And It Has Happened AGAIN!

But, I think the point is that there's a big difference between lifelong clinical depression and losing your (you know what) over a breakup.

And I'm saying I highly doubt anyone died by suicide as a result of a break up. The break up was one tiny thing in a long line of things for a kid that had underlying depression. Or the relationship was the one good thing they had left that they felt like holding on for.

ETA and I was saying that for perspective because the OP asked why these kids keep doing this and there were posts about people feeling sad about breakups.
 
And I'm saying I highly doubt anyone died by suicide as a result of a break up. The break up was one tiny thing in a long line of things for a kid that had underlying depression. Or the relationship was the one good thing they had left that they felt like holding on for.

ETA and I was saying that for perspective because the OP asked why these kids keep doing this and there were posts about people feeling sad about breakups.


Fair enough, but I disagree. Unfortunately, I think there's a lot of suicides that are just an impulsive act over a temporary situation. Obviously, your situation exists as well, but I don't believe it to be the only way it goes.
 
Fair enough, but I disagree. Unfortunately, I think there's a lot of suicides that are just an impulsive act over a temporary situation. Obviously, your situation exists as well, but I don't believe it to be the only way it goes.

I agree with you and could cite multiple experiences but for the protection of other's privacy I won't. Like you said, it certainly can be a lifelong issue, but not always. My quote wasn't meant to minimize anyone's experience, that's for sure. I was just expressing grief for the whole situation, if that boy hadn't taken his life I'd be willing to bet he would have gone on to find love and happiness again. Teens brains aren't fully developed yet, which is why they make a lot of impulsive decisions that adults would never make.
 
Suicide is devastating.

Being a young adult can blow, and the emotions can feel powerful. We try to teach our daughter how to handle failure and adversity throughout her life so that she can cope with that later in life.

This is especially important to us, as my stepson killed himself last year and we know first hand how horrific suicide is on everyone left behind.

I am so sorry for your loss
 

When I was in high school, there was this kid - wore raggedy clothes, smelled terrible. At the cafeteria, when all of the other kids ate in their cliques, this kid ate alone. He would eat kind-of hunched over his food, in order to keep other kids from stealing it or knocking it away from him. He would scarf down his food really quickly - so quickly that sometimes he'd gag or puke. Again - he did it so he could eat before the other kids knocked his food away or stole it.

Anyway, one day I was in the principal's office (I spent a lot of time in the principal's office in high school), and the principal was called away for this reason or that, and while he was gone I snuck a peek at the paperwork on his desk. It was the enrollment list, with the names of students whose enrollment status had changed up at the top. Two or three new students moved to the district, a couple moved out. But there was another name: that kid from the first paragraph. And the reason for his drop was listed as "deceased." That was it. No ceremony in the gym where everyone mourns him or whatever - just paperwork to be filed and forgotten about.

A couple of weeks later I was talking to the youth minister at my church about his job. He told me that he made a little money on the side by contracting with a local funeral home, doing funerals for children and teenagers whose families weren't attached to a church. He had done two such funerals in the past couple of weeks. One was a popular girl - a cheerleader, good grades, good family, the whole bit. The entire town turned up at her funeral, and there was a line of mourners down the block. She had committed suicide, and no one knew why.

The other was a younger boy, whose name I recognized. There were only two people at his funeral- his parents. He, too, had committed suicide. And I knew exactly why.
 
The other was a younger boy, whose name I recognized. There were only two people at his funeral- his parents. He, too, had committed suicide. And I knew exactly why.


I'm sure the situation was incredibly complicated and sad. But I would never presume to think I had any idea why.
 
"The other was a younger boy, whose name I recognized. There were only two people at his funeral- his parents. He, too, had committed suicide. And I knew exactly why."

Social isolation as a teenager is perceived as life threatening. Teens are moving from family centered life to belonging to a community. I fully and totally understand why the younger boy might logically feel that life was not worth living.

Where we live there was a incredibly popular High Schooler who killed himself even under a strict watch. That I don't understand except as a chemical imbalance of the brain.
 
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I guess, its true, you never know what someone else is going through. This last boy went to a very small private school (gf went to public). From what others are saying, (again, I didn't know him) he was very popular, very active in sports both within the school and outside of school. He apparently seemed like a happy go lucky guy until the break up.

I know a lot of them do threaten suicide during break ups. And its has been said (again, second hand information) that the boy who shot himself while at school had done just that. His ex just didn't think he would go through with it.

I don't agree that its easier access to guns. I grew up here and when I was in high school, every boy that owned a truck had a gun in the back window. None of them shot anyone nor did they threaten to shoot themselves. When my sons were at the same high school, the guns were still there, they just locked them in the trunk of a car or behind the seat of the truck. Access to guns as always been a way of life here.

I have honestly wondered if somehow it stems from so many parents making sure their child is never disappointed, never told no, never made to feel like whatever they wanted couldn't be their's. And then the first major break-up in their life is like the first time they are told no and its just that devastating to them.
 
When I was in high school, there was this kid - wore raggedy clothes, smelled terrible. At the cafeteria, when all of the other kids ate in their cliques, this kid ate alone. He would eat kind-of hunched over his food, in order to keep other kids from stealing it or knocking it away from him. He would scarf down his food really quickly - so quickly that sometimes he'd gag or puke. Again - he did it so he could eat before the other kids knocked his food away or stole it.

Anyway, one day I was in the principal's office (I spent a lot of time in the principal's office in high school), and the principal was called away for this reason or that, and while he was gone I snuck a peek at the paperwork on his desk. It was the enrollment list, with the names of students whose enrollment status had changed up at the top. Two or three new students moved to the district, a couple moved out. But there was another name: that kid from the first paragraph. And the reason for his drop was listed as "deceased." That was it. No ceremony in the gym where everyone mourns him or whatever - just paperwork to be filed and forgotten about.

