Anyone have a high school student with an IEP?

We do have an IEP meeting each year, although this past fall, it was only me and his IEP person. The other people were unable to come due to a Swine Flu outbreak. It was kind of non-productive to have no teacher input.

You did NOT have a LEGAL IEP meeting! An IEP committee must consist of both regular and special educators. Does he have co-taught classes? If not, who is responsible for meeting the IEP requirements? That cannot be his case manager who only sees him once per day. On the first page of the IEP - what classes does it list and with whom? Or perhaps he's only consultative? If that's the case you need to call a new IEP meeting and get that changed.

I would definitely keep trying different medications until you find something that works. It will help your child be more focused.

Good luck!
 
I used the exceptional children's assistance center to help me whenever I had a question about an IEP in NC. www.ecac-parentcenter.org It is funded by the Federal government and they will provide an IEP partner (advocate) that will help you through the process. They will even go with you to the meeting.

My DS16 has dyslexia, dysgraphia and ADD. He does well considering. My DH and I tutor him every night and on the weekends. We call it "Drill and Kill". An LD student has to hear something ~150 times before it goes into long term memory. We work just as hard with him today and we did when he was diagnosed at age 6. It never seems to get any easier.

His teachers have been great about supplying us notes from their lectures. We e-mail them often to find out about quizzes and tests. This communication is also written into his IEP.

See if there are any organizations near you that tutor children for free. In our area we have the Black Child Development Institute, Inc. They have had great success tutoring children of all races.

Good luck!

Lori
 
Are you saying he may not have to take math classes in college? That would be AMAZING. Right now, we are faced with him having to go to community college, at least until he can pass geometry, algebra 2 and advanced math. Four year colleges require those courses. I think he can get through Geometry

Actually, if DS had been a year younger, he would have to have all those courses TO GRADUATE FROM HIGH SCHOOL! :scared1: I don't know what kids with more severe learning disabilities do.

Marsha

Yes. I was diagnosed with an LD in math at the age of 30 when I flunked a college chemistry course. I had a tutor and was a 4.0 student up until that class, so I went through some extensive testing. After that, I was able to take substitute classes. Instead of college level math class, I took a very basic math course. Science classes were all non-math based. I was even able to forgo the language requirement, so instead of 4 semesters of a foreign language, I was able to take substitutes for that (different history courses and foreign literature in translation). I also got some other accommodations that I didn't use, but might come in handy for your son with the dysgraphia, such as extra time for tests. He'd want that for essay tests for sure!

Math requirements for high school are getting pretty rigorous, but they're also getting rigorous for the GED as well! When I was teaching GED courses, we were told that calculus and trig would be on the math portion. :scared1: Some of the people taking the GED barely survived high school, let alone having to pass that.
 

Well, I have news for Mr. Math -- the ADA covers college classes too, so it's likely your son will be able to get accommodations there. A big one being, depending on his major, he can substitute math credits for something else. ;)

You should meet with the LD Specialist at your chosen college to discuss this - don't assume it is always true. Depending on the type of school this may not be considered a reasonable accommodation and students may need to fulfill general education math requirements.

I work at a Liberal Arts institution where all students must take one semester of college-level math. We do provide accommodations for students (out of my office) such as extended time for tests, preferential seating, preferential registration, alternate testing location, etc... but we do NOT waive the math requirement or allow students to take a non-math course to fulfill that requirement.
 
I have one particular former classmate in mind that reminds me of the way you describe your son. Our file holder made him give HER all of his work and she turned it in for him. He spent a lot of his day down in her office, working on his work, so he just gave it to her when he finished. While that is an extreme answer to the problem, do you think anything similar could be implemented? When he does his work (in the after school tutoring) the tutor could transport the work for him?

Problem is that because he my son is in the higher level classes, there is no full time in class support. For example, there is no in class support for foreign language, english, science, history or band. He only had an inclass teaher in MATH only. Of course, the math homework gets in... but none of the other classes do! (no one to hound him to do it!) The special ed teacher has more "severe" kids to really watch over, so since my son is "capable" he can do it.. he chooses not to! He does now have a new binder system that seems to be working better, but he does have to hand it in to get credit.

And the threat of Mom is good, trust me! He has cleaned up his act quickly since that time I did "pop" in.
 
