Anyone Tried Tour Guide Mike

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Has anyone sued Tour Guide Mike. I am obsessed with guide books and buy the updated versions each year (sad) !! and am really tempted to give Mike a try. You can never have to much information.

Thinking of signing up tomorrow so I have something to play with while DH is at work - please let me know your opinions - Thanks
 
I really didn;t mean has anyone sued him that would be very bold, what I meant to say has anyone used Tour Guide Mike ??
 
I haven't sued him ;) but I am a member of the website. I love the way the information is presented and there are some wonderful photograph's too.

I always like to print the park hours off of of there and there are numerous fact sheets which are handy to print off and take with you for your trip. It's well worth it in my opinion :)

:wizard:

PS - I got a coupon off of MouseSavers.....not sure if it is still there, worth a try? :)
 
I've signed up to it and I am finding it really usefull, you can probably find the infomation for free elsewhere however its good to have easy access to it.
 

We signed up for Tour Guide Mike and went to Disney at Easter this year (one of the most busiest time of year). With TourGuide Mike's advice we hardly ever waited in a queue but if we did it was never for more than 15 minutes! It is well worth the subscription and I would definitely use it again.

Have fun!
 
Thanks for all your help, you are convincing me, Frances I am so glad you didn't sue him !!
 
I've been a subscriber for a few years now. It can quite overwhelming to start with, but there is some extremely valuable information and, once you get used to finding your way around, I agree with Frances that it's well laid out. For me, the 'Least Crowded Parks' articles alone are worth the subscription cost - Mike (TGM to his friends ;)) charts the information for every day of the year AND details the thinking behind the recommendations.

There are also some great tips on where to stand for the parades - more detailed than you'll find in any guide book. TGM was a Disney Cast Member in a former life and he now organises VIP Tours. He's in the parks every day and he still has many insider contacts, so his information is always bang up to date.

When I joined, there were no forums, but a well-established little community has grown up now.
 
I haven't used it because I read a very bad review. It's here if you want to see for yourself!

Review Here

Personally I find it easier to plan our itinerary using Excel and the Unofficial Guide (2007 version has just come out!). It has all you need and is cheaper too, plus it lasts a lifetime, not just 60 days like TGM!
 
I signed up a few months ago for our upcoming trip. I love the Least Crowded Days charts and personally I find his information on the attractions really great (he has a ton of info on each one with great advice incl. 'best views', 'best times to ride' etc). There's something very reader-friendly about his blurbs on each attraction (and restaurant too). There's a ton of info there and it's definitely made me feel very confident about our park touring. Although the site is definitely convoluted and unnecessarily hard to navigate. I've got enough info though to more than make up for that. I also love the Unofficial Guide and I just got the 2007 one - both guides have their merits and in my opinion, I love sitting back with a coffee reading the UG, but I like printing out the hard facts on TGM - it's all good!
 
flortlebap said:
I haven't used it because I read a very bad review. It's here if you want to see for yourself!

Review Here

Personally I find it easier to plan our itinerary using Excel and the Unofficial Guide (2007 version has just come out!). It has all you need and is cheaper too, plus it lasts a lifetime, not just 60 days like TGM!

TGM members are welcome to print as much info as they want from TGM's site. That printed info doesn't spontaneously combust after 60 days. ;) As for the review you read, you know that's just a blog yeah? It's not written by a journalist i.e. it isn't an official review, just one person's opinion! As an aside, I can't fathom what he's talking about when he says you could just look at the board at the front of the park to see the wait times for the attractions - you can't "look at the boards" weeks in advance when you're planning your itinerary. :teeth:
 
Love TGM, got so much done with his touring plans in August, they do work, and like Deb love his best days for the parks, and love the updates to park hours/ refurbs all there on my front page, highly recommended :thumbsup2
 
I really like using his site as well, the only thing I would say is that there is a LOT of infomation on there that helps you plan and at first it can be a bit overwhelming, so take it slowly and give it a few times using it to get prtoficent with the site, it is easy when you get to know it a bit.
 
flortlebap said:
I haven't used it because I read a very bad review. It's here if you want to see for yourself!

