Any News of Delta??

aloysius1992 said:
Delta pilots were for a very short time the highest paid. And the lowest pilot pay was 24k/year when DH started 8 years ago. But that 777 Captain pay was only for a few of the most senior pilots for a year or two before retiring. Dh is sleeping at the airport tonight rather than spending $100 on a hotel. He is commuting to work so would have to pay hotel himself.

Think the strike vote if it occurs will be very close. Captains voting yes for >100k, First officers voting no for <85k. Where we live our house price has tripled, salaries (for our type jobs) have doubled and <85 job is not that hard to find. Another friends DH is a good auto mechanic who fixes and resells a couple cars on the side. he makes over 100k. Our senior school teachers make 60k.

While those salaries may seem unreal the house prices are worse,over 400k (3 bedroom, 2 ba), so that the police, firefighters are in the affordable housing lotteries.

However, as a Delta pilot he can live someplace else.. As you have indicated he is communting to his base tonight... Lots of DL pilots live in Atlanta. I live there.... Auto mechanics here don't make over $100K and yhou can live WELL for $100K....

Sorry, but that's the facts... if you choose to live in a high cost area there is not a good way to "come out ahead" I know DL and AA pilots who commuted from Nashville for years for example because it was cheap.

Let me say that I have a realtive who retired from DL... his pension was great etc... I can understand not wanting to give up those benefits, but I think your theory that all pilots are going to find jobs that replace that pay scale is a little lacking. Not to mention that most folks work 40 hours every week... DL pilots don't!
 
aloysius1992 said:
Our senior school teachers make 60k.

Where is that? Seriously, please tell me. I'll move there.
 
GEM said:
Where is that? Seriously, please tell me. I'll move there.

Our senior teachers make 75K, if they have a masters + 15 units, and have been teaching (like I have) at least 15 years. Teachers starting off with a B.A make about $36,000. The highest paid teacher makes $82,000 a year, and would receive about $1400 extra for a masters, and $1400 extra for a doctorate. That's a teacher with 25 years experience, and 60 units beyond a B.A.

Our district pays extremely well. A neighboring district would top off at 10K less.

A one bedroom aprtment will run you $1500 per month, and a starter (1100-1400 sq. ft) home in a very average neighborhood will run you about $600,000.

Julia
 
aloysius1992 said:
...These are all my own opinions from being married to a Delta pilot and knowing many Delta pilots and other airline's pilots and ex airline pilots.
Thanks for your input on this topic. I hope it works out for you and your family. It's good that you are weighing your options for when your DH's pay drops again. It seems to be happening in other industries as well, like the auto industry; that's got to be tough. At least your DH's and your skills are portable.

I became a Delta Frequent Flyer (the old name for the loyalty scheme) back in 1986, and have preferred to fly Delta historically. The advent of Song made me even more brand loyal, since I now have kids. If they take those great planes off of the Florida routes, I think I might be changing my mind tho.

I believe you are right, that it was only for a very short time that Delta pilots were the highest paid; since then Delta has wrung concession after concession out of all of its staff. The government's support of USAir, United and (a few years back) American in their bankruptcies did a lot of damage to the other carriers' balance sheets. I am hoping for the best for Delta, since I still see it is "my airline". I think DW and I have decided to count down to the 331 day mark to buy our tix for Thxgiving 2006 (crossing fingers).
 

pumpkinboy said:
The government's support of USAir, United and (a few years back) American in their bankruptcies did a lot of damage to the other carriers' balance sheets.
In their 75-year history, American Airlines has never filed for bankrupcy. In this reagrd, they are alone among the legacy carriers. (But American came close.) It's possible that pumpkinboy may have meant Continental.
 
Or maybe the money and protection to keep American going after 9/11 so our Air Transportation didn't collapse.

I hope for the best for Delta also.

Dh would preferentially rather fly and deal with Engine Fires and failures(2), hydraulic system failure(1), loss of pressure(1), oxygen malfunction(1) , cockpit smoke or fumes(2) and turbulence so bad it was hard for him to focus his eyes. Rather than paperwork deadlines. My choice wouldn't be the same.