Does he have a binder for each class? And an assignment sheet so he can write down the work in each class?

I would email the teachers and be sure that they all know about his iep and the accomodations, especially the extended time. Attach a copy of the accomodations with the email.

Talk to the sped department about getting him a computer to use at school. If that is what he needs for his accomodation, they should provide one.

Not all the teachers may have notes to give to him. I teach and I don't have notes for every class, every day. The teacher using a smartboard is similar to writing on the board, so there probably aren't any notes.

I have had some students this year that I didn't know were on ieps until well into the school year. I wish we were told and given a copy of the accomodations, but we aren't. We are working on that for next year.

He has a binder and folders, but refuses to use them. He says he can find things better using his own system of lumping everything together.

I talked to all his teacher individually at the beginning of the semester at open house and also emailed them in case they did not remember when the open house was over. They all know he has an IEP, although I don't know that they all know all the accomodations. I feel that since he seems like a "normal" kid in most ways, they don't think much about how to teach him differently.

Some of his teachers use a smartboard, but I have been told by teachers who use those that you can save or print what is on the smartboard after you write on it. That kind of printout or emailed file would be very helpful to DS and/or to me when he is sitting at home and cannot remember how to do a math problem. His middle school history teacher had his notes saved on a laptop and he gave the kids who needed it fill in the blank notes. That way they had to pay attention to find out what to write in the blank, but they didn't have to take 2-3 pages of notes.

You did NOT have a LEGAL IEP meeting! An IEP committee must consist of both regular and special educators. Does he have co-taught classes? If not, who is responsible for meeting the IEP requirements? That cannot be his case manager who only sees him once per day. On the first page of the IEP - what classes does it list and with whom? Or perhaps he's only consultative? If that's the case you need to call a new IEP meeting and get that changed.

I would definitely keep trying different medications until you find something that works. It will help your child be more focused.

Good luck!

The teachers did not show for the meeting, and the LEA was not there either. As I understand it, the teachers are responsible for meeting the IEP requirements. There is only one teacher in each class, no aides. His case manager is my contact. Evidently DS works like a dog in his class and he has a 99 average to prove it.

Yes. I was diagnosed with an LD in math at the age of 30 when I flunked a college chemistry course. I had a tutor and was a 4.0 student up until that class, so I went through some extensive testing. After that, I was able to take substitute classes. Instead of college level math class, I took a very basic math course. Science classes were all non-math based. I was even able to forgo the language requirement, so instead of 4 semesters of a foreign language, I was able to take substitutes for that (different history courses and foreign literature in translation). I also got some other accommodations that I didn't use, but might come in handy for your son with the dysgraphia, such as extra time for tests. He'd want that for essay tests for sure!

Math requirements for high school are getting pretty rigorous, but they're also getting rigorous for the GED as well! When I was teaching GED courses, we were told that calculus and trig would be on the math portion. :scared1: Some of the people taking the GED barely survived high school, let alone having to pass that.

I'd be interested to hear about this as well. I know DS needs 2 levels of the same language to get into a 4 year college. He is on his 2nd year of French and not doing well with that either. He has trouble with spanish in elementary and I have always wondered if maybe foreign language and math are related in some way. I don't think he could do 4 semesters of foreign language.
 
If so, how it is handled?

DS15 is a sophomore in hs. He has inattentive ADHD, dysgraphia(a writing disability), a listening comprehension disability and a math computation disability. His ADD is unmedicated as every medicine they have tried(Adderall, Concerta and Vyanase so far) has given him bad side effects.

He has a class called Academic Strategies every day for one period. Basically, it is a study hall with his IEP person with a full class of other kids. Other than that, he is expected to complete the same work, the same way, in the same timeframe as other kids in his class. He is failing all his classes right now, and most of it is missed work he has not completed and in math, he has failed tests because he does not understand the material. I am at my wits end trying to figure out what to do to help him. He is so frustrated that he is not doing much work at all at school. He has never been a behavior problem, or been disrespectful, but now his teachers say he is putting his head down or just refusing to do his work. I don't know if this is a defense mechanism or he is just being a terd. If you have teenagers, you know what I mean.:rolleyes:

Any advice?

