Anyone else upset about gov't response

Stocks of water & MRE's are not that much to ask for....
They had them stockpiled at the Super Dome. 5 Million more are on their way. Also, if you remember, after the storm passed the initial reports were that NO had been "spared". News reports were that insurance companies were "high 5'ing" each other because it "wasn't that bad". I think people "relaxed" for about 24 hours when things took a very bad turn with the levies.

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When the Tsunami struck the U.S. sent volunteers, supplies and $$$$. If I'm not mistaken we were there within 24 - 48 hours. And we can't even help our own people here in the U.S. after 4 days???

Anyone wondering where the other countries are and why they aren't jumping in to help the way we always seem to send help???
 
DawnCt1 said:
We are in much better shape as a country since 2001. We have made vast improvements in disaster preparedness. We now know where every empty bed in every hospital is in the country.
Knowing where they are & getting the people that need them the most to those beds obviously is a whole 'nother issue!
 
Geoff,
I don't pretend to have the answers and I stated in the original post that I don't know what could have been done.

I know steps are being taken to get things going in the right direction, and that's great; but I still feel that someone dropped the ball as far as getting help to the stranded.

Unfortunately analysis after the fact won't do these people any good.
 

...but I still feel that someone dropped the ball as far as getting help to the stranded.
I feel your frustration, but unless some one can point to actions that could have reasonably taken place and were logistically possible... getting mad at people doesn't make logical sense. You can't just say "People should have done something!" or "They should have gotten troops in there sooner!" What? How? Staged from where?
 
eeyoresmountainpals said:
When the Tsunami struck the U.S. sent volunteers, supplies and $$$$. If I'm not mistaken we were there within 24 - 48 hours. And we can't even help our own people here in the U.S. after 4 days???

Exactly! Why is that? I live in Oklahoma - about a 12 hour drive from NO. I could have gotten in my car, gone to a store & stocked up & been to NO by now. How much planning would it take to do that with a few semi's? There are food distribution centers (think WalMart, IGA, etc.) all over this country! I understand the quandry about finding transportation & shelter for 20,000 people. I DON'T understand not being able to get them water & food.

People seem to point to the NO mayor & LA mayor for not "asking" for help sooner. At what point do we determine that they are overwhelmed & not managing this by themselves? I understand that we can't put the Army/Navy etc. without request from the state - fine, don't put them in there as the security force (martial law) - but put some convoys together & get some supplies to those suffering.
 
When the Tsunami struck the U.S. sent volunteers, supplies and $$$$. If I'm not mistaken we were there within 24 - 48 hours. And we can't even help our own people here in the U.S. after 4 days???
For staters, the tsunami as bad as it was, on average only extended a couple 100 yards inland... and the water departed in most places in a few hours. There was still plenty of infrastructre left to receive the swift assistance.
 
I thought you might appreciate the point of view of someone who is actually involved in the hurricane situation. We live in southwestern Alabama. We have had an incredible amount of damage here, too, although not on the massive scale you're seeing on television.

Every year, on June 1st or thereabouts, we get the checklist of things to get together for hurricane season. It's in the paper, it's on TV. Every year, over and over, and over. It's not like these things just sneak up on us. We're reminded EVERY Year what to do, how to prepare. Plywood, masking tape, etc. Bottled water, batteries, flashlights, medicine, non perishable food, diapers, formula, etc . The list goes on and on. When it looks like a hurricane is heading this way, we're reminded again. We go out and get all this stuff and hope for the best. Sometimes we need it, more often not. We have been affected by Ivan, Arlene, Cindy, Dennis, and Katrina just since last September. I mean right here in Alabama, not florida and not mississippi, although they were also hit hard, especially the florida panhandle. Each time, we gather the supplies, board up the windows, and in some cases, we evacuate. Not everyone can afford to do that. Thousands of people go to shelters, and they are told to bring food, water, diapers, formula, medicine, and enough supplies for each person in their group to last at least 5 days.

After the storm passes, the cleanup begins. Please, please understand that it's not possible to reach people, sometimes for days. And I mean under "normal" post hurricane conditions. There are trees on houses, across driveways, we get blocked in our homes, live power lines cross roads, houses, cars. There are no phones, no power, no supplies, no gasoline. Think about it. An average hurricane is devastating enough. What has just happened is so overwhelming that you cannot begin to fathom it as you sit and watch it on your television.

Relief efforts are coming.In some cases they are already on the ground. But you have to understand that they cannot get to us. It is not humanly possible. It's not physically possible. We are eating out of cans--the supplies we were TOLD to stock up on, which we did. We are using our coleman stoves and our grills or in some cases, eating dry cereal out of the box. New orleans has been warned for 40 years what would happen if a cat 4 or 5 hurricane hit. No one could prepare for a disaster on this scale. We have spent days clearing debris from our homes and yards, off our houses. It is a long, slow, drawn out process even in the best of circumstances. But People have to take a little responsibility for sustaining themselves for the first few days.
 
How is that the MEDIA and Harry Connick Jr. can get in to tour N. Orlean....yet water and food can't?? That is what is baffling my mind.
 
I'm not mad. I'm upset and frustrated. It's not my job to know what actions could have been taken place. I don't think people should have done something, I think the agencies that are suppossed to take care of disasters in this country should have been able to respond quicker. I may be wrong but this is what I believed.

As I stated, I'm not political, I'm not a debater, I really hardly ever express my opinion because I don't like to rock the boat but this situation, for reasons I don't fully understand, has truly upset me.
 