Review Here

Personally I find it easier to plan our itinerary using Excel and the Unofficial Guide (2007 version has just come out!). It has all you need and is cheaper too, plus it lasts a lifetime, not just 60 days like TGM!

I just read this review and I could pick it apart line by line, but I don't have the energy! However, I will pick up on a couple of of points:

The reviewer reckons that Mike's credentials are suspect because he was 'only a CM for 5 years'. That's completely missing the point. For years, he has run his independent VIP Tours business and he visits the parks every day with his guests and he goes to great lengths to test out his theories. When Disney changes something (such as when they moved from Early Entry to Extra Magic Hours), he updates his articles (in this case spending a great deal of time working on his 'Least Crowded Parks' information, based on his vast experience). However, he doesn't stop there. He continually tests and re-tests his own thinking (whilst he's in the parks with his VIP guests) and tweaks the advice - always providing explanations, not simply amending the plans. I think that's pretty dedicated given that the 'Automated Vacation Planner' is just a sideline for him. I have been buying the Unofficial Guide for almost 15 years and, much as I like it, they don't offer a service anywhere approaching this level of detail. And he has many insider friends and contacts who keep him up to date. He is extremely tenacious in substantiating rumours. Only when he is sure that his source is spot-on will he update his articles, although he will enter into discussion on the forums keeping subscribers informed of progress.

The reviewer's claim that he 'took the AVP' to the Guest Services booths at the parks and asked CMs for their opinions is ludicrous. The AVP is an online resource consisting of literally thousands of tools and articles. Whatever he presented can have been only a tiny part of what you pay for.

His assessment of the 'Least Crowded Park' days articles is way off. However, as a TGM subscriber, I have contracted not to share proprietary information so, even if I could be bothered to comment, I would be prohibited from doing so. As, of course, is the reviewer.

As I mentioned in my previous post, TGM's site is overwhelming at first. However, I'm not sure what suggestions I could make for improvement - there is just so much information that it takes a long time to become familiar with it and to find your way around easily. There are so many links within links, that you can feel that you've 'lost your place' and it can be quite discombobulating, but I don't even think about it anymore - I have a 'map' in my mind.

I think the subscription structure is flawed. For example, a new subscriber today whose vacation was next month would pay $21.95. Access to the subscriber areas of the site would be available until 60 days after the end of the vacation. If your vacation was not until October 2007, you would still gain access right up until 60 days following that vacation. So, the second subscriber would receive access for a year longer than the first, for the same outlay. You do receive a discount, however, for subsequent sign-ups. I think my current subsription cost $9.95. If you have 2 or 3 vacations planned, my advice would be to sign up for the one which is furthest away. Even if they are only tentative thoughts at the moment, it's still worth doing that - you'll still get access to all the information and your dates can be amended at any time.

Anyone considering signing up should understand what TGM is not. You won't get a neatly presented personalised itinerary. You'll get access to an online resource. Much of it is information which is available in guide books and on the internet - an online guidebook. However there are tips here which you won't find anywhere else. The information is constantly updated and touring advice is provided for each month of the year, taking into account all the special events. If, for example, you plan to visit in October, you will be able to access 'Least Crowded Parks' articles written for every day of October, taking into account EMH days, MNSSHP and the IF&WF. If Disney changes anything - park hours, for example - Mike will update the article. The first thing I log into each day is 'My Latest AVP Updates' where Mike details any changes. You can access the information for any change, not just those which affect the month for which you have signed up.

If you're looking for a Personalised Planner, I recommend Simon and Susan Veness's. My only criticism of this is that you only receive it around a week before your trip. Whilst I understand the need to make sure it is up to date with the latest park hours, attractions and weather forecasts, I'd like to receive a Planner upon payment, followed by a tweaked plan a week before my trip. I think most people will want to have an idea of how their holiday will look well in advance, not least in order to make dining and other reservations.

By the way, TGM now sponsors the Theme Parks board here on the DIS. Click here to receive a $3 discount.
 