Marsha
This isn't really a help, but I think it might be more of an explaination: I teach high school students, and this is a tough time of year for many of them. Why? Because by this point, those who missed the EARLY LESSONS or the BASICS of the course are really stumped with the end-of-the-course, more difficult material -- this is especially true in courses like math, in which the course builds upon prior knowledge. Kids can often skate through or fake their way through the early course material, but it really hits home in the last quarter of the year. And I'm not talking about just kids with IEPs.

Here's the kind of thing I mean:
The student doesn't do all his research, so he's unable to write a research paper.
The student doesn't learn his multiplication tables, so he's completely confused by long division.
The student doesn't learn the scientific method, so he can't write up the report for his science experiment.

This doesn't help even a little this year, but I'd suggest that next year you focus on starting out strong and making 100% sure that he masters all the early material. I suggest that you require him to show you the notes he took in each class every day (and that doesn't mean just copying what's on the board). Often kids THINK they're "getting it" just by listening, but they often don't. High schoolers should be taking notes in every class every day, and a student with attention problems needs to do so more than other students. It'll help keep his focus on the lesson, and the act of writing things down helps them to remember. I can see a big grade difference between my kids who take good notes and my kids who have to be forced to do so.

Outlining chapters in a textbook isn't something that kids LIKE to do, but it does force them to pick out the main topic of the chapter, which is an excellent skill.

If you're inclined to read an old-fashioned, conservative approach to problems with homework and schoolwork, I suggest John Rosemond's Taming the Homework Hassel. (Hope I got that name right.) His advice is sound.

Also, keep in mind that he's probably interested in driving. Make him EARN that priviledge through good behavior and academic success. Does he want to get a job so he'll have more spending money? Again, he needs to prove that he's capable by bringing up those grades. All kids will work for SOMETHING. What does he want?
 
He has a binder and folders, but refuses to use them. He says he can find things better using his own system of lumping everything together.
Yeah, I've heard that one, but it doesn't stand up to common sense. I've also heard kids say that they tend to make better test grades when they don't study, etc. It's an attempt to avoid something they see as busy work, something they just plain don't want to do.

It's a little late this year to enforce an organizational system, but I'd put my foot down on that one big-time next fall when school starts fresh. I'd insist upon an academic calendar with homework /tests written down -- and perhaps teacher initials every Friday.

He will probably not give in easily, but this is a battle you should fight. Unless he is very, very different from the majority of my own students, I'm 100% certain that lack of organization is one of his biggest stumbling blocks.
 
I'd be interested to hear about this as well. I know DS needs 2 levels of the same language to get into a 4 year college. He is on his 2nd year of French and not doing well with that either. He has trouble with spanish in elementary and I have always wondered if maybe foreign language and math are related in some way. I don't think he could do 4 semesters of foreign language.

That's what they told me back when I had all this testing done. Like someone else said, different colleges might not handle it the same way, so it's something to check out with admissions, or go ahead and call their disability services department when he starts checking out colleges. I went to a state university, so that may have made a difference.

The courses I took in place of the math requirements were NOT cake courses and I still got a well-rounded education.
 
I started attending my step-sons IEP meetings when he was in 2nd grade. I will admit that I had no clue about what the teachers where talking about, I just nodded and agreed. He is now an 8th grader and about to enter HS, you better believe that I have informed myself of the rights my son has and the services that the school MUST provide for him if they are written in his IEP.
The IEP is a LEGAL document that the school must follow. I have learned two magical words from my sons case manager, DUE PROCESS!
I have made several copies of his transitional IEP and I will personally hand a copy to each of his teachers with the modifications pages tabbed and highlighted.
 
I'm a social work student, and last semester I was studying some school social work practices. I think you should talk to your district social worker about Public Law 94-142.

I'm not sure about your particular case, but in some cases the school district can be required to pay tuition to send a handicapped child to the location of another school that better serves their needs. You might have to fight for it, but if it saves you the money and gets him the services he needs, I think it would be worth it.

PL 94-142 is IDEA. The district is not required to pay for summer school. They are required to provide Extended School Year for children with IEP's to work on IEP goals. The goal is to prevent regression and slow recoupment of skills. It isn't to let Johnny retake Biology because he failed it.
 
