Anyone from Fargo, ND?

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My dh is interviewing for a new position in his company. We were hoping it would take us to Texas, but it looks like the job is in Fargo. Can anyone tell me about it? I grew up in Buffalo, NY and went to college in Boston, so I am not too afraid of the winter (at least it won't be constant rain like it is in Seattle!). I am, however, a little worried...Seattle is so amazingly diverse, and I love how I fit in here. I am a bit of a treehugger. How are the schools? Any good parts of town? Availability of organic food? Any good hiking in the summer? Are there good ethnic food (Indian, Thai) restaurants?

TIA!
 
My apologies if this offends anyone in Fargo - I don't live there but I have been there fairly often since it's only a few hours away.

It's definitely what would be called a "wonderbread" kind of place. Lots of settlers from Scandinavian descent, so you'll find some ethnic restaurants and events representing that part of the world but not a whole lot of other authentic restaurants. It's the middle of the prairies so for landscape you're talking lots of farms, wheat fields, and flat flat land. You're close enough to the badlands in South Dakota for interesting landscape.

It's one of those places that most people move OUT of, not to. Not that there aren't some nice features of Fargo, lots of people here will go down there for weekends but that's mostly for cross-border shopping.
 
I hate to say it = but you will be in for a very rude awakening coming from Seattle, Boston, etc. Fargo is a blip on a map. We used to go there quite often for bowling tournaments, etc. There is nothing to it. I can't say for sure, but I am not thinking (except for maybe the campuses) that it is diverse at all. Very boring, flat landscape. No tall buildings to break up the scenery. Just a very sleepy, "nothing happens here" kind of town. Badlands are still 8+ hours away...so not exactly a day trip. Minneapolis/St. Paul would be a beter option to get out of dodge - I think we are about 3.5 hours away.
 
My dh is interviewing for a new position in his company. We were hoping it would take us to Texas, but it looks like the job is in Fargo. Can anyone tell me about it? I grew up in Buffalo, NY and went to college in Boston, so I am not too afraid of the winter (at least it won't be constant rain like it is in Seattle!). I am, however, a little worried...Seattle is so amazingly diverse, and I love how I fit in here. I am a bit of a treehugger. How are the schools? Any good parts of town? Availability of organic food? Any good hiking in the summer? Are there good ethnic food (Indian, Thai) restaurants?

TIA!

Bird-Mom,

I'm a transplant from Detroit who has lived in Fargo for the past few years. First, read Amberle's and Minnesota!'s posts to get a sense of how outsiders view Fargo. (Side note to Amberle--your post didn't offend me at all! But is Winnipeg that different? I've never been there, but former Winnipegians have told me they moved to Fargo for a better quality of life.)

Fargo's Reputation: The Weather
Moving to Fargo is a big geographic shock. First, the weather. I've lived in various parts of the Midwest and thought I knew winter. Until I moved to Fargo. You know how people say, "It's not the heat, it's the humidity." Well, here they say, "It's not the snow, it's the wind." And winter lasts a long time.

During the summer, which seems short, the Fargo area is beautiful. Bright blue skies, fresh air, lots of bicycling and running. People don't really seem to hike around here--that's the other part of the state. The area is flat, as are the buildings, which reflects our soil, etc. What people tend to do during the summer is travel to what they call "the lakes" during the weekend (Detroit Lakes, Minnesota, but also refers to other regions). The region seems like it really values water activities, hunting, camping, etc., but you have to travel outside Fargo to do so. Most people travel east to Minneapolis for short trips, because Fargo is right at the border; I understand the Badlands are beautiful, but they're across the state.

Because of the extremes in weather, people talk about the weather a lot. It's one of the ways you learn to talk with locals and establish your stret cred. (I still don't have any, as I've missed any extreme winter and the great flood of 1997.)

Fargo and Diversity

Moving to Fargo is also a big culture shock. Here's the good news:

Cultural Events
Fargo is really the Fargo-Moorhead area, which consists of Fargo, West Fargo, and Moorhead, Minnesota. The population is under 200,000 for the region. F-M has three colleges (North Dakota State University, Minnesota State University Moorhead, and Concordia College), which means the area gets a lot of cultural programming. Recent events/personalities: David Eggers, George Carlin, Blue Man Group, Bob Dylan. Our high schools are very strong in terms of musical theatre (and we have university and community theatre, but our high-school productions are very strong in comparison with their peers). We have several theatre companies, an opera, jazz groups, etc.

