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Those victims are a lot less likely to be killed or maimed because they are not bred to kill or maim and their bodies are not designed to kill or maim.

Neither are pit bulls. And Labs, Golden retrievers, ect can and do maim and kill people, just as much as pit bulls and are just as likely to do so. Pit bulls were bred to be dog aggressive (keywords 'were' as in, not any more and 'dog' as in, not a person). Any large dog can maim and kill, even small dogs.
 
Same ol' ***yawn***

Refer back to my old Pit Threads and you guys can find the links yourself.

Ive posted them a million times, however - Im biased! :stir: Im an evil Pit Mom. :thumbsup2
 
Those victims are a lot less likely to be killed or maimed because they are not bred to kill or maim and their bodies are not designed to kill or maim

So when it does happen (and it does) those deaths or maimings don't fit your "agenda" so you discount them.
 
Exactly. Not only is 'pit bull' a type that includes several breeds (as if that alone wasn't enough to screw with the statistics) but suddenly every stocky dog is a pit bull.

Have you seen this? I dare everyone to try and find the American Pit Bull Terrier. http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html It's fun. Even I learnt about some new breeds.

I have to admit, it took me many clicks to find the American Pit Bull. Then I went and visited some American Pit Bull sites, and this picture is not an accurate representation of what is shown on the sites that I looked at. Specifically AMERICAN Pit Bull google search. I am confused, does the dog in this pic represent the standard for the breed, or just one that is a throwback and looks nothing like what it is supposed to?
 

So when it does happen (and it does) those deaths or maimings don't fit your "agenda" so you discount them.

Gosh no. It's horrible any way. But did you look at the chart in the Clifton article? Clearly there is a problem with pits way over and above any other breed.
 
And I think that's bs. Children should be taught to keep their hands to themselves. More than 50% responsibility lies with the children in the situation IMO. In fact I'd say their resposibility is very close to 100%.

This type of agruement really ticks me off. I used to have a dog that was very, very, very cat aggressive. I installed a 6ft picket fence to contain said dog. Several of our neighbors allowed their cats to roam the neighborhood. I was concerned about cats getting INTO my yard so I called our township and was told that I would likely be sued if a cat wandered (climbed my fence)into my yard and was ripped to shreds by my dog.


The way I see it is that we need to grow some common sense.

Well, you can think it's BS all you want. But that's the way it is. If you choose to own an animal, especially a pit, you need to have safeguards in place. Signs and locks.

At our old house, I always kept a lock on my gate. And I had a ****zTzu.
BTW, I now have two kitties. Both of them are inside kitties. So they don't wander.:)
 
I have to admit, it took me many clicks to find the American Pit Bull. Then I went and visited some American Pit Bull sites, and this picture is not an accurate representation of what is shown on the sites that I looked at. Specifically AMERICAN Pit Bull google search. I am confused, does the dog in this pic represent the standard for the breed, or just one that is a throwback and looks nothing like what it is supposed to?

After reading your comment I too went and compared the picture in the quiz with some from american pit bull sites, and the one in the quiz looks like a great specimen of the breed. It looks accurate to me. The only thing I can find different is that sometimes pit bull ears are cropped to stand up. Is this what is throwing you? Also, with it's head to the side it doesn't look as wide, but that would happen for any pit bull. In short, that is what a pit bull looks like. Maybe not as scary as you were expecting?
 
Specifically AMERICAN Pit Bull google search. I am confused, does the dog in this pic represent the standard for the breed, or just one that is a throwback and looks nothing like what it is supposed to?

There is no 'standard' for the breed - which is kinda the point. You have "eyewitness" accounts that it was a pit bull. You have many dogs being lumped into one category.

"Pit Bulls" have been a slew of different dogs.

However - the dog in the 'find the pit bull' - is actually a really good example of one.
 
There is no 'standard' for the breed - which is kinda the point. You have "eyewitness" accounts that it was a pit bull. You have many dogs being lumped into one category.

"Pit Bulls" have been a slew of different dogs.



I know they are not AKC, but they do have their own organizations, and pure breeding standards, don't they? So they should have a standard. Like I said, and to the PP-Nomi, , too, the pics I saw on the APB sites looked absolutely nothing like the one in the test, so I was thinking they found an APB that wasn't like any others to throw us off. Can you link more pics that look like the one in the test, I couldn't find any...
 
