Another option if dvc rooms have little to no availability for a while...

[€lairebear]

I was thinking if dvc rooms are not available and if owners have too many points since we get to bank and rollover our points to the following year, Disney collections is an option? I would think renting out reservations or even points would be hard since rooms would be scarce. Using points to book Disney hotel side. I know it’s not the best use of points but least we get a reservation and don’t end up losing points. Anyone thought about that?

 

[Deb & Bill]

I was thinking if dvc rooms are not available and if owners have too many points since we get to bank and rollover our points to the following year, Disney collections is an option? I would think renting out reservations or even points would be hard since rooms would be scarce. Using points to book Disney hotel side. I know it’s not the best use of points but least we get a reservation and don’t end up losing points. Anyone thought about that?

As long as you have eligible points to do this. Direct points can always do this. Resale points depend on when your contract closed.

 

[BillPA]

You need to own direct or qualified points to book the Disney Collection, Blue Card points.

 

[Sandisw]

As mentioned, some points are eligible for that. The question is whether DVC has the ability to adjust that restriction or not to help with what could be coming,

They did give themselves that flexibility with the RIV restrictions, but not sure back in 2011 when they put that in place,

 

[TomorrowlandOfYesterday]

Also remember if the reservation is at WDW, you have to have booked your reservation by your banking deadline to qualify for Disney Collection (if they are maintaining that rule, I do not know.)

 

[_auroraborealis_]

Also remember if the reservation is at WDW, you have to have booked your reservation by your banking deadline to qualify for Disney Collection (if they are maintaining that rule, I do not know.)

They seem to be. They are maintaining all rules on banking and borrowing.

 

[TraderSamWDW]

Interesting idea and they could possibly take this approach. If the is an economic downturn (being optimistic here) and cash room occupancy goes down, and there are rooms going unused anyway its an arrow in the quiver.

As far as the whole blue card issue goes, they could I suppose, just make the exchange rate lucrative enough to entice enough people. If a studio is 150 points for the week, but they made say 5 hotel rooms available for 140 points via disney collection, I think a lot of people would jump on that forfeiting that kitchenette to save 10 points.

Of course the concept is based on the notion they would use rooms that look as though they would go unrented anyway.

As mentioned, some points are eligible for that. The question is whether DVC has the ability to adjust that restriction or not to help with what could be coming,

Would they need to adjust the restriction? There certainly are enough qualified points that they could lure into "swapping" to make up the point imbalance. I'm not a lawyer so I have no idea.


ETA:
Of course this does not help OWK and SSR where there really is no hotel side. But it is something.

 

[Sandisw]

Interesting idea and they could possibly take this approach. If the is an economic downturn (being optimistic here) and cash room occupancy goes down, and there are rooms going unused anyway its an arrow in the quiver.

As far as the whole blue card issue goes, they could I suppose, just make the exchange rate lucrative enough to entice enough people. If a studio is 150 points for the week, but they made say 5 hotel rooms available for 140 points via disney collection, I think a lot of people would jump on that forfeiting that kitchenette to save 10 points.

Of course the concept is based on the notion they would use rooms that look as though they would go unrented anyway.




Would they need to adjust the restriction? There certainly are enough qualified points that they could lure into "swapping" to make up the point imbalance. I'm not a lawyer so I have no idea.


ETA:
Of course this does not help OWK and SSR where there really is no hotel side. But it is something.

I think since they legally put in the restrictions, they’d have to do something to make currently ineligible points, eligible.

There are a lot of qualified points, but the charts are really high For trading so it may not be that easy,

I think that is something negotiated which is why those point charts can go up. But, maybe there would be a way to negotiate something that would allow those trades to be better for those currently eligible.

 

[Cyberc1978]

I just look at the first week and in October at AKV in a standard view studio which normally would be 88 points through DVC but if you book the collection it’s 41 points per NIGHT a total of 287 points for a week

 

[Sandisw]

I just look at the first week and in October at AKV in a standard view studio which normally would be 88 points through DVC but if you book the collection it’s 41 points per NIGHT a total of 287 points for a week

Yup! Why we say it’s a bad, bad, use of points,! But, I guess if you are going to lose points, and this is a trade option, at least it’s something that DVC could negotiate with Disney Resorts Division allowing any member with expiring points to take advanrage.

Of course, it may get you only you one night!

 

[Cyberc1978]

Yup! Why we say it’s a bad, bad, use of points,! But, I guess if you are going to lose points, and this is a trade option, at least it’s something that DVC could negotiate with Disney Resorts Division allowing any member with expiring points to take advanrage.

Of course, it may get you only you one night!

I never really looked it up before but that’s just insane.

Even though a little is better than nothing I foresee an outcry if this is the decision and the point cost remain in place

I guess they would need to push or sort of bank the points in the collection giving people xx number of time to use the points.

 

[CarolMN]

Bad things happen to good people. The pandemic is no one's fault. We can't / shouldn't expect someone else (Disney) to make us whole. IMO, Disney has a lot more important things to worry about right now than making sure DVC Members don't lose points.

