. It's when you add in the man-made (or modified) concoctions that screw it all up.

My Thoughts on The Game Changers is, it is just promote vegetarian way of eating as being superior (not true in my opinion), not actual fact. I can find many videos & documentaries (with "proof") saying the exact opposite.
https://mennohenselmans.com/game-changers-documentary


FYI, The Magic Pill was very interesting.!!

or
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6035294

 

[leahgoogle]

It’s a documentary about a Stanford-led nutrition study.

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2023/11/twin-diet-vegan-cardiovascular.html

*Warning: The link contains spoilers, just in case anyone can’t already predict the outcome of this study.

Yes, and this Stanford-led study was underwritten by Beyond Meat. Beyond Meat announced the establishment of a pioneering Plant-Based Diet Initiative at the Stanford University School of Medicine in 2021. It's too biased for me. I personally do not feel plant-based diets are the best for overall heath.

 

[Chili327]

Yes, and this Stanford-led study was underwritten by Beyond Meat. Beyond Meat announced the establishment of a pioneering Plant-Based Diet Initiative at the Stanford University School of Medicine in 2021. It's too biased for me. I personally do not feel plant-based diets are the best for overall heath.

Too much "not real food" ingredients for me.
https://cleanfoodfacts.com/six-ingredients-that-take-the-plant-out-of-plant-based

 

[TipsyTraveler]

Yes, and this Stanford-led study was underwritten by Beyond Meat. Beyond Meat announced the establishment of a pioneering Plant-Based Diet Initiative at the Stanford University School of Medicine in 2021. It's too biased for me. I personally do not feel plant-based diets are the best for overall heath.

Do you believe they tampered with the results, or were the participants’ bloodwork values, etc. reported accurately at the end of 8 weeks?

 

[Christine]

Personally, if I was going to make a major diet change, I probably wouldn't want to use the meat substitutes. I just feel that while they are accomplishing one thing (getting rid of the wrong type of saturated fats and other problems), they are also very processed and have too many ingredients. I'm not sure it's a switch for the better but that will prove itself out over time.

That said, I do not believe the researchers made up data about the participants' lab work at the end and the data is compelling. Now, did they *hide* anything regarding the vegan diet--that we do not know.

 

[Christine]

Same here... But its because I have searched for "Carnivore Diet" info, and have seen first hand major results.




Agree 100%
I think you can eat anything that is real. It's when you add in the man-made (or modified) concoctions that screw it all up.

My Thoughts on The Game Changers is, it is just promote vegetarian way of eating as being superior (not true in my opinion), not actual fact. I can find many videos & documentaries (with "proof") saying the exact opposite.
https://mennohenselmans.com/game-changers-documentary


FYI, The Magic Pill was very interesting.!!

or
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6035294

Re: The Game Changers: my takeaway was a bit different. I didn't take it as them pushing it as superior. To me, it showed them dispelling a lot of myths of "tons of meat is better" for athletes and showing that you could be an exceptional athlete without meat.

Some of those athletes did note better performance and energy once they made a change. I think that will be a YMMV thing. We are all very unique and there will be people that just feel better without meat and people who feel better with meat. At the beginning of You Are What You Eat, they did state that some individuals just couldn't get what they needed from a solely plant based diet.

 

[Chili327]

Do you believe they tampered with the results, or were the participants’ bloodwork values, etc. reported accurately at the end of 8 weeks?

I'm not the poster you were asking, but often its just results based on only the things they want to point out & not on others.
For instance, they can say "meat is bad" but if you are also eating potato chips, wonderbread, etc. with it, that info isn't usually conveyed along with the bad results. So is it the meat or is it the crap food they also ate with meat?

If someone was to go vegetarian & eat strictly McDonalds, Taco Bell, etc. how healthy are they.?
The common denominator in ANY healthy diet is the lack of garbage being consumed, not the addition of fake versions of food, or "added" nutrients.
Similarly, people don't get headaches because of a lack of aspirin.

That said, I do not believe the researchers made up data about the participants' lab work at the end and the data is compelling. Now, did they *hide* anything regarding the vegan diet--that we do not know.