PL 94-142 is IDEA. The district is not required to pay for summer school. They are required to provide Extended School Year for children with IEP's to work on IEP goals. The goal is to prevent regression and slow recoupment of skills. It isn't to let Johnny retake Biology because he failed it.

Yes.. I know that. ESY is to prevent regression of built up skills. For example most of the ESY students (I have worked this program) are students with limited verbal skills, students working on mobility issues, severly autistic students. My son does not fall into this category so he is "able" to do the work ( or not-- that is his decision).

The drive by the high school that offers summer school may just scare him straight.
 
This isn't really a help, but I think it might be more of an explaination: I teach high school students, and this is a tough time of year for many of them. Why? Because by this point, those who missed the EARLY LESSONS or the BASICS of the course are really stumped with the end-of-the-course, more difficult material -- this is especially true in courses like math, in which the course builds upon prior knowledge. Kids can often skate through or fake their way through the early course material, but it really hits home in the last quarter of the year. And I'm not talking about just kids with IEPs.

Here's the kind of thing I mean:
The student doesn't do all his research, so he's unable to write a research paper.
The student doesn't learn his multiplication tables, so he's completely confused by long division.
The student doesn't learn the scientific method, so he can't write up the report for his science experiment.

This doesn't help even a little this year, but I'd suggest that next year you focus on starting out strong and making 100% sure that he masters all the early material. I suggest that you require him to show you the notes he took in each class every day (and that doesn't mean just copying what's on the board). Often kids THINK they're "getting it" just by listening, but they often don't. High schoolers should be taking notes in every class every day, and a student with attention problems needs to do so more than other students. It'll help keep his focus on the lesson, and the act of writing things down helps them to remember. I can see a big grade difference between my kids who take good notes and my kids who have to be forced to do so.

Outlining chapters in a textbook isn't something that kids LIKE to do, but it does force them to pick out the main topic of the chapter, which is an excellent skill.

If you're inclined to read an old-fashioned, conservative approach to problems with homework and schoolwork, I suggest John Rosemond's Taming the Homework Hassel. (Hope I got that name right.) His advice is sound.

Also, keep in mind that he's probably interested in driving. Make him EARN that priviledge through good behavior and academic success. Does he want to get a job so he'll have more spending money? Again, he needs to prove that he's capable by bringing up those grades. All kids will work for SOMETHING. What does he want?

There is a problem with your logic about mastering the foundations. Kids with LDs may NEVER master some of these. In DS's case, he is not able to memorize basic facts such as multiplication facts. He even has to think hard about addition and subtraction facts. He has been working on these for years and years, but the part of his brain that stores math facts just does not function properly. He can remember other things---he has an ear for music and has taught himself to play guitar and piano. If he hears the definition of a word or hears it used in context once, he knows that word. We are talking 15 yo who tests at a 6th grade level in math, but scores at a 3rd year college student level in vocabulary. With that kind of low level math functioning, concepts like cosine and tangent take a LONG time to understand. DS took algebra last year and failed it with a 60 average. When he took it again this fall, he was able to pull it out with a 72, because he had heard the information over and over at school, at home and in academic strategies.

ALso, my son can't take even the notes on the board. He has a writing disability which affects the speed as well as the legibility of his writing. HIs writing is comparable to the writing of a kindergarten child despite years of occupational therapy and rude teachers telling him to stop being so sloppy. He also has a listening comprehension disability, which means he cannot attend to what is being said if there is any distraction, including him taking notes. So, he can either take notes or listen. So writing things down does NOT help him remember. It helps some kids, but not all. Seeing as his auditory retention is much better than his writing skills, I prefer him to listen. Teacher notes make this possible, but then, teachers give all kinds of excuses why they can't give me teacher notes. Not accusing you of this, I am speaking of his previous and current HS teachers.

My DS is NOT interested in driving. He was eligible to get his learners permit in August, but I had to FORCE him to get it in January. He has driven once with me since then and maybe four times with his dad. He says he does not feel ready and I am proud that he recognizes that.

Because he did well in MS when his accomodations were being met, I don't know that its fair to blame this all on him and take his things away from him. I take things away from him when he is in control of the situation(like being disrespectful), but when his IEP is not being followed, I don't feel I can blame him for not being academically successful.

