Anyone else's Disney World "expertise" cause them problems?

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Ever feel like your Disney World knowledge gets in the way of your planning/trip? There's a number of times where I think knowing (or obsessing) less would have improved my planning and travels.

1. I had some pixie dust spread on me and DW for our honeymoon during GF's construction-palooza and we were upgraded to the deluxe dining plan and club level! We had annual passes, but had to get a 1 day ticket for the dining plan. Next trip, we wanted to of course use our 1-day tickets, but also HAD (:rotfl:) to book FP+ 60 days out. Days, emails, and phone calls later, they ended up helping us by just refunding the ticket since there was no way to upgrade it to a 6-day ticket without going to the park. So then we just bought new tickets.

2. Same trip, was lucky enough to win early New Fantasyland entry...but only for one person. Obviously this doesn't work on a honeymoon! So several emails and phone calls later, no resolution. Went to ask in the park, and they let us both in at that moment! (Our ticket is was for later in the week) So we got to try BOG and the new fantasyland rides with the CM preview!

3. Got "savvy" and rented DVC points for a trip to Saratoga Springs. Could only book 180 days out for dining, and not 180+10. Hours on the phone and we finally found the "real" (secret) reservation number to link to my account to enable reservations for the trip.

4. I knew that you could "easily" walk from Saratoga Springs to Downtown Disney. Turns out this isn't a good idea when you are on the far side of Saratoga and it's 96° out.

5. Got "savvy" again and rented DVC points for AKV, standard view studio. Before the trip I regretted the decision and knew me and DW would want Savannah view. I was disappointed when we got there and had no view, and they wouldn't even talk to me about paying for an upgrade since I wasn't the member (yes my name was on the reservation).
 
I fell for the walk to Disney Springs from Saratoga in July too. I agree, not a good idea.

As for #5, I am a member and I have been treated just as roughly with bad room assignments.

I've been to WDW lots and lots of times, and I understand less each visit! :)
 
I fell for the walk to Disney Springs from Saratoga in July too. I agree, not a good idea.

As for #5, I am a member and I have been treated just as roughly with bad room assignments.

I've been to WDW lots and lots of times, and I understand less each visit! :)

Mostly had pretty good luck with DVC room assignments. Couple times got a less than desirable room/location my request to change resulted in a good room. One time my "Savannah view" gave me an awesome view of the mysterious but no often elusive power pole! Got changed to a good view. At Saratoga springs got put way out in the boondocks. Requested and got changed to good location. Initially was told I would have to pay a move fee?? Ask to speak to someone about it and they waived it without discussion??

Definitely experience something new each time! Some good, some bad and some confusing!
 
SSR is our home resort and when we stay there we always request rooms in Congress Park because of the short walk to Disney Springs, which has now been made even shorter by the new pedestrian bridge. We also like the small, quiet pool in that area.
 

Mostly had pretty good luck with DVC room assignments. Couple times got a less than desirable room/location my request to change resulted in a good room. One time my "Savannah view" gave me an awesome view of the mysterious but no often elusive power pole! Got changed to a good view. At Saratoga springs got put way out in the boondocks. Requested and got changed to good location. Initially was told I would have to pay a move fee?? Ask to speak to someone about it and they waived it without discussion??

Definitely experience something new each time! Some good, some bad and some confusing!

I have had 14 or so stays with my DVC over the years. Some great, some ok, some terrible. Kidani is my favorite place. I have lots of time shares. It is easy to get screwed on room placements. One must be vigilant. :)
 
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I was disappointed when we got there and had no view, and they wouldn't even talk to me about paying for an upgrade since I wasn't the member (yes my name was on the

And thank goodness! Renters who have gotten "free" view upgrades have resulted in owners being charged for that upgrade!

Book what you want when renting a dvc reservation.
 
I can relate....
I planned the last 2 trips for over a year, researching, planning, ADRs FP etc

With less than 2 months to plan, I decided to surprise DH with a "just the 2 of us" trip.
My "expertise" is driving me nuts!
 
Taking a VERY last min trip..
The deal I made with DH was I would ONLY plan ADRs and fp+.. I agreed i wouldn't do my step by step, min by min, kind of plans.. So far I've kept my word.
Meanwhile my mind is going crazy with all kinds of touring Plans! :rolleyes1I'm doing my best, but I'm not sure im going to make it! :rotfl2:
 
Ever feel like your Disney World knowledge gets in the way of your planning/trip? There's a number of times where I think knowing (or obsessing) less would have improved my planning and travels.

