Any thoughts on point charts for Lakeshore Lodge

[Hubalorian]

Which specific document are you referencing gives them that specific power?

@Sandisw do you know the name of the CFW thread that details all of the differences when the cabins first launched? I know there were several dis boarders who detailed all the differences in a thread?

 

[Girlstar30]

@Sandisw do you know the name of the CFW thread that details all of the differences when the cabins first launched? I know there were several dis boarders who detailed all the differences in a thread?

I would be curious to know what are the stricter rental requirements

 

[Tatebeck]

That's what I thought but wasn't sure, good to know!

Yeah Riviera and Disneyland Hotel were the first to add resale restrictions but the trust was made just before CFW.

Keep in mind It is still unknown as to what the true purpose of the trust is.

Some think Disney had to make it a trust since there are no permanent structures with CFW, just basically trailers so they couldn't do the deeded real estate way that the other resorts have always worked.

Others think that it will be the start of a new separate group of resorts with added flexibility between resorts that are added in the trust. But there has been no official word from Disney regarding it that I am aware of.

 

[Girlstar30]

Yeah Riviera and Disneyland Hotel were the first to add resale restrictions but the trust was made just before CFW.

Keep in mind It is still unknown as to what the true purpose of the trust is.

Some think Disney had to make it a trust since there are no permanent structures with CFW, just basically trailers so they couldn't do the deeded real estate way that the other resorts have always worked.

Others think that it will be the start of a new separate group of resorts with added flexibility between resorts that are added in the trust. But there has been no official word from Disney regarding it that I am aware of.

Very suspicious why is everything a mystery with them lol

 

[Hubalorian]

I would be curious to know what are the stricter rental requirements

If I am remembering correctly, Disney gets to determine what is commercial renting (at their discretion) and only their opinion matters basically. I know it’s more legal jargony then that but allowed themselves more leeway if they ever decide to crack down on commercial renting

 

[WinterSolider]

No. Currently only the cabins are trust based

Literally the only point of the trust is that the cabins are trailers. Trailers are not real property, they are personal property, and you can't sell a deeded real estate interest to personal property.

That's it. Every other conspiracy theory about the trust is bullcrap.

 

[WinterSolider]

Keep in mind It is still unknown as to what the true purpose of the trust is.

No it isn't.

 

[Tatebeck]

@WinterSolider is in the first camp I see lol

 

[sethschroeder]

@Sandisw do you know the name of the CFW thread that details all of the differences when the cabins first launched? I know there were several dis boarders who detailed all the differences in a thread?

I suspect its similar to people who think Disney can outright remove benefits from Magical Extras (when contract explicitly states something of like quality needs to replace it) when AP tickets were temporarily on hold (the contract explicitly also stated they could temporarily pause based on things outside their control like a pandemic restricting capacity).

I did a cursory review of a deed that was posted to OC Comp and didn't come across anything but happy to take a look at the language.

I am highly doubtful though that it allows them to jump dumb tons of extra points in to the existing rooms. If someone has the thread tag me or send me a note as I dont want to be telling people incorrectly and want to call out the contention.

 

[Sandisw]

@Sandisw do you know the name of the CFW thread that details all of the differences when the cabins first launched? I know there were several dis boarders who detailed all the differences in a thread?

All the documents for the trust are now part of the CFW POS

I am on the Sisney Dream but will see if I can find the thread.

 

[Sandisw]

I would question that being allowed.

Disney has moved points to the NEW rooms when Treehouse was added at SSR however this was to the detriment of the developer so likely is allowed to occur. However Disney selling point allotment for a set number of rooms then increasing that total later I think would not be allowed and Disney would either not do it or would be challenged and lose.



The only thing the new trust allows them to do is change how the exchange works not how people that own at the resort as a home resort use their points and allotted their points.

Disney can move points between the seasons but they are very unlikely able to redistribute points and they absolutely can't just be adding points. Otherwise they in theory could add 1 room and 1b points to the system devaluing it all.

The trust model allows for them to adjust points across component sites which is completely different than the leasehold model.

And, when they add new inventory to the trust, they activate into the RTU plan sayings it’s going to add X points.

Now, since the cabins are all the same, it’s more straightforward…but I believe the second declaration was not exactly the same number of points per cabin as the first.

But, in terms of charts, I expect them to be higher the CCV and BRV because I think Disney will be able to get a higher cash rate for that resort.

So, if you read that document, there is nothing stopping them from adding new units to the trust, with their own point structure and the reallocate amongst units.

And, since you brought up membership extras the word they use is “may” replace, not “will”…but it also says benefits can be removed at any time but that language is something you don’t ever acknowledge.

Off topic so let’s get back to the trust documents. You can find them in the CFW POS and then explain a lot of how that set up can work.