Anyone else miss the challenge of the old fast passes?

[cakebaker]

Something tells me that the multiple magic band abuse is going to make the legacy FP machine jiggle look like small potatoes. I think a lot of people are going to use their old MB's once they discover they can obtain unlimited FP+'s. So the fair and equitable system known as FP+ will be even more corrupt than Legacy ever was!

I think it's a little early to worry about that just yet. I'm confident that at least by the time it rises to the level of really affecting the supply of SDFP's, Disney will put in a fix. They rarely let rampant abuse go for long. I think it's a very few people doing this right now. I'm sure it will grow and the sooner the better as far as I'm concerned. Disney will not fix something that, while annoying to guests in the sense that someone is getting something they're not entitled to, doesn't really impact the system all that much.

 

[Robo]

So at last someone has been able to come forward with a real, honest-to-goodness FP- loophole. And it was plugged to promote fairness. So very odd that today's version of fairness and equality allows for a much larger loophole in distribution that goes unchecked.

The machine issue was a "hardware" fix.

The current FP+ loophole requires a "software" fix,
and from what we see with the software, they just may be
afraid to try to change something in the tenuously-operating current system.

 

[cakebaker]

So at last someone has been able to come forward with a real, honest-to-goodness FP- loophole. And it was plugged to promote fairness. So very odd that today's version of fairness and equality allows for a much larger loophole in distribution that goes unchecked.

There are more- there was a time when virtually any magnetic strip card would issue a fp. I'd have to spend time I don't care to spend searching for them to refresh my memory as we never actually used any of them, but there were several ways of obtaining virtually unlimited paper fp's.

 

[JimmyV]

There are more- there was a time when virtually any magnetic strip card would issue a fp.

Was the situation addressed by Disney?

 

[JimmyV]

A post from 2003. Seems like Disney was on top of things.

When I was there in May, we were waiting just inside the gate at MGM for the rest of our party to arrive. My BIL was with us, but his family hadn't arrived at the park yet, and he had the passes, so he went to TOT and RNR and got fast passes with his families park hopper passes. The FP machine did allow him to get passes even though they hadn't been used for entry into the park yet. When he came back to the turnstiles where his family met him to get their passes and they tried to put them through to gain entrance, they were rejected. The CM told them they had already been used that day and couldn't be used to get in. He must have thought that they were trying to get more people in on the same passes. When my BIL told him what he had done, he got a stern lecture (which he deserved) and was told to never do that again. I am afraid if you use your park hopper passes, they will use up a day of park entrance for you. Maybe it has changed since then and you can't get FP if it hasn't been used for your entrance. It almost cost him alot more money than it was worth, if he had to pay for the rest of his family to get in!!

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Money is not an issue for her. Standing in the least amount of lines is. None of the calculations above matter to her. She has one day, with no planning ahead of time, and wants her teenagers to get the maximum amount of rides in that they can with 0-little wait times. FP+ cannot compete with express pass in this kind of scenario.

If money is not an issue and she desires to do Disney, then a VIP tour would suit her perfectly.

 

[cakebaker]

Was the situation addressed by Disney?

I'm not terribly familiar with the subject. As I said, we never used it. I didn't spend a lot of time researching details. This apparently worked when fp was first introduced, for how long that lasted, I don't know. Then when they introduced the rfid enabled tickets, the hack was back on. Based on the the forum where they were discussing it that I saw, it had to have been going on for at least 6 months because the thread was active for that long. I don't think Disney ever fixed the 2nd hack but that may have been because they knew fp+ was coming.

Had they not done fp+, I'm sure they would have.....eventually, since that kind of hack could have had a massive impact on the most popular rides, and quickly. This new trick is fairly recent, it's a new system and as I said, the problem has to be big enough to worry about first. We aren't talking about this reducing the availability of the big rides- this is sdfp.

 

[JimmyV]

We aren't talking about this reducing the availability of the big rides- this is sdfp.

But with the exception of certain limited experiences, like A&E, parades and fireworks, the big rides are available for sdfp. Or at least we are being told that. To the extent they are, they will be gone by 10:00 a.m. for sure by people hacking away with extra MBs. I'd call that a problem big enough to worry about.

 

[DisneyFive]

Uh oh, a new acronym to me. Guessing, but is sdfp Same Day Fast Pass? If so, is that same day as in park open, or same day as in, after you've already used your 3 other FP's.

Dan

 

[JimmyV]

If so, is that same day as in park open, or same day as in, after you've already used your 3 other FP's.

I think those two things are the same.

• Guest #1 is a Luddite who has not done any pre-planning and heads to a kiosk when the park opens. He makes his FP reservations.
• Guest #2 pre-planned and made FP reservations in advance and uses all three by 2:00 p.m. and goes to the kiosk to make a fourth.
• Guest #3 pre-planned and has a baggie full of extra MBs. She goes straight to a kiosk when the park opens to lock in as many FPs as possible.

I think all three people are making SDFP if I understand the term correctly.

 

[Cormoran]

I think those two things are the same.

