Anybody seen a dog being smuggled into the resort in a baby carriage? We did!!

[PrincessDez]

You should see the problem we have on the plane just getting passengers to leave the animals in their kennels. I got tripped one night by a runaway dog (it was dark in the cabin) not to mention it scared the bejebbers out of me since I had no idea what it was running between my feet.

OK, that would have scared the 'poo poo' out of me!
Maybe all of the pets need to put their owners in kennels..........

 

[BamaFan121s]

I don't mean to be argumentative, but who "Certifies" the animals? I would bet it's the training facility. That really means nothing legally.

What is DOES mean is that the animal actually was trained successfully in various aspects, including but not limited to the performing the specific service provided, behavior, temperament, functioning in public settings, etc. ESA's are not required to complete this training. That means nothing? In some special instances (not neccessarily Disney related), you can be required to prove that the animal is a service animal vs an ESA, so in that instance, it does mean something. confused:

I don't know about that. Maybe someone with an ESA could chime in here. Why even have an ESA if you can function without one, KWIM?

Thus why I said MOST...as in, not all of them. The ability to function without one...although maybe not as smoothly...is one of the main factors that is the difference in the classification of ESAs vs SAs.

And I AM speaking as someone who DOES own a ESA. She does not render a service to me, but was previously a nursing home ESA before coming to reside with me....I guess you could say she is a retired ESA. In any case, I am well aware of the emotional benefits (thus the name) they can provide.

 

[BamaFan121s]

Maybe I don't have to find a pet sitter after all! Can you just see us trying to smuggle in two basset hounds?!!!

Ha...that is laughable. I have ONE Basset and she is a handful. You couldn't smuggle one in. The first scent of one of the many rabbits, their 'hound instincts' would turn them into baying, howling lunatics. (And that could be from across the resort!)

 

[blondemom]

I'm a nurse and a family member came to visit my patient. They had their dog (I don't know breeds, etc., but it was one of those little tiny ones) wrapped up in a pink baby blanket with a cap on it as if it was a newborn infant. I did not even think twice as I saw the family with the "baby" walk past me until I received a call from the recovery room. Apparently this same family was trying to smuggle the dog into the recovery room in the patient's daughter's purse! They told me to watch out for the family. Although security escorted the family out of the hospital and told them they could return without their pet, they still decided to try to pull one over on us. I ended up having a very heated conversation with them about having a pet in the hospital. I understand that some people are attached to their animals. I have an adorable boxer, but she is my pet, not my child. I treat her and love her as the animal that she is. I ended up having to have security come, yet again, to remove the family. It made me feel terrible, but pets are not allowed in our hospital. A day later, however, a blind family member and his service dog came to visit a patient. This is completely legal and accepted anywhere a service dog is needed.

Regarding the pet allergies, there are quite a few people in my children's school that have severe allergies to animals. Despite the signs all over the school grounds - both in and out - their are still people who insist on carrying their dogs to pick up their children. While most onlookers find them cute and sweet, others are bothered by allergies where reactions can occur even if they are not standing next to the animal. What I'm suggesting is that people should be respectful of rules. Instead of thinking rules are put into place to inconvenience you, (not you - hypothetically speaking!) perhaps realize that there is more at stake than that. No matter how many signs are around asking dog walkers to clean up after their pets, I still find a weekly gift on my lawn. I'm tempted to hide on my porch with my hose ready to wet down the offensive dog walker - not the dog because he cannot clean up after himself!

Again, people will do what they want to do. People will continue to break rules and justify it in some ways. However, if Fido is visiting the Magic Kingdom the same day as me, he better darn well pay the same admission price as me. It's getting steep.



Have a happy day!

 

[PrincessDez]

What is DOES mean is that the animal actually was trained successfully in various aspects, including but not limited to the performing the specific service provided, behavior, temperament, functioning in public settings, etc. ESA's are not required to complete this training. That means nothing? In some special instances (not neccessarily Disney related), you can be required to prove that the animal is a service animal vs an ESA, so in that instance, it does mean something. confused:

I have been to the local training facility in our area. (We were thinking of adopting a "rejected" dog). It is simply amazing how well trained these dogs are! They can be rejected for the very slightest reason. I would believe that once they pass the training program they are automatically certified and would fully support that. They are truly amazing animals. They are better behaved then most children (especially kids with heeley's ). Anyhow, they are incredible dogs and I totally respect the service they provide.

 

[robinb]

Thus why I said MOST...as in, not all of them. The ability to function without one...although maybe not as smoothly...is one of the main factors that is the difference in the classification of ESAs vs SAs.

This is starting to be a chicken and the egg argument.

 

[BamaFan121s]

This is starting to be a chicken and the egg argument.

LOL...you are right...more opinion than fact, I suppose.

(Not to mention waaaaay off the original topic. )

 

[skater]

Did you notify Disney of the infraction? Or sit by and let it happen? If you chose to do nothing, then why bring it up here?

