Another More General Fl. question

LarryJ

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O.K. I know we have a lot of Fl. residents and would like some recommendations. We plan to take a trip around Fl. next year probably in the late Apr to 1 May thru 1 to mid June mainly to try and get down to the Key West Area so with our trip to Maine this year we will have hit the north to south ends of the East Coast. Below is sort of a general idea of major stops and length of stay and below some are a couple of things we have come up with to do. I'm looking for other things and we're not hikers, but enjoy tours/museums both nature and historic like Gettysburg. Two places we really enjoyed was a Maple surgar factory tour in Vermont, Mt. Washington Cog ride in the Wh. Mtns NP, and the Fairbanks Museum in Vermont. Also, were not into water parks, acquariums, or things like sea world since it's just the two of us and two 4 legged ankle biters. We do like hitting unusual eating places for say a lunch or even a really nice place geared to seafood.

Below is a skeleton schedule so far.

Daytona Beach Area - 3 or 4 days

Cocoa Beach Area - 5 days

West Palm Beach Area - 3 to 4 days
Arthur R. Marshall Loxahatchee National Wildlife Refuge

Key Largo Area - 7 days
Everglades NP
Big Cypress National Preserve

Key West Area - 7 to 10 days

Tampa Area - 3 to 4 days

Looking for all and any ideas/recommendations


Thanks,

Larry
 
O.K. I know we have a lot of Fl. residents and would like some recommendations. We plan to take a trip around Fl. next year probably in the late Apr to 1 May thru 1 to mid June mainly to try and get down to the Key West Area so with our trip to Maine this year we will have hit the north to south ends of the East Coast. Below is sort of a general idea of major stops and length of stay and below some are a couple of things we have come up with to do. I'm looking for other things and we're not hikers, but enjoy tours/museums both nature and historic like Gettysburg. Two places we really enjoyed was a Maple surgar factory tour in Vermont, Mt. Washington Cog ride in the Wh. Mtns NP, and the Fairbanks Museum in Vermont. Also, were not into water parks, acquariums, or things like sea world since it's just the two of us and two 4 legged ankle biters. We do like hitting unusual eating places for say a lunch or even a really nice place geared to seafood.

Below is a skeleton schedule so far.

Daytona Beach Area - 3 or 4 days

Daytona Speedway without a doubt.

Cocoa Beach Area - 5 days

Cape Canaveral -
Kennedy Space Center (if you can coincide with launch - you'll enjoy that). Jetty Park You can watch cruise ships launch & return. Great fishing, nice campground, lovely beach & pier just steps away from the campground.

West Palm Beach Area - 3 to 4 days
Arthur R. Marshall Loxahatchee National Wildlife Refuge

Key Largo Area - 7 days
Everglades NP
Big Cypress National Preserve

Key West Area - 7 to 10 days

Tampa Area - 3 to 4 days

Museum of Science & Industry - With HUGE Imax Theatre that shows pretty awesome documentaries
Tampa Aquarium
Downtown Ybor City (Cigar Factory Tours - Columbia Restaurant-very historical)
Lowry Park Zoo (great for kiddies & adults alike)
Ruskin Family Drive-In Theatre (shows only family friendly films & very nostalgic)
Busch Gardens
Fort DeSoto in St. Pete - good manatee viewing site


Looking for all and any ideas/recommendations


Thanks,

Larry

If you've not been to St. Augustine - stop there on your way to Daytona - there's a lot more to see there than in Daytona. There are a lot of kvetchy things - but also a tremendous amount of historical places to visit - a Fort, Fountain of Youth, original downtown colony. It's a nice 1 to 2 day visit.

On your way north from the Keys to Tampa, make sure to stop in Ft. Myers to tour the Edison/Ford complex. With your propensity for history, invention, and detail Larry, you would truly enjoy this.

You may also wish to stop and see the Venice/Sarasota/Bradenton area. Venice Beach is a great place to shell, gather shark teeth & sand dollars. In a community north of Venice (Osprey) is the Spanish Pointe Historical Site. There are Indian Mounds dating back to the 1500's, and other items of interest. In Sarasota is Siesta Key Beach, which is an absolute "must see". Probably the prettiest beach in Florida. Sarasota is also home to the John Ringling Compound and Circus Museum and Bellem's Cars and Music of Yesterday. If you like seafood in an outdoor, old time atmosphere - Phillippi Creek Oyster Bar is the place to eat. Campgrounds to stay in at this area include: Royal Coachman RV Resort (Nokomis), Myakka State Park - which if you don't stay there, you MUST go there (partial hook-up, but has a dump station), Oscar Scherer State Park (in Osprey - partial hook-up - also dump station).