• Guest #1 is a Luddite who has not done any pre-planning and heads to a kiosk when the park opens. He makes his FP reservations.
• Guest #2 pre-planned and made FP reservations in advance and uses all three by 2:00 p.m. and goes to the kiosk to make a fourth.
• Guest #3 pre-planned and has a baggie full of extra MBs. She goes straight to a kiosk when the park opens to lock in as many FPs as possible.

I think all three people are making SDFP if I understand the term correctly.

Just a quick question: Why are the first 2 guests male and the third guest who is taking advantage of the huge loophole female? Do you regard women as being more devious than men?

 

[JimmyV]

Just a quick question: Why are the first 2 guests male and the third guest who is taking advantage of the huge loophole female? Do you regard women as being more devious than men?

Actually, #1 is male, #3 is female and #2 is neutral. No particular reason other than to create balance.

 

[DisneyFive]

I think those two things are the same.

• Guest #1 is a Luddite who has not done any pre-planning and heads to a kiosk when the park opens. He makes his FP reservations.
• Guest #2 pre-planned and made FP reservations in advance and uses all three by 2:00 p.m. and goes to the kiosk to make a fourth.
• Guest #3 pre-planned and has a baggie full of extra MBs. She goes straight to a kiosk when the park opens to lock in as many FPs as possible.

I think all three people are making SDFP if I understand the term correctly.

Thanks for the reply, I wasn't too clear. I was looking at it from the perspective of FP availability for SDFP's at park open, versus later in the day. The reason I ask is because I'm trying to figure out what to prebook for FP at MK mainly, and what might be available after I've used my 3. Kinda a strategy thing. Most likely our 3 will be used by 2pm, and wondering if BTMRR, Splash, or Space will likely still have availability. Is there a thread going on discussing something like that?

Dan

 

[Laketravis]

Actually, #1 is male, #3 is female and #2 is neutral. No particular reason other than to create balance.

A neutered guest. Interesting.........


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[Cormoran]

Actually, #1 is male, #3 is female and #2 is neutral. No particular reason other than to create balance.

I was teasing.
You know, the great advantage for #3 is she can book the parades and Fireworks for her reserved FP's and then get the headliners from the Kiosks on her touring day? That reminds me, does anyone have any extra magic bands they're not using?

 

[cakebaker]

But with the exception of certain limited experiences, like A&E, parades and fireworks, the big rides are available for sdfp. Or at least we are being told that. To the extent they are, they will be gone by 10:00 a.m. for sure by people hacking away with extra MBs. I'd call that a problem big enough to worry about.

They aren't gone yet- so it's not showing itself is it? I simply don't believe it's a good use of time to wring my hands and worry over something that has not yet happened. I remember a few months back I was gone after pretty good for simply suggesting that the test at TSMM was not an indication that it was going FP+ only- darned if it didn't and all that worrying was for nothing.

Right now all we see is that availability is getting better- SDMT was near impossible to get inside 30 days or less. Not it's just not a problem. There was a time when SDFP were out very quickly, many rides were booked up days and weeks in advance. Now, it's just A&E that I'd put on the really tough to get list. So the extra bands are not yet that big an issue.

Btw- looks like we can take Wishes off the hard to get list now that they've opened both viewing areas. There is availability as soon as next week.

 

[Laketravis]

I was teasing.
You know, the great advantage for #3 is she can book the parades and Fireworks for her reserved FP's and then get the headliners from the Kiosks on her touring day? That reminds me, does anyone have any extra magic bands they're not using?

I got tons of them. And I'm sitting here wondering why a company that pays so close attention to slivers of profit margins would continue to incur the expense of supplying and shipping those darn things when they themselves have the data as to how many sets you already have - I've got two MDE accounts (that I remember) and each one shows a half dozen sets of Magic Bands per person and "active".

All they have to do is check their own database prior to fulfillment and if there is already an active band for that person the process stops there.

But they don't. Weird. Somebody needs to wake up the bean counters.


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[DisneyFive]

Btw- looks like we can take Wishes off the hard to get list now that they've opened both viewing areas. There is availability as soon as next week.

Perhaps because people just don't know it's available yet. That area now being open is such a new development. Love that FP+ area.

Dan

 

[caseykasem99]

Something tells me that the multiple magic band abuse is going to make the legacy FP machine jiggle look like small potatoes. I think a lot of people are going to use their old MB's once they discover they can obtain unlimited FP+'s. So the fair and equitable system known as FP+ will be even more corrupt than Legacy ever was!

Would you mind elaborating? I have quite a few extra MB's lying around and am heading up tomorrow for a day trip I live a few hours away, and would be interested and testing loopholes while im there.

 

[Laketravis]

Would you mind elaborating? I have quite a few extra MB's lying around and am heading up tomorrow for a day trip I live a few hours away, and would be interested and testing loopholes while im there.

Basically, bands that you have that are NOT associated with the MDE account of the band you used for park admittance will work at the FP+ Kiosks to get same-day FP's.


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