Even if we choose to leave many friends work there and the Delta training Dept was very kind to me when they hired DH.

As for the senior teachers making 60k, remember our starter houses are ~ 350k. If you haven't already bought you are out of luck until the next possible downturn.
 
Horace Horsecollar said:
In their 75-year history, American Airlines has never filed for bankrupcy. In this reagrd, they are alone among the legacy carriers. (But American came close.) It's possible that pumpkinboy may have meant Continental.
Yep, I guess I meant Continental. Oops. American did get govt support after 9/11 and did hire bankruptcy counsel, but you are correct, they did not actually go into Ch 11. If the Govt had simply let one of the old majors fail (USAir would be the prime candidate for an unworkable system) the rest wouldn't need so much support, and perhaps the NWA and Delta filings could have been avoided.
 
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Link above doesn't work

Probably because the AJC wants you to register! (I lie to them a lot to get access)

Anyway
Delta pilots brace for rejection of contract

By RUSSELL GRANTHAM
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 12/07/05
New York — The leader of Delta Air Lines' pilots said the union is preparing for the federal bankruptcy court to possibly reject their labor contract as early as next week.

"We're preparing for a possible rejection," said Lee Moak, chairman of the Air Line Pilots Association. He said the union still wants a "consensual agreement" on cost cuts with the airline but that pilots are prepared to call a strike
Let's be clear here. We truly believe that this is a case of self-defense," said Moak. "We believe we can strike."

Moak's comments came as the federal bankruptcy court in New York continued its eighth day of hearings on Delta's motion to void the contract and impose $325 million in pilot cost cuts, including a 19 percent pay cut.

If the judge agrees to reject the contract, Delta says it could impose its terms.

"We will not willingly work without a contract," said Moak. The union says it has offered concessions valued at $150 million annually, including a 9 percent pay cut.

Union leaders are meeting Thursday in New York, where they could consider authorizing a strike vote.

Such a decision would be the first step in a weeks-long process, according to union officials. Even if a majority of the union's 6,000 members voted to authorize a strike — a ballot process that would require at least two weeks to complete — the union's leaders might never call one.

The union, which has long warned that a contract rejection could result in a devastating strike for the hobbled airline, likely is seeking more leverage as sporadic talks with Delta have shown little apparent results.

Judge Prudence Beatty has repeatedly urged the two parties to reach a settlement.

Opening Tuesday's hearing, she asked, "I'm assuming that we are still here because we do not have a resolution?"

"That is correct," responded Jack Gallagher, Delta's attorney.

Delta has argued in court that the union is barred by the Railway Labor Act from a strike or other labor action without going through protracted mediation and a 30-day cooling-off period.

"Our strong preference continues to be to negotiate in good faith to reach a consensual agreement that is in everyone's best interest," said Delta spokesman John Kennedy.

Delta's lawyers say Beatty must rule on the so-called Section 1113 motion — named after a section of the bankruptcy code — by Dec. 16.

If Beatty doesn't rule next week, Delta says it can impose pilot pay cuts under Section 1113, but people involved in the case say the company might agree to an extension if it fears that Beatty could deny its motion.

Indeed, Beatty has said she wants more time as the trial on the issue has dragged into its third week. On Tuesday, the airline's last witness, Delta labor relations Vice President Geraldine Carolan, began testimony. ALPA is planning to call more than a dozen witnesses. More hearings are scheduled for today and Friday.

In court on Tuesday, a group of retired Delta workers said the carrier improperly made millions of dollars in severance payments from a trust fund meant for disabled employees.

The group represents non-pilot retirees, some of whom are disabled. It asked the judge to bar Delta from using trust funds to make additional severance payments and to return any unauthorized disbursements made since Delta's bankruptcy filing, plus interest. If Delta doesn't repay the funds, the group said it will seek permission to sue the airline.

Delta paid $22 million in severance claims from 2002 through 2004 and expects to pay an additional $14 million this year, the group said.

Delta spokeswoman Chris Kelly said the company "strongly believes it has acted properly."
 