Truth.. I can pull up many bloodwork results on a carnivore diet, where they reversed their type 2 diabetes, & lowered their blood pressure eating ALL meat, ZERO vegetables. (Lion Diet)

"Reversed" TV series is a good example.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6218088

 

[Chili327]

I think that will be a YMMV thing. We are all very unique and there will be people that just feel better without meat and people who feel better with meat. At the beginning of You Are What You Eat, they did state that some individuals just couldn't get what they needed from a solely plant based diet.

Definitely agree!!

 

[Christine]

I'm not the poster you were asking, but often its just results based on only the things they want to point out & not on others.
For instance, they can say "meat is bad" but if you are also eating potato chips, wonderbread, etc. with it, that info isn't usually conveyed along with the bad results. So is it the meat or is it the crap food they also ate with meat?

If someone was to go vegetarian & eat strictly McDonalds, Taco Bell, etc. how healthy are they.?
The common denominator in ANY healthy diet is the lack of garbage being consumed, not the addition of fake versions of food, or "added" nutrients.
Similarly, people don't get headaches because of a lack of aspirin.




Truth.. I can pull up many bloodwork results on a carnivore diet, where they reversed their type 2 diabetes, & lowered their blood pressure eating ALL meat, ZERO vegetables. (Lion Diet)

"Reversed" TV series is a good example.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6218088

I think on the Twin Study they removed all the "bad" stuff and I was glad to see that because you eat some pretty junky food on the vegan diet so it was good to show that for the 8 weeks, each group got a very healthy diet. That in itself helped all of them, but I did seem some coronary improvements on the vegan results over the omnivore results.

 

[TipsyTraveler]

I'm not the poster you were asking, but often its just results based on only the things they want to point out & not on others.
For instance, they can say "meat is bad" but if you are also eating potato chips, wonderbread, etc. with it, that info isn't usually conveyed along with the bad results. So is it the meat or is it the crap food they also ate with meat?

If someone was to go vegetarian & eat strictly McDonalds, Taco Bell, etc. how healthy are they.?
The common denominator in ANY healthy diet is the lack of garbage being consumed, not the addition of fake versions of food, or "added" nutrients.
Similarly, people don't get headaches because of a lack of aspirin.




Truth.. I can pull up many bloodwork results on a carnivore diet, where they reversed their type 2 diabetes, & lowered their blood pressure eating ALL meat, ZERO vegetables. (Lion Diet)

"Reversed" TV series is a good example.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6218088

I agree that no diet of any type is going to be healthy so long as it’s full of processed junk. However, for this study, I do feel like both diets were pretty equivalent in terms of quality, the only real difference being inclusion or exclusion of animal products.

 

[leahgoogle]

Do you believe they tampered with the results, or were the participants’ bloodwork values, etc. reported accurately at the end of 8 weeks?

I wouldn't say that, but I wouldn't put it past them to cherry pick or hide values that don't align with the outcome they want.

 

[Chili327]

Do you believe they tampered with the results, or were the participants’ bloodwork values, etc. reported accurately at the end of 8 weeks?

I think on the Twin Study they removed all the "bad" stuff and I was glad to see that because you eat some pretty junky food on the vegan diet so it was good to show that for the 8 weeks, each group got a very healthy diet. That in itself helped all of them, but I did seem some coronary improvements on the vegan results over the omnivore results.

I agree that no diet of any type is going to be healthy so long as it’s full of processed junk. However, for this study, I do feel like both diets were pretty equivalent in terms of quality, the only real difference being inclusion or exclusion of animal products.

I think the thing to remember is that the results are what they want to show... If you really wanted to see what diet is best for certain conditions you have to test them all, not just the 2 they tested, So while i get that if you eat regular "Standard American Diet" it compared better with out meat, but that doesn't mean that meat is bad. I wont type out all the reasons I'm making this post, since this video shows it, but basically if you're eating meat with all the starchy & carb heavy veggies then yes its worse, but an Animal Based diet can be far better than a standard veggie diet when it includes those same veggies.