This is going to get wordy but I think worth it..

Yes you are and it really changed when we stopped going the same way. In fact I can comfortably say there would be nothing that could interfere except maybe a phased closing crowd, or medical issue that would impact any trip no matter how short we plan it. Let me share a little insight into the series of events and change of thought that helped achieve this new love for disney and complete change how I vacation now.

Disney is not an obsession for me. I took a few trips with family before I was 10 (first 10 years of WDW opening, basically up to when captain eo first came out). Then I didn't go again until I bought my daughter who was 10 at at time in 2005. For me that trip was very very very unplanned and a little spontaneous because I spent those years working with dotcoms and it wasn't the startup culture it is today. It was long hours especially after the bust so I had a little warning but not a disney planning amount of warning. I bascially picked a hotel and hoped for the best. I viewed that trip as being there was the magic, I didn't need to add anything to make it more magical. Father/daughter in disney having a great time together. Hurricane Katrina almost got in the way but in turn it actually caused the place to be completely empty. We lucked out and everything was walk on, do it all you want, walk into any restaurant and we took advantage of our week. We never saw a crowd until our final saturday and we were there a solid week.

I got hit by the recession pretty bad, found myself out of work for 3 years but recovered fast with a new startup. This also meant a lot a hours and a couple more years before the company grew the employees enough to be able to take off. After missing any family vacations and barely any entertainment except maybe a year holiday splurge and 1 or 2 movies I once again found myself in a spot where I was told I was taking 2 weeks off, there was a bonus for a vacation and my last day in the office was tommorow. So at the end of sept 2014, my daugher who was out of high school and doing college online said why not disney. That night we booked a room, after work the next day we packed and caught a train the next morning. There was no flights available for a couple days so we decided the slower train gave us more time. less than 48 hours I went from no clue when I could vacation to we're on our way to disney with only a room reservation. Someone else was paying so discounts did not matter but I did call up to try to find something (nothing was there). By the time we arrived I had purchased tickets with my mobile phone and we checked in. Very first day my daughter gets run over by a wheelchair and within 2 days she was having trouble just getting to the resort dining options. We took a couple days off for her to rest, I extended the 1 week trip to 2 and started to really learn disney while sitting in the smoking section at the resort with some coffee. I was there so much that I knew every grounds keeper, baggage handler and lifeguard by name.

What I learned in that forced downtime was how to do disney different. I was discovering every night near midnight I could pull out the mde app and find an impossible ADR for lunch or dinner the next day. That would dictate what park we did the next day. For a few more days we made use of a wheelchair to give her the best possible recovery. Her mom was a nurse so I was comfortable consulting with her over the phone that it didn't sound like we should use a doctor but don't wait more than a couple days. Luckily we didn't need one and we had a great trip. Fastpass wasn't so easy to get but this is when we started to close the place down jumping into the hardest to get into ride right before they didnb't let anyone. We found the lines reasonable, the park stayed open for us and we did it all. We also started to focus on being there, looking up and smelling the roses. my daughter ankle restricted some things but we didn't care, we were standing at disney and enjoyed what we could. never rushed, never missing anything, really loving what we did more than any other time in the past.. what I discovered is how to be a local. The goal shouldn't be the whole park, it should be a couple no matter what you can achieve and what ever else you add to it is a bonus. Just sitting down in the central hub with ice cream and coffee is amazing if you let yourself do that. We also made use of the MNSSHP a few times. We've never done a non-summer trip so we were loving a ticketed event, trick or treating in MK together and something we'll never forget..

This was also the first time we did a tour. The crowds were massive, my daughter had limited mobility for most of the trip but she was better. I discovered this new tour, the VIP Ultimate thrills tour. It was pricey but it hit all the we want to do it 1 more time rides. I booked it about a week before we left and it really helped calm my daughter down that she ruined the trip. It let her rest in the room taking advantage to call all her course work for the entire trip done. We ended out trip with a final day of riding everything, vip escorted for a fraction of the full price of a vip tour guide. We still see and talk to the vip tour guides when we see them in the park to this day. This fit us really well and we know if it turns out to be an impossible to ride our favorites trip, that tour is there to try to book and get the good rides only having to deal with epcot ourselves..