Well, you can think it's BS all you want. But that's the way it is. If you choose to own an animal, especially a pit, you need to have safeguards in place. Signs and locks.

At our old house, I always kept a lock on my gate. And I had a ****zTzu.
BTW, I now have two kitties. Both of them are inside kitties. So they don't wander.:)

I did. I built a fence. A fence taller than the dog could jump or climb. And I monitored the perimeter for digging. That dog was never outside the fence unless she was on a leash. I was more than responsible.

The dog was not a Pit btw.

Let's return to common sense:

1) do not allow your cats to roam and assume they will be safe
2) stay out of other peoples' yards unless you have their permission.

Simple. I used common sense in dealing with the dog's hatred of cats. I should not have need to do ANYTHING further to protect myself from other peoples' stupidity.
 
I know they are not AKC, but they do have their own organizations, and pure breeding standards, don't they? So they should have a standard. Like I said, and to the PP-Nomi, , too, the pics I saw on the APB sites looked absolutely nothing like the one in the test, so I was thinking they found an APB that wasn't like any others to throw us off. Can you link more pics that look like the one in the test, I couldn't find any...
Ok.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pit_Bull_Terrier - this one looks similar, though not in color.
http://www.pbrc.net/album_tributes/gallery2.html - here is a whole gallery. Some are fatter... er, sorry, 'fluffier', and again, colors differ. Still look similar.
http://www.bulldogbreeds.com/americanpitbullterrier.html The pit bull there looks like it.

What pictures did you see that didn't look similar to the one in the picture?
 
Are you for real????


no. i was just making up an issue to get us off of the same old pit bull stuff. it worked for awhile, but the pit bull mentality took over. so everyone can relax about the trespassing issue. it was a made up issue.
 
I know they are not AKC, but they do have their own organizations, and pure breeding standards, don't they? So they should have a standard. Like I said, and to the PP-Nomi, , too, the pics I saw on the APB sites looked absolutely nothing like the one in the test, so I was thinking they found an APB that wasn't like any others to throw us off. Can you link more pics that look like the one in the test, I couldn't find any...

Do you mean the color, or the body type?

AmPitBull8336.jpg
 
no. i was just making up an issue to get us off of the same old pit bull stuff. it worked for awhile, but the pit bull mentality took over. so everyone can relax about the trespassing issue. it was a made up issue.

For me, that's whats frustrating about this particular thread. I don't think that the Pit was the problem in the situation. And I don't think it would have made news had it been any other kind of dog.

I'm not big on throwing about the term 'media bias' but I honestly think that's the case here.
 
Pit bull attacks are becoming a common thread on the CB lately. I've said many times that I believe the breed is scarier than most because of the degree of damage they can do when they do attack, for whatever reason.

I have two miniature dachshunds. One of them is an easily frightened, yippy little dog. My yard is fenced and they are never out of my yard unless they are on a leash. Still, I worry about what could happen if a neighborhood child decided to come inside my yard or if one of mine accidentally got out. It hasn't happened yet, but accidents do happen. I worry about the emotional damage that could be inflicted as much as any physical damage and I know that one of my dachshunds is highly unlikely to ever be able to inflict life-threatening wounds.

My prevailing thought here though is that if there is ever a thread on here along the lines of "Child viciously attacked by miniature dachshund", I would never consider coming on here and defending the breed or worse yet, suggesting that the fault lies with the child, rather than the animal.
 
Pit bull attacks are becoming a common thread on the CB lately. I've said many times that I believe the breed is scarier than most because of the degree of damage they can do when they do attack, for whatever reason.

I have two miniature dachshunds. One of them is an easily frightened, yippy little dog. My yard is fenced and they are never out of my yard unless they are on a leash. Still, I worry about what could happen if a neighborhood child decided to come inside my yard or if one of mine accidentally got out. It hasn't happened yet, but accidents do happen. I worry about the emotional damage that could be inflicted as much as any physical damage and I know that one of my dachshunds is highly unlikely to ever be able to inflict life-threatening wounds.

