Another pit bull attack, link inside....

[CathrynRose]

No need. I just wasn't sure if it was a typo or something else.

What something else? And I think everything is about me? What?

FTR - I worked with a girl whose last name was darlaCk - hence the C. Sorry you thought there were a hidden agenda.

I'm amazed at how personal this thread has become, although I don't know why I should be . Some people here are so defensive, it's not even worth having the discussion. Nothing you can say will get through to them. Personally, I think pitbulls are ugly, I can't understand why anyone would WANT to own one.

I'm curious....Just how many pitbull attack threads has the OP started?

Search it.

 

[jrmasm]

Did I say that? No, I did not. But I do believe a homeowner/dogowner needs to be sure there are safeguards in place to prevent accidents from happening.

A fence is a safeguard. If someone goes over the fence a reasonable person would say they were at fault.

A lock on the gate would have prevented this incident. I don't see why any dog owner wouldn't have a lock on the gate.

Not necessarily. The little girl could have scaled the fence like in your pool example. Then she would have been bitten instead of the little boy.

I would imagine that most dog owners don't have locks on their fences. In fact, I cannot think of a single locked fence that I have ever seen that wasn't on a business type property. I am not saying they don't exist just that I have never seen one.

 

[darlak]

What something else? And I think everything is about me? What?

FTR - I worked with a girl whose last name was darlaCk - hence the C. Sorry you thought there were a hidden agenda.

Yeah, you're probably right. I can see now that I was clearly reading too much into it.

 

[colleenlynn]

The problem with this report is that there are no total attack numbers given for the other breeds. 8% of 143 is a little over 11. Not knowing how many Dalmation, Doberman, Golden, Lab, and Shepherd attacks there were makes their percentages useless. Wonder why that important fact was left out? Maybe there were far fewer attacks by those other breeds of dogs?

i believe the numbers are percentages indicating the severity of the attack. the point is that the severity of the attack, no matter the number of attacks, is no greater than any other. the 8% was the percentage of total pit bull attacks (143 out of 2132)

"There were 143 pit bull attacks comprising 8% of all bites of which 16% had a severity of 3 or above (requiring medical attention). Corresponding figures for other popular breeds are Dalmatian 24%, Rottweiler 21%, Doberman 17%, Golden Retriever 16%, Labrador Retriever 16% and German Shepherd 12%. "

16% of the pit bites had a severity of 3 or above (requiring medical attention) the same as the labrador bites and less than the dalmations.

large dogs = large bites

 

[Kathi OD]

No? http://www.lawdogsusa.org/home.html

You aren't seriously promoting a site that donates pitbulls as the authority on the percentages of dog breeds used by law enforcement agencies as K-9 dogs, are you?

Even Wiki has more credibility than that site.

Not saying that pitbulls have never been used as police dogs (Wiki does say they've been used), but I'll go with a reference that I think would have some greater credibility that lawdogsusa, the Summerville, SC Police Department.

http://www.summervillepolice.com/k9breeds.html

Breeds of Police Working Dogs

Here at the Summerville Police Department, we utilize two prominent breeds of working dogs. They are the Belgian Malinois and the German Shepherd. The most popular breed of police dog is the well known German Shepherd, a 200 year old breed in the herding class of working dogs. These dogs have long been used by militaries all over the world as sentries and were used by the United States and Germany in World War I, World War II, the Korean War and the Vietnam War. In the 1950s, law enforcement began using German Shepherds for crowd control. As time progressed, the negative portrayal broadcast during this era led to new standards and levels of training for the canine and the handler. Today, German Shepherds remain the most popular breed of police canines in service around the world as they are most well known for their size, keen intelligence and work ethic.

 

[NYBlue1]

its pretty well known that there are posters here that live, as sad as that may be to antagonise CR, these posts may not always be posted by one of those people but they make sure to get their 2 cents in and cheap shots as well.

I think its all just sad, if you think pits are the , well, pits great, some dont, I dont think this dead equine needs to be beat anymore to death, especially when its being used as sport to pick on certain members here.

Nows whos up for a good old fashioned pool hopping thread

 

[colleenlynn]

Actually, they don't. At least not in any significant numbers.

Labs and German sheperds are probably 98% of dogs used in law enforcement.

still why haven't they "turned"? instead many have won awards?
point is pit bulls are not "inherently dangerous".

lawdogsusa.org
forpitssake.org

 

[CathrynRose]

You aren't seriously promoting a site that donates pitbulls as the authority on the percentages of dog breeds used by law enforcement agencies as K-9 dogs, are you?

Even Wiki has more credibility than that site.

Not saying that pitbulls have never been used as police dogs (Wiki does say they've been used), but I'll go with a reference that I think would have some greater credibility that lawdogsusa, the Summerville, SC Police Department.

http://www.summervillepolice.com/k9breeds.html

What is your point? Seriously...we know German Shephards are police dogs - we also know Pits are. And you agreed with such.

Whats your point?

 

[It's A Happy Day]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kathi OD
I'm curious....Just how many pitbull attack threads has the OP started?

Search it.