We had such a great time that a month later when it was really halloween and since I had time to meet and talk about crowds with all the staff a few days, we decided this was also going to be year we enjoy christmas time. we were back less than 60 days later but only booked it 3 weeks before we left for the week after thanksgiving. Using what I knew about not planning or how to plan as it's happening, we planned it in about an hour. "what is both of our must dos, the list wasnt' that long, we just experienced it different and we had lower needs and more holiday rose smelling to do." We decided to try a new hotel (now our favorite), from that we came up with about 3 adrs that were must do, 3 more than were would likes, and reasonable fastpasses and 3 weeks later after a family thanksgiving at home with the rest of the family, we headed down... The big change on this trip aside from just booking some adrs and fastpasses if we focused the first 4 days to get the must dos out of the way. basically 1 day at each park and the rest of the week we would wing. We plan to continue this trend with the exception that the larger ADR meals we want to push to later in the week when we're a little more tired and ready to sit and eat larger meals.

The trip was great, the holidays were wonderful, we did more than we expected again and never felt rushed. If anything it might have been too much time to fast because we were coming off 12 days there and doing 9 more. We were a little disneyed out and didn't plan to head down in 2015 at all. What changed that was a year long discussion my daughter and I had about how she was thinking she might want to do a disney career. She has heavy anxiety and WDW is her happy place, this sounded good and we looped in her medical care to evaluate the best way to try this out and get her expectations that working is not visiting and living in the area is not vacationing. A friend decided she wanted to take her first trip to WDW (and florida) while this was happening so we ended up saying we're coming too, found a deal that worked for her (free food) and booked our part. Something happened and financially she couldnt' make it but we decided to keep our trip but this time to explore where we might want to live and go around the park looking at it from "do I want to work here" eyes. I won't go into more details, my trip report in my signature was that trip if you want to read what we did and how we did it. I was an up and down trip with some illness, heat exhaustion and my daughter who vacationed the whole summer being ready to be home. It'll offer some insight into how we visit and pivot/plan as we go.

To close, by ignoring some of what we know, being there is the special thing to happen, and changing how we enjoy the place it's now come full circle and our next trip just over a month from now is the apartment hunt for what we hope is a march(easter week) move. I keep the same job (at nyc payrates), she can explore her career, we have a much lower total cost of living and we get to have the theme parks as our neighbors. What's not exciting about that especially with the park wars going on and new things coming. This is our next evolution in how we visit disney by living closer to save money and vacationing elsewhere. Basically flipping our lives around instead of trying to live in a way we can afford to get down to florida more. Mind you it's easier for us because I keep the same job, at the same pay, and florida costs less than nyc to live in so we actually save money just by moving.
 
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Yes the #5 just isn't possible. There is no upgrades with dvc. You can't pay for them. Only uses points, which is why they wouldn't let you.
 
This is going to get wordy but I think worth it..

Yes you are and it really changed when we stopped going the same way. In fact I can comfortably say there would be nothing that could interfere except maybe a phased closing crowd that would impact any trip no matter how short we plan it. Let me share a little insight into the series of events and change of thought that helped achieve this new love for disney and complete change how I vacation now.

Disney is not an obsession for me. I took a few trips with family before I was 10 (first 10 years of WDW opening, basically up to when captain eo first came out). Then I didn't go again until I bought my daughter who was 10 at at time in 2005. For me that trip was very very very unplanned and a little spontaneous because I spent those years working with dotcoms and it wasn't the startup culture it is today. It was long hours especially after the bust so I had a little warning but not a disney planning amount of warning. I bascially picked a hotel and hoped for the best. I viewed that trip as being there was the magic, I didn't need to add anything to make it more magical. Father/daughter in disney having a great time together. Hurricane Katrina almost got in the way but in turn it actually caused the place to be completely empty. We lucked out and everything was walk on, do it all you want, walk into any restaurant and we took advantage of our week. We never saw a crowd until our final saturday and we were there a solid week.

I got hit by the recession pretty bad, found myself out of work for 3 years but recovered fast with a new startup. This also meant a lot a hours and a couple more years before the company grew the employees enough to be able to take off. After missing any family vacations and barely any entertainment except maybe a year holiday splurge and 1 or 2 movies I once again found myself in a spot where I was told I was taking 2 weeks off, there was a bonus for a vacation and my last day in the office was tommorow. So at the end of sept 2014, my daugher who was out of high school and doing college online said why not disney. That night we booked a room, after work the next day we packed and caught a train the next morning. There was no flights available for a couple days so we decided the slower train gave us more time. less than 48 hours I went from no clue when I could vacation to we're on our way to disney with only a room reservation. Someone else was paying so discounts did not matter but I did call up to try to find something (nothing was there). By the time we arrived I had purchased tickets with my mobile phone and we checked in. Very first day my daughter gets run over by a wheelchair and within 2 days she was having trouble just getting to the resort dining options. We took a couple days off for her to rest, I extended the 1 week trip to 2 and started to really learn disney while sitting in the smoking section at the resort with some coffee. I was there so much that I knew every grounds keeper, baggage handler and lifeguard by name.