We have a small, but growing, film festival, blues and country music festivals, and a strong music scene for the 20-something crowd. We've recently added a few wine bars and the prerequisit number of coffee shops (including Starbucks, of course). We do have the "big mall" for the area (Fargo, but also SD and Winnipeg), even if I find it lame, in part because I'm not a big shopper (We're also within 4 hours of the Mall of America.)

Families in Fargo
In terms of quality of living, I'm not sure about the quality of the schools (I'm child-free), but I could find out for you. Like I said, I hail from Detroit--whoo-hoo Tigers!--so I might be warped, but I find F-M incredibly safe. Lots of transplants said they chose to come here because it's a good place to raise children. It's fairly easy to live a healthy lifestyle here--a fair number of parks/greenspace in Fargo-Moorhead, some good biking/running trails, a Marathon in its 3rd year, cross-country skiing.

Diversity
Fargo has also grown a lot, and added a lot of diversity in the area in terms of cultural events if not in terms of population. The university helps, as does the industry in the area. There's a long history of powwows in the area, given our Native American population, but the historic Fargo theatre has started regularly showing Bollywood films (sponsored, in part, by prominent members of our small but growing Indian population).

Can You Be a Foodie in Fargo?
You asked about restaurants/food. We have a small, very small, organic store--Tocchi's. We also have a small African Market, an Asian market, and a food market--these are relatively new stores that reflect F-M's increasing international population. We also have a couple of bread places.

We do have two Indian restaurants, a Thai restaurant, a sushi place, among others. We have the Hotel Donaldson, a restaraunt with an upscale restaurant of American/continental food (upscale for the area), as well some other places. There are no vegetarian restaurants. There's a variety of Mexican places, as we have a small Hispanic population (mostly in Moorhead). The food tends to be mediocre to average, although it's improved a lot since I've been here. If you're a real foodie, you'll find yourself cooking more than going out.

The Wonderbread Reality Check
Now, here's the bad news. Fargo and F-M has a long way to go. Although Fargo the state's biggest city, it's a small town. The F-M area is approximately 95% white. The area is conservative, in many senses of the work beyond the political; you can read the local newspaper, The Fargo Forum, to get a sense of this. (Also, the state politics are often concerned with ND's outmigration or agricultural questions.)

The area's diversity is increasing, thanks to university efforts at recruitment for both faculty and students, an aggressive attempt on the part of industry, and various social services. (We have a growing Sudanese population, for instance.) With the growing population comes tensions, though the general reaction seems supportive of these changes to the F-M community.

Although you can find food here that's not run-of-the-mill, most of the restaurants are bland. I hope you like diners, because there's a lot of them here. And the ethnic food served in restaurants is geared to the local population, which means it's not nearly spicy or adventurous enough for my tastes.

Bottom Line
I'm not a native, and I speak with a metro-area person's biases. To summarize, as an outsider: I think if you visited F-M as a tourist, you might call it quirky or quaint, if you saw the right things. Or you might dismiss it as small and provincial, if just traveling through the area without a specific itinerary. But I'm not convinced that the average tourist would feel compelled to visit the area more than once; I think it's more of a "cross it off my list of places to visit" kind of reaction.

Now that I'm a resident, I've learned to like many things in F-M. But I still haven't learned to love the place or even to call it home. I get tired of people's reactions: 1) "Is Fargo is anything like the movie?" 2) "Do people in Fargo really speak like the characters in the movie?" 3) "I bet you it's cold there" or 4) "I'm sorry."

The scope and quality of those things you seem interested in--or the things I'm interested in, as I'm probably reading my situation into your post--is disappointing. F-M has the same things as a large urban area, but the number (of events, stores, restaurants) is MUCH smaller and the quality (due to lack of competition?) is spotty and generally inferior to those found in metro areas.