DebIreland said:
TGM members are welcome to print as much info as they want from TGM's site. That printed info doesn't spontaneously combust after 60 days. ;) As for the review you read, you know that's just a blog yeah? It's not written by a journalist i.e. it isn't an official review, just one person's opinion! As an aside, I can't fathom what he's talking about when he says you could just look at the board at the front of the park to see the wait times for the attractions - you can't "look at the boards" weeks in advance when you're planning your itinerary. :teeth:

Oh yes I know it's just a blog, I haven't seen any "official" reviews of it though! And I thought this one was quite in depth, in a way it's nice to see a "real person"'s perspective. Journalists usually have a hidden agenda somewhere :rotfl:

I can understand where the guy's coming from. We don't plan each ride at each minute with military precision. We go with an idea of what we want to ride, which to do first (the super headliners) and then just wander around and do whatever we feel like at the time. But that's the beauty of going in September :goodvibes It means that for us the wait times posted on the boards are all we need. If a ride is busy we just come back later or FP it!
 
UKDEB thanks for that analysis :)

The thing I don't get is how he can possibly tell you which days are going to be busy and which aren't! We have a vague idea, but nobody is psychic and can tell which park will be busy when (same with EMH's). I'm happy to use my guidebook and trust my judgement. Last trip was the only one that I personally had planned and we didn't encounter crowds or long waits anywhere (with the exception of Peter Pan at MK, 30 mins and it was the longest wait we had all trip :rotfl:)

And surely a lot of TGM is just common sense anyway? Don't go to MK on a Saturday, it'll be busy, for example. If we want low crowd days we pick a day in the week, if there are shows on in the evening we ride then and see the shows another day. Obviously I don't know everything but it's worked OK so far!!

PS I don't pretend that I know everything about it, I don't, I'm just genuinely interested in what it can possibly offer that you can't find out for yourself if you have a bit of intelligence! :goodvibes
 
flortlebap said:
I can understand where the guy's coming from. We don't plan each ride at each minute with military precision. We go with an idea of what we want to ride, which to do first (the super headliners) and then just wander around and do whatever we feel like at the time. But that's the beauty of going in September :goodvibes It means that for us the wait times posted on the boards are all we need. If a ride is busy we just come back later or FP it!
Oh yes, I agree and I meant to add that, as a many-times visitor, I don't use the Touring Plans, per se. The attraction specific information can be very useful, though. There is so much to the site that, even as a frequent visitor, I am more than satisfied that I'm getting my money's worth.
 
flortlebap said:
The thing I don't get is how he can possibly tell you which days are going to be busy and which aren't! We have a vague idea, but nobody is psychic and can tell which park will be busy when (same with EMH's). I'm happy to use my guidebook and trust my judgement. Last trip was the only one that I personally had planned and we didn't encounter crowds or long waits anywhere (with the exception of Peter Pan at MK, 30 mins and it was the longest wait we had all trip :rotfl:)
Again, I agree. Long before I ever subscribed to TGM, my advice to anyone was always to avoid EE days at all costs. We once broke our own rule to do MK on our daughter's 11th birthday and I couldn't believe how busy it was.

However, you'd have to see the 'Least Crowded Parks' articles to understand how he 'knows' which days are going to be busy and which aren't. Of course, occasionally something will be thrown into the mix which means he gets it a bit wrong, but he will always say so, explain why and learn from it. The main thing to understand is that this guy is in the parks every day. That's how he can predict, better than anyone else (even most of those who work there) how the crowd patterns will pan out.

By the way - he offers a full money-back guarantee to anyone who thinks they've wasted their money. ;)
 
UKDEB said:
By the way - he offers a full money-back guarantee to anyone who thinks they've wasted their money. ;)

I've looked at the TGM site and I did see that. But I'd take it with a pinch of salt, I dare say it can't be *that* easy to get your money back or everyone would be doing it :rotfl:

I'd be interested to hear from anyone who wasn't satisfied and who DID manage to get a full refund though... ;)
 
This has been an interesting discussing. Off to have a look at this as it seems that the information will be useful :)
 
flortlebap said:
I've looked at the TGM site and I did see that. But I'd take it with a pinch of salt, I dare say it can't be *that* easy to get your money back or everyone would be doing it :rotfl:

I'd be interested to hear from anyone who wasn't satisfied and who DID manage to get a full refund though... ;)

I am sure there have been posts on the TPA&S Board that confirm a full refund has been given if you are interested :thumbsup2
 











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