In Bradenton you will find the DeSoto Historical Park, Anna Maria Island, Cortez Fishing Village - ETA: Science Museum and Plantarium - very nice & has a huge manatee tank so you can see a manatee up close & personal. Campgrounds include: Encore RV Park, Lake Manatee River State Park (I'm not big on camping here because it's so open without a lot of trees, but the fishing is great)

South of Tampa are a couple of campgrounds I would recommend - Tampa South RV Resort, Hawaiian Isles Resort. In Tampa - Hillsborough State Park.

PM me if I can be of further help. There are a lot of other places of interest I can help you with ranging from Englewood to Tampa. I lived there 30+ years before moving to Central Florida.

I think you will find the west coast of Florida more to your liking than the east coast. I'm just saying......
 
Florida became an organized territory of the United States on March 30, 1822. The Americans merged East Florida and West Florida (although the majority of West Florida was annexed to Territory of Orleans and Mississippi Territory), and established a new capital in Tallahassee, conveniently located halfway between the East Florida capital of St. Augustine and the West Florida capital of Pensacola. The boundaries of Florida's first two counties, Escambia and St. Johns, approximately coincided with the boundaries of West and East Florida respectively.
As settlement increased, pressure grew on the United States government to remove the Indians from their lands in Florida. Many settlers in Florida developed plantation agriculture, similar to other areas of the Deep South. To the consternation of new landowners, the Seminoles harbored and integrated runaway blacks, and clashes between whites and Indians grew with the influx of new settlers. In 1832, the United States government signed the Treaty of Payne's Landing with some of the Seminole chiefs, promising them lands west of the Mississippi River if they agreed to leave Florida voluntarily. Many Seminoles left then, while those who remained prepared to defend their claims to the land. White settlers pressured the government to remove all of the Indians, by force if necessary, and in 1835, the U.S. Army arrived to enforce the treaty.

The Second Seminole War began at the end of 1835 with the Dade Massacre, when Seminoles ambushed Army troops marching from Fort Brooke (Tampa) to reinforce Fort King (Ocala). They killed or mortally wounded all but one of the 108 troops. Between 900 and 1,500 Seminole Indian warriors effectively employed guerrilla tactics against United States Army troops for seven years. Osceola, a charismatic young war leader, came to symbolize the war and the Seminoles after he was arrested by deception while attending truce negotiations in 1837. First imprisoned at Fort Marion, he died of malaria at Fort Moultrie in South Carolina less than 3 months after his capture. The war dragged on until 1842. The U.S. government is estimated to have spent between US$20 million and US$40 million on the war, at the time an astronomical sum. Almost all of the Seminoles were forcibly exiled to Creek lands west of the Mississippi; about 300 were allowed to remain in the Everglades.
On March 3, 1845, Florida became the 27th state of the United States of America. Its first governor was William Dunn Moseley, a descendant of English immigrants William and Susannah Moseley, who settled in Lower Norfolk County, Virginia, in 1649. Generations of Moseleys had gradually migrated down the Southeastern coast.
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The brick Capitol built in 1845

Almost half the state's population were enslaved African Americans working on large cotton and sugar plantations. Like the people who held them, many slaves had come from the coastal areas of Georgia and the Carolinas, and were part of the Gullah-Gee Chee culture of the Low Country. Others were enslaved African Americans from the Upper South who had been sold to traders taking slaves to the Deep South. In Florida all the peoples created a new creole culture.

In the 1850s white settlers were again encroaching on lands used by Seminoles. The United States government decided to make another attempt to move the remaining Seminoles to the West. Increased Army patrols led to hostilities. The Third Seminole War lasted from 1855 to 1858. At its end, US forces estimated only 100 Seminoles were left in Florida. In 1859, 75 Seminoles surrendered and were sent to the West, but some Seminoles continued to live in the Everglades.