I agree that people should be ready in the event of a hurricane. However, how can all of the supplies in the world help when there is water up to the roof of your house? What can you do when you have to go to the Superdome and can only carry limited supplies which runs out after a day or two?

I also wonder why no one can airlift supplies in via copter or boat when there is media all over the city.

And what about other areas that got slammed and aren't waterlogged? I hear that their pleas for help aren't being answered yet either.
 
That is what is baffling my mind.
Harry's a lot smaller than food and water for 50,000 people. Harry also didn't go around and visit all of the people stuck in NO. Again, think about the logistics angle.
 
I am not a political exxpert. I don't always understand what is the responsibllity of the local governments, the federal goverment, FEMA, all those energy groups etc etc etc...........but I do know that it is criminal the way the people of Louisiana are being treated. Everyone with a TV knew the hurricane was coming............and Lousiana was supposidly not a direct hit!!?
Here it is 4 days later and people are dying from dehydration, malnutrition, lack of medicine.........they're living in sewer-like conditions.
No, I don't condone looting-----but I'll tell you what-----given a choice between having lost EVERYTHING.......no water, no food, no diapers, no gas, not even an aspirin for the monster headache I know I would have...........and watching my family suffer...........without any sign of help??? I'd be looting too.
Heck if all these news reporters and their newscres and their TV lights and camera can get in------why can't anyone get food, water, medicine in????
 
Military troops are dropping food and water...

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Free4Life11 said:
How is that the MEDIA and Harry Connick Jr. can get in to tour N. Orlean....yet water and food can't?? That is what is baffling my mind.

EXACTLY what I have been wondering all along!!!

How are all these Media crews surviving? Surely they must have food and water. What about the media helicopters?? Hello, can't they drop in food and water??
 
Heck if all these news reporters and their newscres and their TV lights and camera can get in------why can't anyone get food, water, medicine in????
Will someone please tell me where this notion that there is no food or drinking water in NO is coming from? It's there... the problem is the logistics of GETTING it to all the people. Remember, 80% of the city is submerged. They just can't drop it all around the city.
 
mjtm610 said:
------why can't anyone get food, water, medicine in????

"Logistics" apparently. :confused3

Somehow the Salvation Army got their truck into the city...not sure why others can't. The busses that have come in should have been loaded to the brim with water.
 
Geoff_M said:
Will someone please tell me where this notion that there is no food or drinking water in NO is coming from? It's there... the problem is the logistics of GETTING it to all the people. Remember, 80% of the city is submerged. They just can't drop it all around the city.

Ok, well on TV they have been showing images of MASSIVE crowds shouting "HELP HELP HELP." Somehow the media crews are getting in to shoot this...if they can get in, trucks with food and water should be able to get in!

You say they can't drop water all over the city....we're not talking all over the city. We are talking about the few areas where people are massively congregating. They showed images of them dropping water from a helicopter...so apparently it is possible.
 
angelina said:
I thought you might appreciate the point of view of someone who is actually involved in the hurricane situation. We live in southwestern Alabama. We have had an incredible amount of damage here, too, although not on the massive scale you're seeing on television.

Every year, on June 1st or thereabouts, we get the checklist of things to get together for hurricane season. It's in the paper, it's on TV. Every year, over and over, and over. It's not like these things just sneak up on us. We're reminded EVERY Year what to do, how to prepare. Plywood, masking tape, etc. Bottled water, batteries, flashlights, medicine, non perishable food, diapers, formula, etc . The list goes on and on. When it looks like a hurricane is heading this way, we're reminded again. We go out and get all this stuff and hope for the best. Sometimes we need it, more often not. We have been affected by Ivan, Arlene, Cindy, Dennis, and Katrina just since last September. I mean right here in Alabama, not florida and not mississippi, although they were also hit hard, especially the florida panhandle. Each time, we gather the supplies, board up the windows, and in some cases, we evacuate. Not everyone can afford to do that. Thousands of people go to shelters, and they are told to bring food, water, diapers, formula, medicine, and enough supplies for each person in their group to last at least 5 days.

After the storm passes, the cleanup begins. Please, please understand that it's not possible to reach people, sometimes for days. And I mean under "normal" post hurricane conditions. There are trees on houses, across driveways, we get blocked in our homes, live power lines cross roads, houses, cars. There are no phones, no power, no supplies, no gasoline. Think about it. An average hurricane is devastating enough. What has just happened is so overwhelming that you cannot begin to fathom it as you sit and watch it on your television.

Relief efforts are coming.In some cases they are already on the ground. But you have to understand that they cannot get to us. It is not humanly possible. It's not physically possible. We are eating out of cans--the supplies we were TOLD to stock up on, which we did. We are using our coleman stoves and our grills or in some cases, eating dry cereal out of the box. New orleans has been warned for 40 years what would happen if a cat 4 or 5 hurricane hit. No one could prepare for a disaster on this scale. We have spent days clearing debris from our homes and yards, off our houses. It is a long, slow, drawn out process even in the best of circumstances. But People have to take a little responsibility for sustaining themselves for the first few days.


Thanks for posting. I think that it is impossible to even imagine the extent of the damage and the logistics in dealing with such devastation and on such a large scale. Thanks for putting that in perspective. You need to know that the rest of the country truly cares. In Ct. the volunteer Red Cross Classes are full and buses will be coming south with help.
 
Somehow the Salvation Army got their truck into the city...not sure why others can't. The busses that have come in should have been loaded to the brim with water.
Again... the trucks can get to parts of the city. Getting to out to all the people from there, and communicating to people where do find it is another issue.
 


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