Anyone there now that can comment on FP enforcement

[vacationclub]

Vacation club, what is your POINT? You keep arguing but what are you really trying to say? That you shouldn't have been expected to know about the ability to use FP late? Fine, you shouldn't have been expected to know. Can we move on now?

Yes, that's what I'm saying. (Why did you ask if you already know?) The person I'm responding to (not you) is having a problem with that theory, thus my post to that person....and not you. You can move on to anything you like. We (myself and the person I'm exchanging with ) will continue to post if we like.

Or do we need to ask your permission?

I'm curious why you're saying I "keep arguing" but not saying it to the person that "keeps arguing" with me. There are two separate people posting back and forth here, yet you only single me out.

 

[KellyNY]

Vacation club, what is your POINT? You keep arguing but what are you really trying to say? That you shouldn't have been expected to know about the ability to use FP late? Fine, you shouldn't have been expected to know. Can we move on now?

It will take a while for everyone to move on. I see "lets not discuss late FP anymore, it is in the past..." all over board, yet people continue to state opinions and do you really expect others not to reply? Whatever Late FPs were, rule breaking, system abuse, intendent design of system, true/real/actual policy or anything in between really does not change what we have now, but it does not change opinions and if you do not want to hear it, do not read it, simple.

 

[Corwin]

Here is how the original poster started this thread:

We are going on Saturday and was curious how strict this new policy was going to be enforced....

...I just read 11 pages of people aRguing with each other and only 2 comments of people actually there...

Why do people have to keep using these threads to argue with each other?

Is it not possible to have a thread where people can post first-hand reports without derailing into yet another policy argument?

If you want to debate policy, start a different thread!

 

[Corwin]

So for the people who have first-hand experience in WDW in the last few days, are the CMs consistently allowing the rumored 15-minute grace period before turning people away?

And if they do allow it, is it accompanied by an admonishment to be on time in the future?

(I'd just like to know if we can count on being allowed the grace period, or if it is more of a "maybe" thing.)

The CMs I encountered treated the grace period as part of the window and never said anything to me about being "late." It's pretty safe to say you can count on the GP, it's printed right on the FP. Hope this helps!

Thanks for answering this!

 

[Nanajo1]

I am here now. While exiting EP, a family told me they were allowed onto rides twice while being a couple of hours late.

On both occasions they said they were "lectured" on the need to appear duing the window of time.

Another person overhearing our conversation reported the same thing happened to her.

Hope this helps

Pop

 

[BNM]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. (Why did you ask if you already know?) The person I'm responding to (not you) is having a problem with that theory, thus my post to that person....and not you. You can move on to anything you like. We (myself and the person I'm exchanging with ) will continue to post if we like.

Or do we need to ask your permission?

I'm curious why you're saying I "keep arguing" but not saying it to the person that "keeps arguing" with me. There are two separate people posting back and forth here, yet you only single me out.

I single you out because your posts strike me as combative, sarcastic (2nd paragraph above) and rude. I have seen it over and over and not only in this thread. Yes, you have made your point. I didn't realize this was a private conversation between two of you. Remember hundreds of people are reading along. I am as entertained by a good debate as the next person, but you keep harping and harping.... I just couldn't take it any more! And I bet I'm not the only one.

 

[vacationclub]

I single you out because your posts strike me as combative, sarcastic (2nd paragraph above) and rude. I have seen it over and over and not only in this thread. Yes, you have made your point. I didn't realize this was a private conversation between two of you. Remember hundreds of people are reading along. I am as entertained by a good debate as the next person, but you keep harping and harping.... I just couldn't take it any more! And I bet I'm not the only one.

- I wasn't sarcastic until after you posted....in response to your sarcasm. Which part was rude? I responded to your question (by saying yes) then asked you a question, then explained what is happening here that had not, up until that point, involved you. Then I asked you a question (a sarcastic one based on your sarcastic post). Then I asked you another question and made another observation about your one sided comments. Please identify which part was rude so I can apologize for it.