On the eve of the Civil War, Florida had the least population of the Southern states. It was invested in plantation agriculture. By 1860 Florida had only 140,424 people, of whom 44% were enslaved. There were fewer than 1000 free people of color before the Civil War.[9]
During the late 19th century, Florida became a popular tourist destination as railroads expanded into the area. Railroad magnate Henry Plant built at Tampa the luxurious Tampa Bay Hotel, which later became the campus for the University of Tampa. Henry Flagler built the Florida East Coast Railway from Jacksonville to Key West. Along the route he provided for his passengers grand accommodations, including The Ponce de León Hotel in St. Augustine, The Ormond Hotel in Ormond Beach, The Royal Poinciana Hotel and The Breakers Hotel in Palm Beach, and The Royal Palm Hotel in Miami.

In February 1888, Florida had a special tourist: President Grover Cleveland, the first lady and his party visited Florida for a couple of days. He visited the Subtropical Exposition in Jacksonville where he made a speech supporting tourism to the state; then, he took a train to St. Augustine, meeting Henry Flagler; and then a train to Titusville, where he boarded a steamboat and visited Rockledge. On his return trip, he visited Sanford and Winter Park.[citation needed]

After WWI there was a rise in lynchings and other racial violence directed by whites against blacks in the state, as well as across the South and in northern cities. It was due in part from strains of rapid social and economic changes, as well as competition for jobs. Whites continued to resort to lynchings to keep dominance, and tensions rose. White mobs committed murders, accompanied by wholesale destruction of black houses, churches and schools, in the small communities of Ocoee, November 1920; Perry in December 1922; and Rosewood in January 1923. The governor appointed a special grand jury and special prosecuting attorney to investigate Rosewood and Levy County, but the jury did not find sufficient evidence to prosecute. Rosewood was never resettled.

To escape segregation, lynchings, and civil right suppression, forty thousand African Americans migrated from Florida to northern cities in the Great Migration from 1910-1940. That was one-fifth of their population in 1900. They sought better lives, including decent-paying jobs, better education for their children, and the chance to vote and participate in political life. Many were recruited for jobs with the Pennsylvania Railroad.[11]

The 1920s were a prosperous time for much of the nation. Florida's new railroads opened up large areas to development, spurring the Florida land boom of the 1920s. Investors of all kinds, mostly from outside Florida, raced to buy and sell rapidly appreciating land in newly platted communities such as Miami and Palm Beach. A majority of the people who bought land in Florida were able to do so without stepping foot in the state, by hiring people to speculate and buy the land for them. By 1925, the market ran out of buyers to pay the high prices and soon the boom became a bust. The 1926 Miami Hurricane further depressed the real estate market. The Great Depression arrived in 1929; however, by that time, economic decay already consumed much of Florida from the land boom that collapsed four years earlier.[citation needed]
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Shamu, a SeaWorld attraction

Florida's first theme parks emerged in the 1930s and included Cypress Gardens (1936) near Winter Haven and Marineland (1938) near St. Augustine. In the 1960s Walt Disney chose Central Florida as the site of his planned Walt Disney World Resort and began purchasing land. To avoid generating land speculation, he used dummy corporations and willing associates to acquire 27,400 acres (110 km², 43 mi²). In 1971, the Magic Kingdom, the first component of the resort, opened and began the dramatic transformation of the Orlando area into an international resort destination with a wide variety of themed parks. The Orlando area features theme parks including Universal Orlando Resort, SeaWorld, and Wet 'n Wild.

Hope this helps with your trip, have a great time.

 
Oh my......I feel like someone just snuck in and educated me.....this is terible!!!!!
 

To further educate you, Rog - notice this - terrible has 2 "r's"!! :lmao:

:lmao:

I would avoid the SC areas (especially the low country). I was told there are a lot of inconsiderate campers there.
 
If you've not been to St. Augustine - stop there on your way to Daytona - there's a lot more to see there than in Daytona. There are a lot of kvetchy things - but also a tremendous amount of historical places to visit - a Fort, Fountain of Youth, original downtown colony. It's a nice 1 to 2 day visit.

On your way north from the Keys to Tampa, make sure to stop in Ft. Myers to tour the Edison/Ford complex. With your propensity for history, invention, and detail Larry, you would truly enjoy this.