Marsha
 
One of the first things you need to have in the IEP is that your son gets teacher or peer copy of notes (all notes). My son takes notes in class to keep him engaged in the activity and listening but the notes are useless as you can not read them easily; it would take hours to decipher some of his notes. We also have it in the IEP to get corrected study guides for all tests. He attempts the study guide but the teacher gives me a good copy for studying purposes. The school should provide the laptop. A person suggested to me that I print out the facts about my sons disability (dyspraxia) and take that to the IEP meeting to justify the laptop. It has been written in the past that he can have access to one but that NEVER happens. So, when we meet again right before school starts, I will make sure the IEP states that he will use the laptop daily in english class. Tenth grade is a huge writing year so it will be a nightmare for us. He carries his own flash drive so he can save his work and then continue it at home. I will have to make sure I get the IEP worded correctly so that I can have it enforced when they fail to meet the accommodation (which I know they will as the fail to meet the current ones). Anyway, take the summary of the disability and get them to tell you specifically how they can deny the laptop when the research shows how it impairs. We also use color coded folders (math is blue, science yellow, etc ) year after year. He has a folder for classwork/paper and another one as the homework folder that the TEACHER is to write his hw in everyday. You can have it written that he will turn his hw in daily when prompted. Then eventually scale it back to turning it in 3 of 5 days without prompting etc. BUT, he has to learn a procedure to do this daily so it will stick with him; it won't just be a learned skill overnight.
Hope this helps!
 
As a special ed para, I learned that you must advocate for your child at meetings. The law is on your side and the school is required to meet IEP guidlines. I suggest the following:

1. Ask for more meetings throughout the school year and make sure the school is meeting your child's IEP. The school is liable if they don't. Sometimes a few monthly meetings make the teachers and staff pay more attention to your child's needs because you are the squeaky wheel. You not a pain, you're looking out for your child's best interests.

2. Make sure you change his IEP to allow for modifications to assignments and tests. Make sure they're is staff responsible in assisting him in getting his assignments (using an agenda), giving organizational help, and in helping him learn how to get assignments handed in in a timely manner. This is a challenge for many students.

3. I would make sure his IEP is set by the time he graduates high school. If and when he goes to college. That college will then be responsible for maintaining his IEP. There are some great colleges out there that offer awesome programs for students with IEPs.

Good Luck and stick up for your child and don't give up!
 
There is a problem with your logic about mastering the foundations. Kids with LDs may NEVER master some of these.
You said earlier that you liked the middle school's system because they did stay on a certain subject 'til they "got it". That's what needs to happen here. If he doesn't "get" the material for math test #1, he's not going to be successful on math test #5 -- not when the work builds upon previous work. Not being a math teacher, I don't know what things are typically built into math IEPs, so I can't offer much in the way of specifics.
ALso, my son can't take even the notes on the board.
You're not going to like this: I threw out a number of concrete ideas that've worked over the years with a wide variety of kids with disabilities, and you shot down half of them and ignored the other half. I understand that not knowing the child, I'm sort of shooting in the dark, making guesses about what may help . . . but when a parent rejects everything, it makes me think that the parent wants the class expectations to be excused away (i.e., just give him a passing grade or let him skip certain assignments). The IEP is supposed to give the student the tools with which to be successful -- not to remove expectations.
My DS is NOT interested in driving.
Okay, then what DOES motivate him?
Because he did well in MS when his accomodations were being met, I don't know that its fair to blame this all on him and take his things away from him.
I don't see anything about blaming him or taking anything away from him. I'm suggesting concrete ways that will help him be successful in class.
 
Please try to stay away from avoidance techniques in the IEP - the best thing you can do for your son is advocate for him to be responsible for his own life - getting all these accommodations may help him get good grades in school, but what do those grades show? I know that doesn't sound how I mean it to - try not to focus on his grades, but on getting him the skills he needs to be successful after he is out of school, after you are not in control of his life, when he is responsible for his own well-being.

What is he going to do in the workplace? How is he going to get his job done without all this support? What kind of job would he like, what skills would he need to be successful in that job? That should be the focus of the IEP.