-Whatever you think you've seen over and over in some other thread is no reason to jump on me in this one.

- The person I responded to accused me of saying that I have a "moral objection" to asking questions. I never said this and defended that point. Another poster defended me as well. Yet you jump in and single me out as combative for defending these accusations.
It seems odd the other party can attempt to make their case and carry on and on and on, but if I respond point by point with direct responses to each of theirs....that's combative and rude. Perhaps you just don't like what I'm saying, so feel the need to reach into the conversation in another way. If there's something you don't agree with or have another viewpoint on...offer it.

- Yes, I made my point to you, and anyone else reading, but another person doesn't get the point, and challenges with their reasoning, which included saying I'm morally objecting to asking questions. So, I responded. But you didn't respond to that person, you responded to me based on your self-admitted bias from reading some other threads. You seem to be speaking as a self-appointed representative for the hundreds of others....some of which in recent pages are agreeing with or even defending my posts. But you left that part out. Maybe because you didn't read the thread and how we arrived here.

-it's not a private conversation...you're just not involved in any way other that to say you don't want to read it. If you'd like to get involved you're welcome to it, but your intention doesn't seem to be to add anything to the debate, but to simply request that others stop doing it.

-if you "can't take it anymore" why are you reading? Again, you seem to act as if others need your approval or permission to post. That's what strikes me.

 

[KellyNY]

I only have one question, where is NYTimez?

 

[CandleontheWater]

So, what's the name of the street I live on? There's a sign posted, but should I believe it? How many days are on my 10 day park hopper? Is it 10, or should I question it? The calendar says it's march....but is it really? Maybe I should look into that too.

maybe you should question your 10 day park hopper. I know that at one point APs were being extended to 15 months. My In laws happened to purchase their APs a few weeks prior to the new policy, so they called Disney and asked if their APs could be extended, even though they purchased them before the new policy. You know what- Disney gave them the extension.

If they hadn't asked, they wouldn't have gotten the extra days. It never hurts to ask about policies, if you are polite, the worst thing that will happen is that you will be told no.

As for FPs, I'm fully going to try to make it within the window, but if for some reason I don't, I'm still going to ask nicely if I could be let on the ride. The very worst that that will happen is I will be told no. I'd rather ask and be turned down, than throw away a FP that could potentially be used!

I'm sure this makes me a cheater and morally suspect.

 

[DRDISNEYMD]

I only have one question, where is NYTimez?

~Lol, NYTimez is doing just fine, at least as of this morning, he's just been very busy but he'll be back "soon".

 

[HolliePoppins]

I single you out because your posts strike me as combative, sarcastic (2nd paragraph above) and rude. I have seen it over and over and not only in this thread. Yes, you have made your point. I didn't realize this was a private conversation between two of you. Remember hundreds of people are reading along. I am as entertained by a good debate as the next person, but you keep harping and harping.... I just couldn't take it any more! And I bet I'm not the only one.

You would be right about that!

 

[vacationclub]

So, what's the name of the street I live on? There's a sign posted, but should I believe it? How many days are on my 10 day park hopper? Is it 10, or should I question it? The calendar says it's march....but is it really? Maybe I should look into that too.

maybe you should question your 10 day park hopper. I know that at one point APs were being extended to 15 months. My In laws happened to purchase their APs a few weeks prior to the new policy, so they called Disney and asked if their APs could be extended, even though they purchased them before the new policy. You know what- Disney gave them the extension.

If they hadn't asked, they wouldn't have gotten the extra days. It never hurts to ask about policies, if you are polite, the worst thing that will happen is that you will be told no.

As for FPs, I'm fully going to try to make it within the window, but if for some reason I don't, I'm still going to ask nicely if I could be let on the ride. The very worst that that will happen is I will be told no. I'd rather ask and be turned down, than throw away a FP that could potentially be used!

I'm sure this makes me a cheater and morally suspect.

Why would it make you a cheater and morally suspect? I certainly don't think that.

