An Inconvenient Truth...

[TheDoctor]

A REAL Inconvenient Truth

POWER: GORE MANSION USES 20X AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD; CONSUMPTION INCREASE AFTER 'TRUTH'

drudge is pushing this slop. I hope you understand that if drudge is claiming that something is reliable, then you can bet that it is false.

In any event, here is the response from the Gore camp to the latest silliness from drudge and ilk. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/26/gore-responds-to-drudge/

Responding to Drudge’s attack, Vice President Gore’s office told ThinkProgress:

1) Gore’s family has taken numerous steps to reduce the carbon footprint of their private residence, including signing up for 100 percent green power through Green Power Switch, installing solar panels, and using compact fluorescent bulbs and other energy saving technology.

2) Gore has had a consistent position of purchasing carbon offsets to offset the family’s carbon footprint — a concept the right-wing fails to understand. Gore’s office explains:

What Mr. Gore has asked is that every family calculate their carbon footprint and try to reduce it as much as possible. Once they have done so, he then advocates that they purchase offsets, as the Gore’s do, to bring their footprint down to zero....​

These are the lengths that climate skeptics must go to suppress action on global warming. There is no meaningful debate within the scientific community, so the right-wing busies itself with talk about how much electricity Al Gore’s house uses — and even then they distort the truth.

 

[reeeoga]

You still don't get it do you? Go back and look again. Michael Moore was right!

Michale Moore is never right, he can be correct, but never right.

 

[Fitswimmer]

Sadly, most of us mortals can't afford to use all the power we want and then buy offsets to remove our "footprint". So, Al and his friends are still living with one set of rules for them and another for us. He expects us to conserve, while he and his friends have their cake and eat it too.

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

Sadly, most of us mortals can't afford to use all the power we want and then buy offsets to remove our "footprint". So, Al and his friends are still living with one set of rules for them and another for us. He expects us to conserve, while he and his friends have their cake and eat it too.

That is EXACTLY the way it is. Even IF (and that's a mighty big "if") there was any substance to this carbon offset business, it STILL shows where Gore and pals have their cake and eat it too. The rest of us are expected to stand back and applaud - puhleeze

 

[Charade]

Sadly, most of us mortals can't afford to use all the power we want and then buy offsets to remove our "footprint". So, Al and his friends are still living with one set of rules for them and another for us. He expects us to conserve, while he and his friends have their cake and eat it too.

 

[User Name]

drudge is pushing this slop. I hope you understand that if drudge is claiming that something is reliable, then you can bet that it is false.

In any event, here is the response from the Gore camp to the latest silliness from drudge and ilk. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/26/gore-responds-to-drudge/

You call it slop, yet nothing you posted contradicts what the article states. That Algore is a hypocrite. That Algore's mansion uses more electricity in a month than an average household uses in a year. That Algore's mansion uses more now than before his movie.

Tons of companies buy "carbon credits" - yet the liberal media pounces all over them.

If Algore was TRULY interested in the environment (instead of becoming the next "rock star") he wouldn't NEED to purchase credits.

I wonder how much electricity Ed Begley Jr. uses. Now HE is a true environmentalist. Not a phony using the cause du jour to make a political statement.

 

[LakeAriel]

Are you all the same people that insisted Al Gore would never get an Oscar? how about a Nobel Peace prize? Presidency? such sour grapes!

 

[Charade]

Are you all the same people that insisted Al Gore would never get an Oscar? how about a Nobel Peace prize? Presidency? such sour grapes!

No. Why would WE have sour grapes about something HE won (or didn't)??? We don't get to vote for a winner in either of those awards.

However, we're still sure he didn't win the 2000 election. Now THAT was sour grapes.

 

[Charade]

You call it slop, yet nothing you posted contradicts what the article states. That Algore is a hypocrite. That Algore's mansion uses more electricity in a month than an average household uses in a year. That Algore's mansion uses more now than before his movie.

Tons of companies buy "carbon credits" - yet the liberal media pounces all over them.

If Algore was TRULY interested in the environment (instead of becoming the next "rock star") he wouldn't NEED to purchase credits.

I wonder how much electricity Ed Begley Jr. uses. Now HE is a true environmentalist. Not a phony using the cause du jour to make a political statement.

 

[User Name]

Are you all the same people that insisted Al Gore would never get an Oscar? how about a Nobel Peace prize? Presidency? such sour grapes!