There should be standards set where he is responsible for certain things - if he can't write legibly for the teachers (my daughter's writing used to be described as a mix of chicken scratch and hieroglyphics) then have those assignments typed. His own notes, if he can read them, can be in his own penmanship. Make sure he takes notes even if he gets a second set from the teacher. It's a skill he needs to work on. Have him outline the teacher's notes at home for practice if he needs to just listen in class to absorb the information.

If the work is too complex for him to complete, and he is in honors classes, he needs to be moved to a lower level - That way, he will have the time to grasp the subject at hand, and since the academic part won't be a problem, he can focus on the other stuff, like decoding and organization. Understanding a subject is absolutely useless if you can't apply it when needed. He needs to learn how to use his strengths to overcome his weaknesses (don't we all).
 
You said earlier that you liked the middle school's system because they did stay on a certain subject 'til they "got it". That's what needs to happen here. If he doesn't "get" the material for math test #1, he's not going to be successful on math test #5 -- not when the work builds upon previous work. Not being a math teacher, I don't know what things are typically built into math IEPs, so I can't offer much in the way of specifics. You're not going to like this: I threw out a number of concrete ideas that've worked over the years with a wide variety of kids with disabilities, and you shot down half of them and ignored the other half. I understand that not knowing the child, I'm sort of shooting in the dark, making guesses about what may help . . . but when a parent rejects everything, it makes me think that the parent wants the class expectations to be excused away (i.e., just give him a passing grade or let him skip certain assignments). The IEP is supposed to give the student the tools with which to be successful -- not to remove expectations. Okay, then what DOES motivate him? I don't see anything about blaming him or taking anything away from him. I'm suggesting concrete ways that will help him be successful in class.

I am not rejecting everything, but you said he should do MORE than copying the notes on the board. That was one thing I rejected because it isn't possible. I was pointing out that my child's specific writing disability is one that slows him down so much that he can't even get that much down. In addition, he cannot listen and write at the same time(another disability) which means he would not get what the teacher was saying. He is much better at auditory retention and seeing things worked out than he is at reading his own notes and understanding the concept. He does take notes at times, but teacher notes would take that pressure off him, so he can attend to the teacher. And teacher notes are in his IEP, so professionals feel the same way; I am not trying to remove the expectation that he will do the work; accommodations level the playing field .

He was in a pull out resource math in MS.They cannot stay on a concept until every child gets it in the regular HS classroom. They have to be prepared for the EOC tests, and besides that would not be fair to the kids who got the concept the first time. I have spoken to the special education chair about the possibility of breaking some math classes in half for students who have a hard time with math, IEP or not. DS's high school is on the block schedule, so they have about 4 1/2 months in each class. I was suggesting they offer an Algebra 1a and 1b as an option, so the classes would move slower and the kids would get more repetition. Math, especially, is a subject where concepts build, so not getting one concept will affect your understanding of other concepts. This wouldn't help my son now, but it would help other students who struggle with math.

The only other suggestion I saw was to use driving as motivation. I'm sorry if saying my child is not interested in driving was a rejection. It was simply the truth. I do use other things as motivation(video games, tv).


Please try to stay away from avoidance techniques in the IEP - the best thing you can do for your son is advocate for him to be responsible for his own life - getting all these accommodations may help him get good grades in school, but what do those grades show? I know that doesn't sound how I mean it to - try not to focus on his grades, but on getting him the skills he needs to be successful after he is out of school, after you are not in control of his life, when he is responsible for his own well-being.

What is he going to do in the workplace? How is he going to get his job done without all this support? What kind of job would he like, what skills would he need to be successful in that job? That should be the focus of the IEP.

There should be standards set where he is responsible for certain things - if he can't write legibly for the teachers (my daughter's writing used to be described as a mix of chicken scratch and hieroglyphics) then have those assignments typed. His own notes, if he can read them, can be in his own penmanship. Make sure he takes notes even if he gets a second set from the teacher. It's a skill he needs to work on. Have him outline the teacher's notes at home for practice if he needs to just listen in class to absorb the information.

If the work is too complex for him to complete, and he is in honors classes, he needs to be moved to a lower level - That way, he will have the time to grasp the subject at hand, and since the academic part won't be a problem, he can focus on the other stuff, like decoding and organization. Understanding a subject is absolutely useless if you can't apply it when needed. He needs to learn how to use his strengths to overcome his weaknesses (don't we all).