You may also wish to stop and see the Venice/Sarasota/Bradenton area. Venice Beach is a great place to shell, gather shark teeth & sand dollars. In a community north of Venice (Osprey) is the Spanish Pointe Historical Site. There are Indian Mounds dating back to the 1500's, and other items of interest. In Sarasota is Siesta Key Beach, which is an absolute "must see". Probably the prettiest beach in Florida. Sarasota is also home to the John Ringling Compound and Circus Museum and Bellem's Cars and Music of Yesterday. If you like seafood in an outdoor, old time atmosphere - Phillippi Creek Oyster Bar is the place to eat. Campgrounds to stay in at this area include: Royal Coachman RV Resort (Nokomis), Myakka State Park - which if you don't stay there, you MUST go there (partial hook-up, but has a dump station), Oscar Scherer State Park (in Osprey - partial hook-up - also dump station).

In Bradenton you will find the DeSoto Historical Park, Anna Maria Island, Cortez Fishing Village - ETA: Science Museum and Plantarium - very nice & has a huge manatee tank so you can see a manatee up close & personal. Campgrounds include: Encore RV Park, Lake Manatee River State Park (I'm not big on camping here because it's so open without a lot of trees, but the fishing is great)

South of Tampa are a couple of campgrounds I would recommend - Tampa South RV Resort, Hawaiian Isles Resort. In Tampa - Hillsborough State Park.

PM me if I can be of further help. There are a lot of other places of interest I can help you with ranging from Englewood to Tampa. I lived there 30+ years before moving to Central Florida.

I think you will find the west coast of Florida more to your liking than the east coast. I'm just saying......

Tx, some great suggestions, especially the stuff around Tampa Bay. We live in Jax from 1970 to 72 and did a lot of the St. Augustine type stuff and we plan to revisit some of that at some point in the future on one of our trips to WDW. Our routine now is to stay between 4 and 5 days as the FamKamp at NAS Jax and this will be our third time doing this on this trip next month. Last year we poked around the Mayport RV facilities and actually found our first two apartments that we lived in just after we got married.

Larry
 
If you were in Mayport last year - you saw with your own eyes how HUGE the Jax area has grown since '72! :eek:

I have a feeling you might want to change your itinerary to spend more time on the west coast, Larry. I'm not dissin the east coast, but...the west coast is more laid back and IMHO has a lot more places of historical interest. I like the east coast to get that "back north, cosmopolitan" feeling.
 
I was thinking you should go to rv.net for these answers lol. J/K Larry. Obviously being retired Navy you know that there is an rv park on the base in Key West. I hear it's tough to get into but would be much more convenient to the touristy stuff if you planned on going down Duval Street and Mallory Square. If possible book a night or 2 at Bahia Honda SP. It's about 1/2 way to KW and very nice.

IMO, and I haven't stayed there but drove thru it, Manatee Hammock in Titusville is nicely shaded unlike JP. JP looks very bare.

Don't forget about some of the springs in Florida. North Florida has a lot of them. If you're looking for something closer to I-95 Blue Springs SP in Deland has some nice views.

IMO ST. Augustine is nothing more than a tourist trap and if I was going there I'd plan a day where I would get there early and visit St. George Street, the fort, lighthouse and a couple other things you find interesting.

Not sure how much a history buff you are but there's Fort Clinch in Fernandina. In all the years we've had a camper I keep saying I'm going to take the hour drive up there and stay a weekend. I hear their cg is nice but like other sp's it's tough to get a ressie. Another north FL/ south GA attraction is Okeefenokee in SE Ga.

Good luck with your plans.
 
In Bradenton you will find the DeSoto Historical Park, Anna Maria Island, Cortez Fishing Village - ETA: Science Museum and Plantarium - very nice & has a huge manatee tank so you can see a manatee up close & personal. Campgrounds include: Encore RV Park, Lake Manatee River State Park (I'm not big on camping here because it's so open without a lot of trees, but the fishing is great)

Debbie has recommended this area to us as well..we fell in love with Anna Maria Island.:love: One thing for sure..Debbie know's her stuff! Can't go wrong with any of her recommendations. I just wanted to add that if you choose to visit this area, I'd also recommend the Holiday Cove RV Resort. It's right before the Cortez Bridge. You may be able to book a site on the canal. http://holidaycoverv.com/ Enjoy your trip.
 
There's some beautiful campgrounds 7 scenery up here in the panhandle of Florida. Starting from Apalachicola to Pensacola Beach. I have stayed in several State parks all along the way. We just recently went to Fort Pickens CG on Pensacola Beach we truly are blessed with some beautiful beaches!
 
I was thinking you should go to rv.net for these answers lol. J/K Larry. Obviously being retired Navy you know that there is an rv park on the base in Key West. I hear it's tough to get into but would be much more convenient to the touristy stuff if you planned on going down Duval Street and Mallory Square.