A couple of weeks later I was talking to the youth minister at my church about his job. He told me that he made a little money on the side by contracting with a local funeral home, doing funerals for children and teenagers whose families weren't attached to a church. He had done two such funerals in the past couple of weeks. One was a popular girl - a cheerleader, good grades, good family, the whole bit. The entire town turned up at her funeral, and there was a line of mourners down the block. She had committed suicide, and no one knew why.

The other was a younger boy, whose name I recognized. There were only two people at his funeral- his parents. He, too, had committed suicide. And I knew exactly why.


That is just incredibly sad in so many ways. :(
 
I do not believe teens should be allowed to date. Friendships with the opposite sex, in a group setting, is a very different situation than one on one dating and relationships. I think teens should focus on friendships, schools, faith life, future, with the teaching that opposite sex relationships are something for when you are ready to pursue marriage (ideally early 20s). Surely we can expect 16 year olds to wait 4 years till they're 20! Our culture has no sense of delayed gratification.
 
I do not believe teens should be allowed to date. Friendships with the opposite sex, in a group setting, is a very different situation than one on one dating and relationships. I think teens should focus on friendships, schools, faith life, future, with the teaching that opposite sex relationships are something for when you are ready to pursue marriage (ideally early 20s). Surely we can expect 16 year olds to wait 4 years till they're 20! Our culture has no sense of delayed gratification.


In the past, it was common to marry at that age.
 
I guess, its true, you never know what someone else is going through. This last boy went to a very small private school (gf went to public). From what others are saying, (again, I didn't know him) he was very popular, very active in sports both within the school and outside of school. He apparently seemed like a happy go lucky guy until the break up.

I know a lot of them do threaten suicide during break ups. And its has been said (again, second hand information) that the boy who shot himself while at school had done just that. His ex just didn't think he would go through with it.

I don't agree that its easier access to guns. I grew up here and when I was in high school, every boy that owned a truck had a gun in the back window. None of them shot anyone nor did they threaten to shoot themselves. When my sons were at the same high school, the guns were still there, they just locked them in the trunk of a car or behind the seat of the truck. Access to guns as always been a way of life here.

I have honestly wondered if somehow it stems from so many parents making sure their child is never disappointed, never told no, never made to feel like whatever they wanted couldn't be theirs. And then the first major break-up in their life is like the first time they are told no and its just that devastating to them.
I've wondered if this is the cause of a lot of problems many young adults have.
 
My DS 20 broke up with his first serious girlfriend after 2 1/2 years. When he told me on the phone I asked him directly "Are you going to kill yourself?"
and he said "No, Sarah made me promise not to" in a resentful voice. I knew my son was very tied to this girl emotionally. It wasn't untill about 2 years later that he said he didn't think of her everyday.

That first love is something special and the longer and stronger the relationship is the harder the breakup is.

How much other love and support is available to the young adult might be different now then in earlier generations.

I had nine brothers and sisters and a Mom. I played with the neighborhood kids everyday.
My husband had 3 brothers, both parents and saw extended family at least monthly.He played with the neighborhood kids everyday.

My son has only one sibling 8 years younger and two parents. Extended family is visited only once or twice a year. No neighborhood kids playing in the alley in our neighborhood. Families mostly one or two kids. Moms mostly back to work when kids are schoolaged.
 
In the past, it was common to marry at that age.

Exactly, that is why I think it is okay to marry at a young age- 20 - if you find someone at like 19 or 20 and want to marry young, but I think at 16-18 they should be able to think "I should focus on my life and then in about 2, 3, or 4 years I will start looking for someone"
 
I think it is dangerous to propose that there is a parenting method or social way of being that makes ones kids impervious to the emotions that could lead them to suicide. Maybe it makes people feel safer.

And back to my earlier statement and statistic found on NAMI's website: Ninety percent of all people who die by suicide have a diagnosable psychiatric disorder at the time of their death.

So, it's most likely not just a breakup or bad parenting or teen dating or small family or mom working or Billy sits by himself at lunch. Rather, Underlying issues that make normal teen things seem unbearable.

As someone else said, we could never know why someone actually did it (all the reasons).
 
Ive wondered if the growing numbers on this have to do with social media. Teens post their whole life on social media then to have to explain to the world that you broke up must be tough. Then to watch her and her friends post pics of her with her new boyfriend. People posting cruel quotes on how you messed up the relationship. That must make the situation even worse.

I can't imagine what my life would've been like had social media been around when i was a teen.
 
I'm so sorry. Stories like this can break your heart.

This stuff is contagious. Keep a real eye on your daughter- her emotions and moods-- for a while.
 
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Suicide is devastating.

Being a young adult can blow, and the emotions can feel powerful. We try to teach our daughter how to handle failure and adversity throughout her life so that she can cope with that later in life.

This is especially important to us, as my stepson killed himself last year and we know first hand how horrific suicide is on everyone left behind.

I am very sorry for your loss. That must have been devastating.

The teen years are hard, especially for those who suffer with emotional issues and depression. I personally know four people who were suicidal when they were teens. Two of them attempted suicide, thankfully unsuccessful, and the other two were very close to attempting it. All four are adults now and seem to be doing very well. It's scary to think that they were each so close to ending their life as a teen. Three of them now have advanced degrees and you would never guess in a million years that they were suicidal as teens. It's really too bad there aren't mandatory classes in high school that kids can take where they discuss issues like bullying, depression, stress, and how to cope and seek help.
 














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