Here's the article on ABCNEWS.com . Check out the ad on the right... :rolleyes1 (You may have to refresh to see the ad I'm refering to...)

Phew...looks like we're OK...our return flight is set for the 13th.
 
I have been following this thread, and you guys have me REALLY panicked now!! We fly to WDW out of Reagan National on the 17th on Delta. What are my options if they do strike? Is there something I should be doing now? Thanks!
 
Based on everything I have read... it will be at least the first of the year before they can do anything. This judge is moving SLOW! So if she actually does get around to allowing DL to void the contract, then the union leadership has to vote to authorize a strike vote, they have to set the date and vote on the strike etc.... Based on what the Atlanta media is saying as they talk to union memebers figure two to three weeks AFTER the judge rules...(And no one knows when that will be)

The Atanta paper predicts at least a week more of the hearing.

Plus as Bicker has pointed out... the judge has managed to say enough "stupid" things to allow either side to immediately appeal to start the whole process all over again. (She told the pilots they make too much, she told DL she didn't like them because they had peanuts on the plane... etc...)
 
laurenk said:
I have been following this thread, and you guys have me REALLY panicked now!! We fly to WDW out of Reagan National on the 17th on Delta. What are my options if they do strike? Is there something I should be doing now? Thanks!

That's me...I fly Delta on the 17th out of SFO. (I'm the OP)

It sounds like Delta pilots union is voting today on whether to strike or not, if the ruling doesn't go there way. However, it looks like the ruling won't be until next week (has to be made by the 16th) I'm betting the judge WILL wait until the 16th, and then it's two weeks to receive and count the votes. That takes us to the 30th.

I can't help but wonder if there are some stalling tactics involved, as the decisions effectively help keep Delta flying through the busy holiday season, and defer potential problems until the new year.

I don't know

Julia
 
The union leaders met today yestereday to discuss authorizing a strike vote. However, they can't call the strike vote until the agreement is thrown out. (Right now they have no basis) The judge plans to rule on December 16th..

So if she throws out the contract then they vote (that takes a few days) then they count etc.... I just think December is safe
 
Thanks guys! I feel better now!

Julia- Where are you staying? We will be at the Beach Club.
 
CarolA said:
The union leaders met today yestereday to discuss authorizing a strike vote. However, they can't call the strike vote until the agreement is thrown out. (Right now they have no basis) The judge plans to rule on December 16th..

So if she throws out the contract then they vote (that takes a few days) then they count etc.... I just think December is safe
My return flight from WDW is on Song on 12/31...just my luck that'll be the day a strike is called. :rolleyes:
 
CarolA said:
The union leaders met today yestereday to discuss authorizing a strike vote. However, they can't call the strike vote until the agreement is thrown out. (Right now they have no basis) The judge plans to rule on December 16th..

So if she throws out the contract then they vote (that takes a few days) then they count etc.... I just think December is safe


lol just my luck our return flight is in January! :rotfl:

Hey.. anyone happen to know. If for some reason Delta would go "on strike"-- our flight down is on Continental, but even though it was purchased through Expedia, Continental says it was booked through Delta. They'd still honor the ticket if Delta went on strike, yes?
 
If your flight is on CO you should be fine. The only risk there is if the airline goes out of business, but that would take a little longer and CO would probably still honor the ticket.

If your flight number is a CO flight then even if you were on a DL jet it would be CO's job to "re route" you.
 
CarolA said:
If your flight is on CO you should be fine. The only risk there is if the airline goes out of business, but that would take a little longer and CO would probably still honor the ticket.

If your flight number is a CO flight then even if you were on a DL jet it would be CO's job to "re route" you.


This will be interesting to watch. I booked a NWA World Perks free ticket to Corpus Christi. I am routed via Atlanta on Delta as my flight there. I am then routed home on Continental. This was all done using NWA air miles. So, it will be interesting if something happens to Delta. Would NWA re-route me because I booked it through them? The flight numbers are Delta and Continental. Interesting to watch, to say the least.

Duds
 





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