What I learned in that forced downtime was how to do disney different. I was discovering every night near midnight I could pull out the mde app and find an impossible ADR for lunch or dinner the next day. That would dictate what park we did the next day. For a few more days we made use of a wheelchair to give her the best possible recovery. Her mom was a nurse so I was comfortable consulting with her over the phone that it didn't sound like we should use a doctor but don't wait more than a couple days. Luckily we didn't need one and we had a great trip. Fastpass wasn't so easy to get but this is when we started to close the place down jumping into the hardest to get into ride right before they didnb't let anyone. We found the lines reasonable, the park stayed open for us and we did it all. We also started to focus on being there, looking up and smelling the roses. my daughter ankle restricted some things but we didn't care, we were standing at disney and enjoyed what we could. never rushed, never missing anything, really loving what we did more than any other time in the past.. what I discovered is how to be a local. The goal shouldn't be the whole park, it should be a couple no matter what you can achieve and what ever else you add to it is a bonus. Just sitting down in the central hub with ice cream and coffee is amazing if you let yourself do that. We also made use of the MNSSHP a few times. We've never done a non-summer trip so we were loving a ticketed event, trick or treating in MK together and something we'll never forget..

This was also the first time we did a tour. The crowds were massive, my daughter had limited mobility for most of the trip but she was better. I discovered this new tour, the VIP Ultimate thrills tour. It was pricey but it hit all the we want to do it 1 more time rides. I booked it about a week before we left and it really helped calm my daughter down that she ruined the trip. It let her rest in the room taking advantage to call all her course work for the entire trip done. We ended out trip with a final day of riding everything, vip escorted for a fraction of the full price of a vip tour guide. We still see and talk to the vip tour guides when we see them in the park to this day. This fit us really well and we know if it turns out to be an impossible to ride our favorites trip, that tour is there to try to book and get the good rides only having to deal with epcot ourselves..

We had such a great time that a month later when it was really halloween and since I had time to meet and talk about crowds with all the staff a few days, we decided this was also going to be year we enjoy christmas time. we were back less than 60 days later but only booked it 3 weeks before we left for the week after thanksgiving. Using what I knew about not planning or how to plan as it's happening, we planned it in about an hour. "what is both of our must dos, the list wasnt' that long, we just experienced it different and we had lower needs and more holiday rose smelling to do." We decided to try a new hotel (now our favorite), from that we came up with about 3 adrs that were must do, 3 more than were would likes, and reasonable fastpasses and 3 weeks later after a family thanksgiving at home with the rest of the family, we headed down... The big change on this trip aside from just booking some adrs and fastpasses if we focused the first 4 days to get the must dos out of the way. basically 1 day at each park and the rest of the week we would wing. We plan to continue this trend with the exception that the larger ADR meals we want to push to later in the week when we're a little more tired and ready to sit and eat larger meals.

The trip was great, the holidays were wonderful, we did more than we expected again and never felt rushed. If anything it might have been too much time to fast because we were coming off 12 days there and doing 9 more. We were a little disneyed out and didn't plan to head down in 2015 at all. What changed that was a year long discussion my daughter and I had about how she was thinking she might want to do a disney career. She has heavy anxiety and WDW is her happy place, this sounded good and we looped in her medical care to evaluate the best way to try this out and get her expectations that working is not visiting and living in the area is not vacationing. A friend decided she wanted to take her first trip to WDW (and florida) while this was happening so we ended up saying we're coming too, found a deal that worked for her (free food) and booked our part. Something happened and financially she couldnt' make it but we decided to keep our trip but this time to explore where we might want to live and go around the park looking at it from "do I want to work here" eyes. I won't go into more details, my trip report in my signature was that trip if you want to read what we did and how we did it. I was an up and down trip with some illness, heat exhaustion and my daughter who vacationed the whole summer being ready to be home. It'll offer some insight into how we visit and pivot/plan as we go.