Yea we always stay at the FamKamp at NAS Jax and for this specific trip we have the FamKamps at NAS JAX, Patrick AFB in Cocoa Bch, Sigbee in Key West, and MacDill AFB in Tampa on our "hit list so to speak".

If possible book a night or 2 at Bahia Honda SP. It's about 1/2 way to KW and very nice.

IMO, and I haven't stayed there but drove thru it, Manatee Hammock in Titusville is nicely shaded unlike JP. JP looks very bare.

Don't forget about some of the springs in Florida. North Florida has a lot of them. If you're looking for something closer to I-95 Blue Springs SP in Deland has some nice views.

We did the glass bottom boat thing when Cypress Springs was still open so for us spring watching is not very high on our list of things to add to the pre-"bucket list".

IMO ST. Augustine is nothing more than a tourist trap and if I was going there I'd plan a day where I would get there early and visit St. George Street, the fort, lighthouse and a couple other things you find interesting.

We've done the Fort, Lighthouse, Ripley's, Gatorland, etc. when we lived in Jax so there is not much unless something really new or unusual for us there.

Not sure how much a history buff you are but there's Fort Clinch in Fernandina. In all the years we've had a camper I keep saying I'm going to take the hour drive up there and stay a weekend. I hear their cg is nice but like other sp's it's tough to get a ressie. Another north FL/ south GA attraction is Okeefenokee in SE Ga.

Good luck with your plans.

Larry
 
If you were in Mayport last year - you saw with your own eyes how HUGE the Jax area has grown since '72! :eek:

I have a feeling you might want to change your itinerary to spend more time on the west coast, Larry. I'm not dissin the east coast, but...the west coast is more laid back and IMHO has a lot more places of historical interest. I like the east coast to get that "back north, cosmopolitan" feeling.

We will certainly look at that and the main goal is the Key Largo/Key West Area. We have stayed like 4 days in the Tampa area a couple of years ago for the DW to meet up with long lost school mates and while I'm sure it's nice it's really seems spread out with lots of distances between various touristy type things to do or see.

I'm really getting some good ideas so far so please don't stop. I understand Fl. is all about water and fishing, but both of those for various reasons except for like an interesting harbor cruise just don't fit into out life style and age now.

Larry
 
I forgot Larry....you are only into fruit tree fishin'!! :lmao:

Good luck with your itinerary. Half the fun of any trip is making the plans!

I forgot....in Sarasota at the Bay Front is a 2 hour excursion of the intercoastal on a large pontoon boat. You will get a chance to see the homes of the "rich and famous" on Bird Key - from a distance. And...I do mean rich and famous. A lot of stars, national news broadcasters, famous authors - etc....have homes on the key. Your wife might also enjoy walking around St. Armand's Circle - where the rich and famous shop. If you're into flora - Sarasota also offers the Selby Gardens which is quite lovely to stroll through. Sarasota Jungle Gardens is a klutsy, yet beautiful place to visit, and the downtown area is a lovely combination of old and quaint buildings and architecturally interesting (in a good way) new buildings. At the John Ringling Home is also the John Ringling Art Museum - which holds quite a collection of new art, as well as, old masters. Gosh - this is making me miss my old "home town"!!
 
I forgot Larry....you are only into fruit tree fishin'!! :lmao:

Good luck with your itinerary. Half the fun of any trip is making the plans!

I forgot....in Sarasota at the Bay Front is a 2 hour excursion of the intercoastal on a large pontoon boat. You will get a chance to see the homes of the "rich and famous" on Bird Key - from a distance. And...I do mean rich and famous. A lot of stars, national news broadcasters, famous authors - etc....have homes on the key. Your wife might also enjoy walking around St. Armand's Circle - where the rich and famous shop. If you're into flora - Sarasota also offers the Selby Gardens which is quite lovely to stroll through. Sarasota Jungle Gardens is a klutsy, yet beautiful place to visit, and the downtown area is a lovely combination of old and quaint buildings and architecturally interesting (in a good way) new buildings. At the John Ringling Home is also the John Ringling Art Museum - which holds quite a collection of new art, as well as, old masters. Gosh - this is making me miss my old "home town"!!

I still got to do some internet searching and checking with DW, but it looks like 3 or 4 days around Sarasota might be added.

Instead of deleting we have the option of just adding stops and making the trip a little longer.

Larry
 














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