 

[Christine]

I think the thing to remember is that the results are what they want to show... If you really wanted to see what diet is best for certain conditions you have to test them all, not just the 2 they tested, So while i get that if you eat regular "Standard American Diet" it compared better with out meat, but that doesn't mean that meat is bad. I wont type out all the reasons I'm making this post, since this video shows it, but basically if you're eating meat with all the starchy & carb heavy veggies then yes its worse, but an Animal Based diet can be far better than a standard veggie diet when it includes those same veggies.

Did you watch the series? They actually never said a diet with meat was bad. Never. In fact, they put two "healthy" diets out there and just compared results of both on identical twins. They all had positive benefits from what they were eating. The plant-based, though, against 21 sets of twins was "better" on coronary arteries and visceral fat that the diet with meat. But the diet with meat was still good. It was just a very interesting comparison.

I just want to be clear that this doesn't set out to vilify meat (with the exception of factory farming) but see how changes would occur with various diets. Both diets were considered healthy. Now sure, a standard animal diet with loads of veggies added could be a lot better than someone doing a poor job on a plant-based diet.

 

[Chili327]

Did you watch the series? They actually never said a diet with meat was bad. Never. In fact, they put two "healthy" diets out there and just compared results of both on identical twins. They all had positive benefits from what they were eating. The plant-based, though, against 21 sets of twins was "better" on coronary arteries and visceral fat that the diet with meat. But the diet with meat was still good. It was just a very interesting comparison.

I guess my point was that their results show that the diet without meat is better (in my caveman terms, meat = bad), but my point is there are many other factors that go into results besides one has meat and the other doesn't, making one diet better than the another.

I just want to be clear that this doesn't set out to vilify meat (with the exception of factory farming) but see how changes would occur with various diets. Both diets were considered healthy.

I think we can all agree factory farming is a horrible thing.

Now sure, a standard animal diet with loads of veggies added could be a lot better than someone doing a poor job on a plant-based diet.

What would make you say/think that?

 

[Christine]

What would make you say/think that?

I was responding to this statement:
but an Animal Based diet can be far better than a standard veggie diet when it includes those same veggies.

Plenty of people can go on plant based diets and not balance it right, despite all the 'standard' veggies. One needs to be quite careful with getting a good balance of protein on strictly plant based and adding animal based can make that easier. If an animal based diet with veggies is FAR better than a standard veggie diet (all veggies the same) I'm open to seeing that data. This is coming from an omnivore by the way. I eat a good amount of meat. But I've yet to read anything compelling that makes a meat diet better with regard to coronary health--and that's my focus here as were the two documentaries.

 

[TipsyTraveler]

I just want to point out that all diets are associated with higher risks for certain nutritional deficiencies, so one should not think they are automatically getting everything they need simply because they eat a certain way. The best thing to do is recognize where your diet is most at risk for deficiency and keep on top of it.

“Vegans had the lowest vitamin B12, calcium and iodine intake, and also lower iodine status and lower bone mineral density. Meat-eaters were at risk of inadequate intakes of fiber, PUFA, α-linolenic acid (ALA), folate, vitamin D, E, calcium and magnesium. There were nutrient inadequacies across all dietary patterns, including vegan, vegetarian and meat-based diets.“

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8746448/

 

[Chili327]

@Christine I think we're maybe saying the same thing. (maybe, I'm not sure maybe not) I'm saying a clean all meat diet can be better than a vegetarian diet if the veggie diet includes a bunch of crap.

For instance, a grass fed/finished burger is "better" than a beyond/impossible burger. I guess that could depend on what metric used to measure, but if you look at the ingredient list for those fake meat products, its a ton of chemicals & other non food things. A veggie/vegan that eats a ton of crap isn't going to be as healthy as someone eating just clean & real animal based food. (meat, fish, eggs, dairy) Also depending on the person I guess.

I would like to see a study of 22 (or 50+) sets of Twins, full carnivore vs full veggie/vegan diet, (do they use twins to make it more of a level playing field, over two random strangers?)