Any thoughts on point charts for Lakeshore Lodge

[maui22]

This morning, I was looking at Disney deeds on the occompt website and started thinking about the total cost for each purchase.

Will Lakeshore Lodge have point charts higher then BRV and CCV? If so, would that hurt sales?
Or closer to BRV and CCV? They could market the bargain point charts compared to PVB? (Most expect RIV to be sold out before Lakeshore Lodge goes on sale)
Would Disney want to have higher point charts than BRV and CCV (which are closer to MK)?

What are your thoughts on point charts?
What are your thoughts on how it will impact direct sales?

 

[Hubalorian]

I think it will be a small mark up from CCV/BRV but a real premium for those lakeshore cabins they’re building.

 

[Brian Noble]

What are your thoughts on point charts?

I suspect it will depend on the size, furnishings, and appointments in the rooms. Larger rooms with more "luxe" furnishings will mean a higher point chart. The pool area looks nicer than average, which might also contribute as well, but less so.

Has anyone decoded the architectural drawings in the permit applications to get square footage yet? That would be a good hint.

What are your thoughts on how it will impact direct sales?

Disney won't have a problem selling it, whatever it is.

 

[kilik64]

RIV level or slightly less for the typical rooms. Probably around the same as the CCV cabins for the Lakeshore version of those.

 

[vdangelo239]

Would totally expect Riv level...I do not think anything lower than Riv either...that's probably what we should all expect go-forward.

 

[disneylandtour]

I suspect it will depend on the size, furnishings, and appointments in the rooms. Larger rooms with more "luxe" furnishings will mean a higher point chart. The pool area looks nicer than average, which might also contribute as well, but less so.

Has anyone decoded the architectural drawings in the permit applications to get square footage yet? That would be a good hint.


Disney won't have a problem selling it, whatever it is.

I "floated" by it last week. It is massive, a stretch of skeletal steel (and plumbing and cement) far longer than I expected. It's a C or U shaped complex with a large open space in the middle for courtyard/pool/maybe a lazy river/a stand alone building or two for restaurants, bars, etc. Mid to upper floors, on both sides, "should" have much better balcony views than CCV. I think the CCV and BRV days are all behind us in terms of new point charts. And I do suspect that if there is a big water feature we're looking at least 25%, maybe 30% above CCV in terms of points per night.

 

[JackosinDIS]

I "floated" by it last week. It is massive, a stretch of skeletal steel (and plumbing and cement) far longer than I expected. It's a C or U shaped complex with a large open space in the middle for courtyard/pool/maybe a lazy river/a stand alone building or two for restaurants, bars, etc. Mid to upper floors, on both sides, "should" have much better balcony views than CCV. I think the CCV and BRV days are all behind us in terms of new point charts. And I do suspect that if there is a big water feature we're looking at least 25%, maybe 30% above CCV in terms of points per night.

Tend to agree with this. I would not be surprised if this was PVB / VGF level points - they need to find a way to bring those CFW dues down to a reasonable level - and high points would be a very good way to do that!

 

[WinterSolider]

Would totally expect Riv level...I do not think anything lower than Riv either...that's probably what we should all expect go-forward.

This has been debunked a million times and yet every time there's a new resort, people bring it back up as a conspiracy theory.

There is no points chart inflation, other than Old Key West which is "too cheap" and should have a points chart that looks more like Saratoga Springs.

Riviera is priced high because Disney imputed a value on the Skyliner akin to that of the monorail. Newer resorts are generally priced higher than older resorts because they tend to be in more premium locations with "better" transportation options. There is no points chart inflation over time when you adjust for these factors.

I expect Lakeshore Lodge "core" units (DS/1BR/2BR) to be priced exactly the same as Copper Creek.

I "floated" by it last week. It is massive, a stretch of skeletal steel (and plumbing and cement) far longer than I expected. It's a C or U shaped complex with a large open space in the middle for courtyard/pool/maybe a lazy river/a stand alone building or two for restaurants, bars, etc. Mid to upper floors, on both sides, "should" have much better balcony views than CCV. I think the CCV and BRV days are all behind us in terms of new point charts. And I do suspect that if there is a big water feature we're looking at least 25%, maybe 30% above CCV in terms of points per night.

This is the exact logic people used when they insisted that Disneyland Hotel would have a higher points chart than Grand Cal. It never happens, just like it didn't happen with Poly 2 or VGF 2 or any other doom-and-gloom scenario that people floated.

Disney collects their "inflation" via increasing price-per-point, not increasing points-per-night. All of the breakage formulas would crash if the points charts became disconnected from the underlying cash value of these rooms.