To close, by ignoring some of what we know, being there is the special thing to happen, and changing how we enjoy the place it's now come full circle and our next trip just over a month from now is the apartment hunt for what we hope is a march(easter week) move. I keep the same job (at nyc payrates), she can explore her career, we have a much lower total cost of living and we get to have the theme parks as our neighbors. What's not exciting about that especially with the park wars going on and new things coming. This is our next evolution in how we visit disney by living closer to save money and vacationing elsewhere. Basically flipping our lives around instead of trying to live in a way we can afford to get down to florida more. Mind you it's easier for us because I keep the same job, at the same pay, and florida costs less than nyc to live in so we actually save money just by moving.

Thank you so much for taking the time to share this. What a fantastic perspective! We are lucky to live in Orlando and don't have to keep a frantic pace that so many visitors have to have in order to see and do everything. But I have seen many a frantic family rushing thru the day at Disney to get all they can out of it. :)

Best wishes for your location changes, it is so exciting to make moves when you are not going to be financially strapped in doing so. :)
Tracey
 
I have become the Disney person in my group of friends. They all come to me help plan their vacations. However my trip next week is causing me a bit of anxiety because I only planned out the first half of the trip. At the request of DH I haven't planned days 4-7. So we can wing in. Ahhhh! But we need FP+! And to use extra magic hours ... This is making all my Disney knowledge haunt me. It's his first trip so he is like "just relax and go with the flow". Ahhhh!
 
I do find myself (an admitted planning junky) planning things way too much. We were at WDW just before Christmas and we had a blast. I will say now that we have done most things at WDW I would like to take a slower pace through all the parks instead of racing from one FP to another, or to dinner, or to fireworks, or the transportation, etc etc. Our kids are teens now and still LOVE all things Disney, I know I'm looking ahead to time when they don't want to or can't go to Disney because of their own lives. I'm hoping DW and I can take a couple of trips to WDW to do things a bit more leisurely. At least times and things we haven't done before like the Food and Wine Event at EPCOT. Being a planner is good and bad, though I fear once a planner always a planner!
 
My smart *** thought it a good idea this past July to try and make the walk from OKW to Disney Springs.....everything was working great till i took a left at the tree house villas like a dumb ***....2 hours later and a massive downpour, I made it back to OKW
 
I also think my knowledge is actually a good thing, because it allows us not to obsess on things....we have been so many times that we sort of practice the "if we get to it, we get to it" mentality....this allows us to make brief stops in different park to hit a couple of things at a time, and not worry about wasting a whole day or two just hanging at the pool....we will get to it next time
 
In some ways I think it can as you know more "tricks" or more "the best spot to see show X" or something and then if you aren't able to do that you could feel upset - whereas if you didn't know that you wouldn't be upset .... but I think the positives far outweigh the negatives

The one area I think it does impact me is that I am more into planning, etc. than others (friends, co-workers, etc.) and I tend to get upset if they don't take their planning more seriously.

"What do you mean you are 2 weeks away from your trip to Walt Disney World and haven't made any ADRs?!?!?!?!? No you can't just walk up for dinner at Cinderella's Royal Table!!!"
 
Knowledge is a great thing. Where people get in trouble is (ironically enough when talking about DW) separating fantasy from reality. Use your knowledge to adjust to the inevitable issues that you will come across and accept the fact that your actual vacation will not be the one you visualize in your head a year earlier. This will be our third family trip. My agenda I typed up for our first trip is a lot different than the one I have for this one. Namely, because the only things I really have scheduled are some ADRs. What we do around them is really up to how the wind blows. We are an early rising family, so rope drop is no problem. But for some people, rope drop would be agony. So why force that one yourself or your family just because you know that it's a great tactic? Despite all my planning that first year, what did we end up doing? We busted out the Unofficial Guide the night before and then made our touring plan. We adjusted on the fly based on the ever-changing expectations. I'll probably do something similar this trip. We went with the park hopper option this year, so that will make us even more flexible. I too would like the luxury of enjoying some of those 'magic' moments where you don't really have an agenda and you're just taking it all in. It's another reason why I like to hit Magic Kingdom on arrival day. No agenda, no requirements. We just walk around, hop on whatever is available, have a nice dinner, and then head to the condo. So, in the end, the knowledge is valuable. That doesn't get in the way. It's a need for everything to be structured and perfect that might ruin things.
 


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