And my general assessment of locally produced events (art, music, theatre) is that they're not memorable. The restaurant scene caters to relatively bland taste buds. I often find myself traveling to Minneapolis (3 1/2 - 4 hours away) for culture, food, shopping. (Although, to be frank, I'm often underwhelmed by activities/events/performances Minneapolis, as well. No offense to those in Minneapolis.) I tend to "make do" with events in Fargo, but travel for "real" cultural experiences; I'm not sure it's fair to the area, or if I'm missing out on the area's recent development, but that's my impression.

I have found surprises here that make me smile. I love the restored Fargo Theatre downtown--it's a great place to see a film with some quirky choices in between the extended runs of such films as March of the Penguins. The local chocolatier, Widman's, makes Chippers (chocolate-covered potato chips) and there is Nichole's, a nice pastry shop. The Green Market just opened, more of a deli than grocery, but it looks promising. We do have some solid artists in the area, with summer/fall gallery walks. There are tons of NPR or MPR (Minnesota Public Radio) stations--so that's good. And I live downtown, so I walk to work, to coffee shops, etc.

There are nice people here, as well, and the quality of relationships helps balance my other disappointments. If you and your family moved here, you'd be trading the benefits of a culturally diverse, urban lifestyle for the pleasures of smaller, slower-paced life. It's a trade-off, of course, but one that you could probably make.

I'd be willing to share more information with you, even though I'm afraid I've bombarded you with too much information/opinion already. You can PM me or ask questions here. I wish you and your family the best of luck.
 

dkp - From my perspective Winnipeg is a lot different from Fargo. I actually live in Edmonton now but I'm in Winnipeg every few weeks anyway. DH has lived in Toronto and Hamilton during the time I've known him and I've spent a fair bit of time in those places as well. I would move back to Winnipeg in a heartbeat and can't wait to.

Winnipeg is much more diverse than Fargo both in terms of ethnicity and culture. According to McLean's magazine we're the culture capital of Canada, having more cultural events per capita than anywhere else in the country. Standard of living is quite good. Yes there are problems but that's the same with pretty much any city. There are also lots of opportunities that smaller cities don't have. The biggest drawback is that there are fewer choices for transborder or international flights from Winnipeg than in places like Calgary etc.

I've been noticing the last few years that pricing of most goods isn't all that different anymore between here and the US, especially taking the exchange and duty into account.

I like Fargo, we used to go there every other month. But in comparison to most other cities in the US it's very small-town in comparison. I mentioned that badlands because the OP asked about hiking and that was the closest I could think of that would have some really interesting trails. Not sure what there is for hiking in the Minneapolis area.

There are also lots of nice little casinos in the border area around MN and further into the state. Some not so nice ones, but some that make a nice trip.
 
Thanks all, for the info. Deekaypee, thanks so much for the details. I will definitely be in touch if dh gets this! I think I am in for culture shock, that is for sure. I did grow up in a small town, but it has been years and I like my big cities. I would love something more laid back for my children-somewhere they wouldn't have to worry and would feel safe. I will miss the diversity of the PNW-my dd is one of about 6 white girls in her preschool of 39 students! We do tend to travel a lot, so that will help us when it comes to missing what we can get in the big city.

We love to talk about our weather here too! :lmao: And my dh will be thrilled about the diners! He loves them. I am excited that there is an organic store, no matter how small, and I also found a farm in Moorhead where I could buy organic beef. Now if I could find a midwife to apprentice with, I would be all set. The cost of housing is a big bonus for us-we could never afford to buy here. A house in my neighborhood runs around $450k and around $600k for the school distict we want to live in! :scared1:

We are also excited that Winnipeg isn't too far away. Both of us are lovers of all things Canadian. We frequently go to Vancouver BC, and I spent many weekends going to Toronto when I lived in NY.

Thanks again. The only knowledge I had of the Dakotas is when I drove out here from NY. We drove through SD along I-90 and saw lots of sunflower fields, the Badlands, Mt. Rushmore and Wall Drug. It was summer and the weather was beautiful. I have also seen the movie. ;)
 
Wow, I was going to post that Fargo is a nice town. Yes, it is pretty flat there but the Fargo/Moorhead combo offers quite a bit for people to do. You have the college campuses that also bring in things for people to do. The shopping is reasonable, nice size mall and all the extras like Target, etc. You certainly won't have any traffic issues like you find in Boston. Like others have posted it is a quick jump to Canada so lots to do there, you also have Grand Forks, Bemidji, Duluth and the Twin Cities within a reasonable day trip, approximately the same time it takes to drive about 5 miles in Boston traffic you could end up in any of these cities :rotfl2: .