My prevailing though here though is that if there is ever a thread on here along the lines of "Child viciously attacked by miniature dachshund", I would never consider coming on here and defending the breed or worse yet, suggesting that the fault lies with the child, rather than the animal.

Good Post.
 
There is no 'standard' for the breed - which is kinda the point. You have "eyewitness" accounts that it was a pit bull. You have many dogs being lumped into one category.

"Pit Bulls" have been a slew of different dogs.

However - the dog in the 'find the pit bull' - is actually a really good example of one.

Maybe you should tell that to the United Kennel Club, who recognizes the American Pitbull Terrier as a breed and most certainly has what appears to be a fairly thorough standard.

http://www.ukcdogs.com/WebSite.nsf/Breeds/AmericanPitBullTerrier
General Appearance
The American Pit Bull Terrier is a medium-sized, solidly built, short-coated dog with smooth, well-defined musculature. This breed is both powerful and athletic. The body is just slightly longer than tall, but *****es may be somewhat longer in body than dogs. The length of the front leg (measured from point of elbow to the ground) is approximately equal to one-half of the dog's height at the withers. The head is of medium length, with a broad, flat skull, and a wide, deep muzzle. Ears are small to medium in size, high set, and may be natural or cropped. The relatively short tail is set low, thick at the base and tapers to a point. The American Pit Bull Terrier comes in all colors and color patterns. This breed combines strength and athleticism with grace and agility and should never appear bulky or muscle-bound or fine-boned and rangy.

Head
The APBT head is unique and a key element of breed type. It is large and broad, giving the impression of great power, but it is not disproportionate to the size of the body. Viewed from the front, the head is shaped like a broad, blunt wedge. When viewed from the side, the skull and muzzle are parallel to one another and joined by a well defined, moderately deep stop. Supraorbital arches over the eyes are well defined but not pronounced. The head is well chiseled, blending strength, elegance, and character.

SKULL - The skull is large, flat or slightly rounded, deep, and broad between the ears. Viewed from the top, the skull tapers just slightly toward the stop. There is a deep median furrow that diminishes in depth from the stop to the occiput. Cheek muscles are prominent but free of wrinkles. When the dog is concentrating, wrinkles form on the forehead, which give the APBT his unique expression.

MUZZLE - The muzzle is broad and deep with a very slight taper from the stop to the nose, and a slight falling away under the eyes. The length of muzzle is shorter than the length of skull, with a ratio of approximately 2:3. The topline of the muzzle is straight. The lower jaw is well developed, wide and deep. Lips are clean and tight.

Faults: Snipey muzzle; flews; weak lower jaw.

TEETH - The American Pit Bull Terrier has a complete set of evenly spaced, white teeth meeting in a scissors bite.

Fault: Level bite.

Serious Faults: Undershot, or overshot bite; wry mouth; missing teeth (this does not apply to teeth that have been lost or removed by a veterinarian).

NOSE - The nose is large with wide, open nostrils. The nose may be any color.

EYES - Eyes are medium size, round to almond-shaped, and set well apart and low on the skull. All colors are equally acceptable except blue, which is a serious fault. Haw should not be visible.

Serious Faults: Bulging eyes; both eyes not matched in color; blue eyes.

EARS - Ears are high set and may be natural or cropped without preference. If natural, semi-prick or rose are preferred. Prick or flat, wide ears are not desired.

Neck
The neck is of moderate length and muscular. There is a slight arch at the crest. The neck widens gradually from where it joins the skull to where it blends into well laid-back shoulders. The skin on the neck is tight and without dewlap.

Faults: Neck too short and thick; thin or weak neck; ewe neck; dewlap.

Forequarters
The shoulder blades are long, wide, muscular, and well laid back. The upper arm is roughly equal in length to the shoulder blade and joins it at an apparent right angle.

The forelegs are strong and muscular. The elbows are set close to the body. Viewed from the front, the forelegs are set moderately wide apart and perpendicular to the ground. The pasterns are short, powerful, straight, and flexible. When viewed in profile, the pasterns are nearly erect.

Faults: Upright or loaded shoulders; elbows turned outward or tied-in; down at the pasterns; front legs bowed; wrists knuckled over; toeing in or out.