I think asking nicely is a great approach, and a CM might welcome this after a day full of people who might be less nice about it. You just might find this approach will work for quite some time if you're not really late, just a bit late.

It's great that the APs were being extended. But, they asked because they knew about something to ask about

As far as my 10-day, it's hard for me to keep track, so I don't toss them until Disney confirms they are used up. Strangely, when i was just there, they had no easy way at the hotel to do this. They scanned the card at my request to check it's usage. But instead of simply saying "yep, you've used them all up", they had to manually count each use...putting their finger to the screen to help them count. They did it twice and got a different count! They said one card had used nine days and the other ten, but that's impossible. They counted again, and my suspicions were confirmed; no more 10 day. Out comes the credit card.

 

[TwiddleDeeTwiddleDum]

I am here now... and NO - they are not letting us in past the FP time at all.

I actually had a FP for ToT on the day we were at DHS, I had returned to the FP line as soon as my window opened, got to the end of the actual FP line - realizing that I wouldn't make it to my ADR on time if I chose to ride - nor would I make it back in time for my window, I asked the CM what to do - and she said I had to get another set of FP, because they wouldn't honor my FPs at all. I was quite annoyed and upset, because the FP landed at a time that it would be acceptable, normally, to get in the FP line and ride, but the FP lines have been so huge this week.

I will also say, because there is no leway in the return times, it is very difficult to plan your day. It would be better, if Disney was going to enforce this, to make the window a bit longer (like 2 hours) - then you could actually leave the area and come back - plus a 2 hour time window would at least allow someone with a valid reason for being late, an opportunity to make it back to the ride on time.

Then, because of the return times, these areas where people normally get a FP and leave - can't leave, they must stay in that area - so top attractions are way more congested than normal. IMO.

D~ <--- who has not read a single thing on this thread except the very last page, so please forgive me if I am repeating.

Thanks for posting your experince with FP enforcement. I wish it were more encouraging

Anyone else who is there now or since 3/7 seeing the same trend? That is, longer than usual FP lines, more conjested top attraction areas?

 

[magicbob]

Based on the reports we've been reading here and on some of the other threads (that showed FP lines at Kilimanjaro Safari, etc.), it would appear that FP enforcement has accomplished two things so far:

1. Longer standby lines.

2. Longer FP lines.

 

[popsynic]

I caught onto the late arrival technique my last trip and it was nice not having to stress out over making all times (especially when you get a FP for a popular ride like TSM or TT that is not valid for 4+ hours in the future.)

Noting that the original poster wants a calm discussion, which I do too (please). Think this above is a really interesting point.

I also discovered the allowance of late use of fastpass by accident on our last trip, and although I am mostly ambivalent to whether they enforce or not, I agree for those fast pass tickets you get that are for way, way later in the day, it was nice to be able to not stress about being there at exactly the right hour - which for a party of 8, mixed generations, toddlers through to grandparents, who do all want to experience say TSM together, can be a task. Although I do appreciate that we have the responsibility to organize ourselves appropriately, sometimes in a full park, its easier said than done.

I would hope (dream!) that if as a larger group we tried our best effort to get from one side of the park to the other, but was say 30 mins late because on route baby needed changing, grandma could only move at very slow pace, toddler got distracted by cast member blowing bubbles in face, 8 year old daughter got mesmerized by opportunity to say hello to a princess who was out and about, and overweight uncle Joe just needed to stop to get a water before he keeled over in the heat - I just hope that they would acknowledge that we tried to make it, and not punish us. I think this is very different to someone actively collecting up fastpasses to circumvent the rules

WDW can be a bit stressful and confusing, and perhaps this enforcement does make it a bit more stressful for some (me!) - however I am sure there are heaps of benefits and operational reasons for it way beyond our awareness. Doubt Disney would do it just for the fun of it. So something else is coming - I'm sure of it. Just hope you don't have to have booked into the most expensive resorts to gain the benefit of what may be coming?

and from the looks of boxes like the one below appearing outside of some fast pass attractions, is coming soon

I just hope that any new variant if the fastpass scheme will be fairly made available to everyone who pays the same amount of cash to get into and experience the parks, regardless of where they stay.