I'm not concerned with grades, other than whether he is passing and doing his best. I learned early on that his best is not the same as another child's best. C's for him are equivalent to A's for some students as far as the amount of effort he has to put into getting that grade. He really does not have many accomodations---preferential seating, extra time on assignments and tests(to make up for the writing difficulty), and copies of teacher notes. He is not even getting those is the problem. He is taking notes, and knows how to do that. Can you imagine asking a kindergarten student to keep up writing what the teacher is saying though? He has no automaticity in his writing and it is s-l-o-w.

Right now, he is planning on going into computer programming or video game creation and programming. He will need minimal writing to do these jobs, and he can type what writing is necessary. I don't imagine he will have many lectures he needs to take notes on in the workplace;), so notes should not be a big deal. If he is in a job that interests him, that will make a big difference. As one psychologist once said "School is the only time that you are expected to be good at EVERYTHING." We all specialize in what we're good at, and kids with learning disabilities will usually pick careers that include things they are good and and not so much of the things they are bad at.

He has also said he would like to possibly be a teacher to help kids with learning disabilities be successful. He has a few teachers who went the extra mile to do that for him, and they definitely left an impact.

He definitely has to work on organization, and that will be a goal for next year. I also plan on getting him to use a planner, even if it is on his Ipod, so that he knows what is due and when. I will have a meeting in the first few weeks of school to make sure his teachers know his accommodations and what has worked for him in the past. I am going to make sure they are aware that there have been some problems getting the accommodations met in the past and that I'm going to be a little more proactive in that area next school year.

I think it is hard to understand the whole LD child thing if you have not been through it yourself. It is an uphill battle, and I just thank the Lord that my DS does not have more serious disabilities. Other than the ones I have mentioned, he is a normal kid who is very sociable, outgoing, and artistic.:goodvibes
 
I am not rejecting everything, but you said he should do MORE than copying the notes on the board. That was one thing I rejected because it isn't possible.
You also said he can't learn math facts, can't learn math concepts without loads of repetition, can't be motivated by driving . . . obviously, I'm not his teacher, and what I think doesn't matter. My point is that when teachers hear "can't, can't, can't", we get the idea that the parent doesn't want techniques to help the child, but rather wants the child to be excused from the work. Believe me, that's exactly what plenty of people want: Just write down a passing grade and let me move on.

The notetaking in class is a very big deal. One of the biggest things it does is to keep the child's mind from wandering during a lecture. It's a rare student who pays close attention if he already has the notes. Something I've done with great success is have students similar to your son write down what they can . . . and then I trade them that for a set of my notes. This doesn't pressure the student to get every bit written down, but it does push him to work on learning to write down what he hears -- an important skill. I've also allowed students to use the computer to take notes; that excuses them from the handwriting portion of the equation.
Right now, he is planning on going into computer programming or video game creation and programming. He will need minimal writing to do these jobs, and he can type what writing is necessary. I don't imagine he will have many lectures he needs to take notes on in the workplace;), so notes should not be a big deal. If he is in a job that interests him, that will make a big difference.
He's going to need very good math skills for that goal, and he may work on a computer for the majority of the day, but anyone in any professional job must be able to compose his thoughts in writing (or typing -- I don't mean actual handwriting really). While he won't have lectures, he will have business meetings and will need to be able to write out his plans on paper /storyboard before he puts them into the computer program.
He definitely has to work on organization, and that will be a goal for next year. I also plan on getting him to use a planner, even if it is on his Ipod, so that he knows what is due and when.
Organization skills make so many other things fall into place! This really is a battle that must be fought. The average 9th grader doesn't come to high school in posession of good organizational skills, and usually they don't see the point . . . but these things aren't that hard to teach. The planner is an excellent idea. Color-coding notebooks, etc. is also a good thing. The book I recommended before has some excellent suggestions on this topic.
I think it is hard to understand the whole LD child thing if you have not been through it yourself. It is an uphill battle, and I just thank the Lord that my DS does not have more serious disabilities.
I have an excellent understanding of LD children! Although I don't teach inclusion any longer, I probably spent 9-10 years with 9th grade inclusion classes. And my youngest child is borderline LD in math only, so I understand going over and over the same thing, seeing her finally "get it", and it's gone the next day . . . and you start all over again.
 

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