Body
The chest is deep, well filled in, and moderately wide with ample room for heart and lungs, but the chest should never be wider than it is deep. The forechest does not extend much beyond the point of shoulder. The ribs extend well back and are well sprung from the spine, then flattening to form a deep body extending to the elbows. The back is strong and firm. The topline inclines very slightly downward from the withers to a broad, muscular, level back. The loin is short, muscular and slightly arched to the top of the croup, but narrower than the rib cage and with a moderate tuck-up. The croup is slightly sloping downward.

Hindquarters
The hindquarters are strong, muscular, and moderately broad. The rump is well filled in on each side of the tail and deep from the pelvis to the crotch. The bone, angulation, and musculature of the hindquarters are in balance with the forequarters. The thighs are well developed with thick, easily discerned muscles. Viewed from the side, the hock joint is well bent and the rear pasterns are well let down and perpendicular to the ground. Viewed from the rear, the rear pasterns are straight and parallel to one another.
Faults: Narrow hindquarters; hindquarters shallow from pelvis to crotch; lack of muscle; straight or over angulated stifle joint; cow hocks; sickle hocks; bowed legs.

Feet
The feet are round, proportionate to the size of the dog, well arched, and tight. Pads are hard, tough, and well cushioned. Dewclaws may be removed.

Fault: Splayed feet.

Tail
The tail is set on as a natural extension of the topline, and tapers to a point. When the dog is relaxed, the tail is carried low and extends approximately to the hock. When the dog is moving, the tail is carried level with the backline. When the dog is excited, the tail may be carried in a raised, upright position (challenge tail), but never curled over the back (gay tail).

Fault: Long tail (tail tip passes beyond point of hock).

Serious faults: Gay tail (not to be confused with challenge tail); kinked tail.

Disqualification: Bobbed tail.

Coat
The coat is glossy and smooth, close, and moderately stiff to the touch.

Faults: Curly, wavy, or sparse coat.

Disqualification: Long coat.

Color
Any color, color pattern, or combination of colors is acceptable, except for merle.

Disqualification: Merle

Height and Weight
The American Pit Bull Terrier must be both powerful and agile so actual weight and height are less important than the correct proportion of weight to height. Desirable weight for a mature male in good condition is between 35 and 60 pounds. Desirable weight for a mature female in good condition is between 30 and 50 pounds. Dogs over these weights are not to be penalized unless they are disproportionately massive or rangy.

Gait
The American Pit Bull Terrier moves with a jaunty, confident attitude, conveying the impression that he expects any minute to see something new and exciting. When trotting, the gait is effortless, smooth, powerful, and well coordinated, showing good reach in front and drive behind. When moving, the backline remains level with only a slight flexing to indicate suppleness. Viewed from any position, legs turn neither in nor out, nor do feet cross or interfere with each other. As speed increases, feet tend to converge toward center line of balance.

Faults: Legs not moving on the same plane; legs over reaching; legs crossing over in front or rear; rear legs moving too close or touching; rolling; pacing; paddling; sidewinding; hackney action; pounding.

Disqualifications
Unilateral or bilateral cryptorchid. Viciousness or extreme shyness. Unilateral or bilateral deafness. Bobbed tail. Albinism. Merle. Long coat.

Note: Although some level of dog aggression is characteristic of this breed, handlers will be expected to comply with U.K.C. policy regarding dog temperament at U.K.C. events.
 
Locks now too? :rotfl:
Yes, its called responibility.

I did. I built a fence. A fence taller than the dog could jump or climb. And I monitored the perimeter for digging. That dog was never outside the fence unless she was on a leash. I was more than responsible.

The dog was not a Pit btw.

Let's return to common sense:

1) do not allow your cats to roam and assume they will be safe
2) stay out of other peoples' yards unless you have their permission.

Simple. I used common sense in dealing with the dog's hatred of cats. I should not have need to do ANYTHING further to protect myself from other peoples' stupidity.

1) My cats DO NOT roam.
2) My family does not go in our neighbor's yard without permission.

Let's look at it this way. A homeowner puts in a pool. They yard has a 6 ft. wooden fence. But one day, some kids scale the fence to come swim. Someone gets hurt. Guess who is liable?
 
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