Winnipeg is considerably larger then Fargo so naturally there are more things to do there--there is a golf course on every corner in Winnipeg but it is just as flat as Fargo. Downtown Winnipeg is very interesting, the buildings are very unique. They have a great zoo there as well.

I have never lived either place but have visited both and they are both nice places to be.
 
Thanks all, for the info. Deekaypee, thanks so much for the details. I will definitely be in touch if dh gets this! I think I am in for culture shock, that is for sure. I did grow up in a small town, but it has been years and I like my big cities. I would love something more laid back for my children-somewhere they wouldn't have to worry and would feel safe. I will miss the diversity of the PNW-my dd is one of about 6 white girls in her preschool of 39 students! We do tend to travel a lot, so that will help us when it comes to missing what we can get in the big city.

We love to talk about our weather here too! :lmao: And my dh will be thrilled about the diners! He loves them. I am excited that there is an organic store, no matter how small, and I also found a farm in Moorhead where I could buy organic beef. Now if I could find a midwife to apprentice with, I would be all set. The cost of housing is a big bonus for us-we could never afford to buy here. A house in my neighborhood runs around $450k and around $600k for the school distict we want to live in! :scared1:

We are also excited that Winnipeg isn't too far away. Both of us are lovers of all things Canadian. We frequently go to Vancouver BC, and I spent many weekends going to Toronto when I lived in NY.

Thanks again. The only knowledge I had of the Dakotas is when I drove out here from NY. We drove through SD along I-90 and saw lots of sunflower fields, the Badlands, Mt. Rushmore and Wall Drug. It was summer and the weather was beautiful. I have also seen the movie. ;)

I am not sure about North Dakota but I do know that in Minnesota you cannot be a midwife without a BA in nursing and a masters in nurse midwifery so you might want to check out the laws in ND if you are considering being a lay midwife.
 
I am not sure about North Dakota but I do know that in Minnesota you cannot be a midwife without a BA in nursing and a masters in nurse midwifery so you might want to check out the laws in ND if you are considering being a lay midwife.

Actually, in Minnesota, direct entry midwifery is legal. The CPM-certified professional midwife-is recognized and legal. In North Dakota, midwifery is legal but not recognized with licensure. I am talking about home birth midwifery. Nurse midwifery is mostly practiced in the hospital or hospital run birth centers. A direct entry midwife gets her education from a non-nursing school and does a certain number of births with an apprenticeship. You can also get the CPM credential through what is called the PEP process where you challenge the test without formal schooling and do the requisite number of births with a preceptor. :hippie:
 
You certainly won't have any traffic issues like you find in Boston. Like others have posted it is a quick jump to Canada so lots to do there, you also have Grand Forks, Bemidji, Duluth and the Twin Cities within a reasonable day trip, approximately the same time it takes to drive about 5 miles in Boston traffic you could end up in any of these cities :rotfl2:.

I cannot express how thrilled I will be to not have traffic to deal with! Seriously, rush hour here is any time except 10a-2p and in the middle of the night!
 
That's true, there's very little traffic to deal with. The biggest irritation is getting caught by the trains and the West Fargo sprawl. You can easily drive to the places mentioned, although I'm not sure I would call Duluth or Minneapolis a comfortable day trip (as in driving out in back)--especially if you have kids.

As the largest city in the state, we do have a pretty substantial medical community. I'm not sure about midwifery, but I wouldn't be surprised to find a community here.

And if I've given the impression that Fargo and the F-M area isn't nice, I'd like to correct that. It is nice and a safe place to live. Remember that my comments reflect who I am: a former urbanite (as well as being child-free, a vegetarian, avid theater-goer, independent film-lover, traveler) who now lives in a smaller city than I imagined I would. And because I'm my previous experiences, some of the things that golfgal rightly notes--the mall, the Target, traffic--tends to be things I either take for granted or overlook. Really, if you're of a mind to, I think you can embrace F-M as a great place to settle down.
 

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