Ummm... Because its a discussion forum? Where else can we have fun discussing the crazy things we've seen at Disney?

 

[garydeb]

Please don't smuggle your animals in to WDW. I am one that has severe allergries to dogs and cats. I would be spending my vacation in the hospital. I know that Service Dogs are allow and I avoid them. I always remind hotels that I stay in that my room has to be animal free and so far this has help me avoid problems. I love animals but they don't love me.

-Debbie

 

[mickeysaver]

I saw a dog in a stroller at the MK on before we left on 11/03. The dog was more of a collie kind of dog. It was in an older model baby stroller. There was a lady in a wheelchair and someone else with her as well as the stroller with the dog. The dog was a service animal, but was older and not up to all of the walking, so they had it in a stroller to help it make it through the day. The dog had the proper type of harness and stuff, so I didn't question it.

Personally, I do wish that WDW would make room to allow pets to be a part of our vacation, other than just dumping them at the kennel. I would love to see them open a pet resort on property. Maggie

 

[robinb]

LOL...you are right...more opinion than fact, I suppose.

(Not to mention waaaaay off the original topic. )

I just want to say "It's all good!" .

 

[mrincredible2008]

Ummm... Because its a discussion forum? Where else can we have fun discussing the crazy things we've seen at Disney?

if only my dogs looked more alike, then they could pass for twins.
oh well, guess they will be back at the kennel in seven months.

 

[BamaFan121s]

I just want to say "It's all good!" .

Of course...agreed! Hey, I'm only 11 days away, so I'm easy to please now anyhow.

 

[mbcary]

if only my dogs looked more alike, then they could pass for twins.
oh well, guess they will be back at the kennel in seven months.

Just bring them to my house! I will take care of them. I am completely a dog person. I would love to keep everyone's dog while they are at Disney. I would just ask to have the favor returned when I go. I have been following this thread and at first I was just laughing because of all of the responses. Then I started to realize everyone's health issues with dogs. Because I don't have them, I tend not to even think about that. Thank you to all for opening my eyes.

 

[dclfun]

"You discussed about the difference between Service Dogs and Emotional Support Dogs and how ESDs are not covered under the ADA. From the previous definition posted by lookingforward it would seem to me that they should be. IIRC, there is no certification for service dogs in the US and no licensing. What is the difference between a dog used for helping someone hear and one who helps someone cope with the world? Or, do you only consider expensively trained dogs by independent organizations to be "true" Service Dogs? It seems to me that you are denying a whole sector of the disabled community the same rights that you and Skye have fought so hard to obtain for yourselves."

Well, I'm not denying a sector of the disabled community and truthfully I resent being told that I am. I know this is alot of semantics but it is the LAW. No, I'm not in judges robes and I didn't make the law but it is in place to protect those of us who are covered under the ADA and use a SD.
To be able first of all to have a SD and bring him/her into the public, one has to be considered disabled under the ADA. Someone already posted that definition which is very strict. I don't consider that only dogs trained by independent organizations ar SD's nor did I ever say that. Many people train their own SD's and this is perfectly legal. Certification or "licensing" is not required. In order to meet the definition of SD vs ESD a dog must perform TASKS that assist the disabled person to mitigate their disability. In the case of a mobility assist dog they may pick up things for their owner, open doors, etc. It's pretty obvious what a hearing or vision dog does. A psychiatric SD may nudge a person when they start to lose focus ( such as the example of the person with Alzheimers), or an autism SD may be tethered to a child to keep him from darting into traffic and will sit down to prevent the child from moving away. These are all tasks. An ESD is just there to provide comfort. They are allowed into housing where pets are not allowed but just not public places where pets are not allowed because they do not perform a task, or the person they are comforting is not disabled under the ADA. Anyone with a dog from an organization or a dog they trained themselves still has to have a dog that performs a TASK, they have to be disabled as defined by the ADA ( not just, "I have a limp", etc), and their dog must also exhibit exemplary trained behavior. The owner must be able to handle and control the dog or in the case of a child, an adult can sometimes be the dog's handler.

As to eroding rights, I tried to explain that. Anyone's rights are eroded when they are extended to people who do not qualify for them. I used the example of voting. Your right as a woman, to vote, was hard won years ago. Now imagine if the right to vote in the US elections was extended, say to someone in Lithuania. They don't have a right to vote in a US election but our government is handing that over to them. It thus erodes YOUR rights and waters down your voting power. I hope you can understand this concept.
Kathy and Skye

 

[Disney*All-Stars*]

Why can't a funny story just enlighten us? For those who must take this thread to a level that involves a novel that brings forth arguments and debates, why not start another thread for those who are seriously interested in your topic?

 

[safetymom]

We have strayed from the original post. I suggest continuing this discussion on the community board. Thank you.