I do not know the intent of the OP but I was curious as it seems you are implying that the OP is/has repetitively made negative comments against pit bulls. After searching both the OP's posts and the term "pit bull", this is the ONLY thread that the OP started regarding pit bulls or even posted about pit bulls

its pretty well known that there are posters here that live, as sad as that may be to antagonise CR, these posts may not always be posted by one of those people but they make sure to get their 2 cents in and cheap shots as well.

I think its all just sad, if you think pits are the , well, pits great, some dont, I dont think this dead equine needs to be beat anymore to death, especially when its being used as sport to pick on certain members here.

Nows whos up for a good old fashioned pool hopping thread

Let's not finger point here, not all the cheap shots are coming from those that don't like the breed

 

[darlak]

What is your point? Seriously...we know German Shephards are police dogs - we also know Pits are. And you agreed with such.

Whats your point?

Only Kathi OD can really say what her point was, but I suspect it may have been that you were trying to skew the percentages by using only the information from the website you cited.

 

[sha_lyn]

Only Kathi OD can really say what her point was, but I suspect it may have been that you were trying to skew the percentages by using only the information from the website you cited.

So using a site wihtout any percentages discredits the percentages given?
How exactly is that?
the breeds used by one police dept does not represent the entire nation/world

 

[Kathi OD]

i believe the numbers are percentages indicating the severity of the attack. the point is that the severity of the attack, no matter the number of attacks, is no greater than any other. the 8% was the percentage of total pit bull attacks (143 out of 2132)

"There were 143 pit bull attacks comprising 8% of all bites of which 16% had a severity of 3 or above (requiring medical attention). Corresponding figures for other popular breeds are Dalmatian 24%, Rottweiler 21%, Doberman 17%, Golden Retriever 16%, Labrador Retriever 16% and German Shepherd 12%. "

16% of the pit bites had a severity of 3 or above (requiring medical attention) the same as the labrador bites and less than the dalmations.

I disagree. If out of 2132 attacks, only 10 were committed by Dalmations, then that 24% is just over 2 attacks that proved to be serious, whereas over 11 of the pitbull attacks were. Now, I understand that there could have been 200 attacks and then the actual number of cases would change.

If a pitbull is more likely to attack, and based on my personal experiences with dogs and attacks/bites, they are, then that total number becomes an important part of the equation.

large dogs = large bites

We can agree on this!

 

[NYBlue1]

http://www.lawdogsusa.org/home.html

 

[Chipmunk89]

Not necessarily. The little girl could have scaled the fence like in your pool example. Then she would have been bitten instead of the little boy.

I would imagine that most dog owners don't have locks on their fences. In fact, I cannot think of a single locked fence that I have ever seen that wasn't on a business type property. I am not saying they don't exist just that I have never seen one.

From the story I don't know if the kids knew there was a dog in the yard. Anyone know? True, they could have climbed the fence. But perhaps the noise would have brought the dog out sooner, and then the kids would have seen the dog before an incident could happen.

I just can't imagine why a dog owner wouldn't want a lock on the fence. I would hate for a child to leave the gate open for my dog to get loose and possibly get hurt or killed by a car.

 

[darlak]

NYBlue1, the only cheap shot I've seen here is the one about poisoning the dog. The rest, in my opinion, have been just expressions of differing opinions. I think that some people call any opinion different from their own a "cheap shot".

I haven't even posted my opinion of the breed. It isn't relevant. My first and subsequent posts were to make the point that threads like this one are not the place to defend or promote the breed that’s the attacker in this case.

If CR really believes that all pit bull attack threads are started only to "rile her", then she should probably just not open them.

 

[sha_lyn]

http://www.lawdogsusa.org/home.html

Don't you know that is obviously a pro pit site so it doesn't count
at least that is according to a previous post

 

[darlak]

So using a site wihtout any percentages discredits the percentages given?
How exactly is that?
the breeds used by one police dept does not represent the entire nation/world

Nor do the percentages quoted from a site that was started and run by pit bull fans.

 

[colleenlynn]

Only Kathi OD can really say what her point was, but I suspect it may have been that you were trying to skew the percentages by using only the information from the website you cited.

i don't believe anyone was talking about the most popular breed of police dog.
and the site lawdogsusa.org doesn't present percentages of breeds used. it was founded by a respected canine trainer and authority though.

the original post point was that pit bulls are used as service dogs to illustrate the point that pit bulls are not "inherently dangerous". i believe kathi od missed the point.

 

[NYBlue1]

NYBlue1, the only cheap shot I've seen here is the one about poisoning the dog. The rest, in my opinion, have been just expressions of differing opinions. I think that some people call any opinion different from their own a "cheap shot".

I haven't even posted my opinion of the breed. It isn't relevant. My first and subsequent posts were to make the point that threads like this one are not the place to defend or promote the breed that’s the attacker in this case.

If CR really believes that all pit bull attack threads are started only to "rile her", then she should probably just not open them.

The people I am speaking about know who they are, if you dont know what im talking about then its not something you were involved in. I cant think of a better way to phrase that , so if you are in the dark, consider this nothing about you or aimed at you

 

[manning]

It is not the breed, it is the owners and the individual dog.

No need to keep bashing one breed ...

If any of you have watched "The Dog Whisperer" Cesar Millan has basically said the same thing!!!!!