FWIW, the many thousands who will lose pay, jobs, livelihood, loved ones & and even their own lives will not have any sympathy for those complaining about forfeiting a vacation. Nor should they.

 

[Cyberc1978]

Bad things happen to good people. The pandemic is no one's fault. We can't / shouldn't expect someone else (Disney) to make us whole. IMO, Disney has a lot more important things to worry about right now than making sure DVC Members don't lose points.

FWIW, the many thousands who will lose pay, jobs, livelihood, loved ones & and even their own lives will not have any sympathy for those complaining about forfeiting a vacation. Nor should they.

maybe Disney shouldn’t but DVC should care as it’s their job to sort of cater for it’s members.

 

[CarolMN]

maybe Disney shouldn’t but DVC should care as it’s their job to sort of cater for it’s members.

I'm sure DVC cares. But DVC is us, the owners. DVCMC is our agent. We owners are responsible for actions it takes on our behalf.

 

[Cyberc1978]

I'm sure DVC cares. But DVC is us, the owners. DVCMC is our agent. We owners are responsible for actions it takes on our behalf.

I think I saw that mentioned in another thread and I think the sort of outcome was that we are not responsible.

owners haven’t chosen anyone one was more or less appointed without owners have a saying.

 

[Sandisw]

Bad things happen to good people. The pandemic is no one's fault. We can't / shouldn't expect someone else (Disney) to make us whole. IMO, Disney has a lot more important things to worry about right now than making sure DVC Members don't lose points.

FWIW, the many thousands who will lose pay, jobs, livelihood, loved ones & and even their own lives will not have any sympathy for those complaining about forfeiting a vacation. Nor should they.

This is very well said. There are risks to owning a timeshare and if some members end up with losses, it is what it is,

As you said there are many other instances right now happening where people are losing more important and vital things, especially family members,

DVC owners shouldn’t, IMO, feel as though we need to be immune from it all

 

[Sandisw]

I think I saw that mentioned in another thread and I think the sort of outcome was that we are not responsible.

owners haven’t chosen anyone one was more or less appointed without owners have a saying.

Actually, read our contract, We absolutely agree to allow them to act on our behalf and we waived our right to have a vote in many decisions,

So, others can say owners are not responsible for decisions DVCM. but from what we signed, we agreed to who runs it and who chooses the directors.

If you didn’t agree to the terms of them acting as our agent, then you don’t buy a contract with those terms, When one agreed to buy DVC, and read through what your rights were, then you were well informed that this is how it works.

And to add, its clear that The Walt Disney World company is not responsible for any aspect of DVC...page 22 of my RiV POS.

It boggles my mind though,,,that ive said in other threads,,,we expect renters to understand they need to be held to the terms of a contract yet we DVC members, expect not to be held to ours,

 

[_auroraborealis_]

It boggles my mind though,,,that ive said in other threads,,,we expect renters to understand they need to be held to the terms of a contract yet we DVC members, expect not to be held to ours,

There are definitely DVC members with an entitlement mentality.

"You can't put me in Pago Pago, I'm a DVC member!"
"The view for this unit at BRV/BCV is terrible and I am going to have a tantrum until you move me tomorrow and refuse to pay a cleaning fee for turnover because you can't give me this bad view!" (Note that BCV and BRV don't have bookable views.)

Even the prepaid lodging that is the heart of the DVC deed has a lot of limitations/exclusions and lack of guarantee when one reads the whole thing.

 

[€lairebear]

Just my thoughts as another option to use my points in case availability is slim on dvc side instead of losing all my points. Majority of my points are valid for Disney’s collection I had used that once to book grand Californian last year before buying points resale there. 3 nights cost us 175 points hotel side but thought that would be another way to look at it. I know I know it’s not the best use of points but with limitations and it’s not Disney’s fault they’re doing their best I was just thinking of other opportunities to use the points I mean we don’t need to just look at Disney deluxe options there’s also the value and moderates too (yes it’s costly) but just for those that might end up stuck with points that they must use at a certain time before they expire. Just an afterthought.
I’ve been fortunate that Disney allowed us to return our borrowed points for our March trip that was affected by the closure of the parks and resort but that would be one of my options in the future if I have a truck load of points that I need to use before it expires and a availability on the dvc side is slim.

 

[karen4546]

I see there is a ton of availability at all the resorts in April. My trip isn't until May and I would not be surprised if it has to be canceled.

I had to buy 20 one time use points from member services to complete my May booking -we had just purchased a 25 pt contract that gave us 2019/20 points also. So i used, 25 from May 2019, 25 May 2020, and150 May 2019 plus the 20 one time use points.

I hope that if I do get canceled that I can use the 2019 points for September and December and bank the rest. The CC reservation is 220 total points. I am still a very new member and I am not schooled on the banking-i have borrowed from 2021 to book the December booking though.