 

[pampam]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. (Why did you ask if you already know?) The person I'm responding to (not you) is having a problem with that theory, thus my post to that person....and not you. You can move on to anything you like. We (myself and the person I'm exchanging with ) will continue to post if we like.

Or do we need to ask your permission?

I'm curious why you're saying I "keep arguing" but not saying it to the person that "keeps arguing" with me. There are two separate people posting back and forth here, yet you only single me out.

OK, now I am confused. If you are posting to a specific person, have you tried sending him or her a private message? I believe this thread is on fastpass enforcement. When we get caught up in trying to converse with specific people sometimes the thread gets sidetracked. All of us here are reading this, trying to get info on fastpass emforcement, but we keep reading discussions that read like arguments about something else. I realize you are only trying to defend what you wrote or meant to write, but it can get confusing.

 

[Corwin]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. (Why did you ask if you already know?) The person I'm responding to (not you) is having a problem with that theory, thus my post to that person....and not you. You can move on to anything you like. We (myself and the person I'm exchanging with ) will continue to post if we like.

Or do we need to ask your permission?

I'm curious why you're saying I "keep arguing" but not saying it to the person that "keeps arguing" with me. There are two separate people posting back and forth here, yet you only single me out.

OK, now I am confused. If you are posting to a specific person, have you tried sending him or her a private message? I believe this thread is on fastpass enforcement. When we get caught up in trying to converse with specific people sometimes the thread gets sidetracked. All of us here are reading this, trying to get info on fastpass emforcement, but we keep reading discussions that read like arguments about something else. I realize you are only trying to defend what you wrote or meant to write, but it can get confusing.

Seriously. This thread was started to discuss people's actual experiences with FastPass enforcement in the parks, yet these people keep sidetracking it with their argument.

So, to the folks who keep arguing in these threads, can you please stop it? Either start your own thread where you can argue policy to your heart's content, or take it to PM.

 

[angelmav]

OK, now I am confused. If you are posting to a specific person, have you tried sending him or her a private message? I believe this thread is on fastpass enforcement. When we get caught up in trying to converse with specific people sometimes the thread gets sidetracked. All of us here are reading this, trying to get info on fastpass emforcement, but we keep reading discussions that read like arguments about something else. I realize you are only trying to defend what you wrote or meant to write, but it can get confusing.

It is because they are trying to get this thread closed for being OT just like they did on the last one.

Doesnt sound like the arguments occuring at the que or the lectures are making for particularly magical park encounters.

They need to roll out X-Pass in a hurry.

 

[Tarffri]

We rode Soarin' on March 7th at approx. 12:45 pm and got off the ride and were able to pull another Fastpass around 1 pm or 1:15-ish which had a stated return time of 8:30-9pm. We know that we got among the last available Fastpasses for the day because all the Fastpass machines were covered except one and the CM overseeing it said that they were about to run out. It was like scoring a real prize. We felt really lucky to get to ride Soarin' twice that day.

I don't know how Fastpasses used to work because we are first time WDW visitors. It seems kind of sad to me that you pull a Fastpass at 1pm and you have to wait until almost park closing time to use it. And that week was not peak season. I would never go to WDW during peak crowd times. Seems like too much aggravation for me.

Before March 7th, would we have not been able to obtain a Fastpass for this ride at 1pm? Or would they have all been gone by then? Were they all scooped up by 11 am prior to the new enforcement? Just asking because I have no experience with this to compare to.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Why do you keep saying I think it's morally wrong to ask questions? And why do you think that unless you question every single printed statement, you're somehow getting screwed? Maybe I should check my own address...perhaps I don't really live there. Am I really me? I should look into this.
.

You should get yourself arrested. The police will be prompt and efficient in letting you know who are .