Al Gore's oscar win... selected, not elected.

 

[Charade]

Al Gore's oscar win... selected, not elected.

 

[LakeAriel]

Al Gore's oscar win... selected, not elected.

Much like the election... selected but not elected....

 

[TheDoctor]

However, we're still sure he didn't win the 2000 election. Now THAT was sour grapes.

The fact that you think this is sour grapes is sad. Again, you are WRONG as is normal for you. Again, Vice President Gore would have won Florida (and the electoral vote) as well as the popular vote but for the actions of a partisan Supreme Court. http://www.baylor.edu/Lariat/news.php?action=story&story=16905

What the media reports add almost as an afterthought, is that Gore actually receives more votes when counting all undervotes and overvotes statewide. And, as Slate.com's Mickley Claus points out in a Nov. 13 article, the review assumes only undervotes would have been counted in the recount. But, the Orlando Sentinel has since reported that Leon Circuit Judge Terry Lewis judge, who was to oversee the Dec. 9, 2000, recount, recently said he 'would not have ignored the overvote ballots.'

The Sentinel reports that Lewis had planned a hearing for later that Saturday to discuss the overvote issue. And, if the overvotes had been counted, the review finds, Gore would have won the election by between 60 to 171 votes.

Again, your claims are wrong.

 

[TheDoctor]

You call it slop, yet nothing you posted contradicts what the article states.

Here is some more on the idiots behind this report.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dave-johnson-and-james-boyce/a-far-too-convenient-mea_b_42171.html

Tennessee Center's President Drew Johnson comes straight out of the right's network, coming from Exxon-funded American Enterprise Institute and the right-wing-funded National Taxpayers Foundation.

They are part of the right's State Policy Network. According to PFAW,

"SPN is a national network of state-based right-wing organizations in 37 states as well as prominent nationwide right-wing organizations. Through its network SPN advances the public policy ideas of the expansive right-wing political movement on the state and local level."​

As of Feb. 16, the Tennessee tax dept. considers them "not a legitimate organization" because of their misrepresenting themselves involving questions about the group's opposition to a state crackdown on drug dealers.

 

[Charade]

The fact that you think this is sour grapes is sad. Again, you are WRONG as is normal for you. Again, Vice President Gore would have won Florida (and the electoral vote) as well as the popular vote but for the actions of a partisan Supreme Court. http://www.baylor.edu/Lariat/news.php?action=story&story=16905Again, your claims are wrong.

Key words "would have". Next...

And Kerry "would have" won if only he got more votes.

 

[Corwin12]

No politician, no matter what he or she says, is going to adopt Al Gore's policies ... not even Al Gore if he ran for and became president. Signing on to the Kyoto Protocol (at the cost of a mere 400,000,000,000 dollars) would cripple our economy and destroy our country. They know that which is why they speak out of both sides of their mouth. Bill Clinton knew that which is why he didn't sign it. The best way for our country to become more "green" is to let the free market guide us there. Wal-mart is not tredning toward being environment conscious because it feels it is the right thing to do, it is a corporate entity that recognizes a market for it. There are hundreds of millions of people in this country and feeding them and housing them and employing them takes energy ... a lot of it.

 

[Andy B]

So, it is OK to burn up energy if you say that you really care about the environment? You can ruin the lives of the people of Mauritius, and that's fine, so long as you pretend to care?

OK, then.

If you REALLY cared, you'd switch off your computer. But you don't. You are equally responsible for the fate of of the people of Mauritius, so hop down off that high horse.

This sort of thing gets on my nerves, the argument is unless you use no engergy yourself you cannot tell me to use less is stupid.

If we all reduced our energy consumption then we could all afford to do what we want but in a considerate manner. Low energy screens, light bulbs, efficient heating etc can reduce carbon dioxide production, I do not believe we have seen anyone advocating stopping totally the use of computers, cars not taking vacations etc but making a smart choice when you do.

The rebuttal always seems to be don't tell me what to do if you are on these boards, it will happen anyway, it is not happening, it is happening but it's not man's fault, it will destroy the economy, what about those other countries.

Yes the climate has always varied between warm and cold periods but there seems to be evidence that we are making a difference to the speed and probable range of the change which could have disasterous effects. Yes there are experts that claim otherwise but there are also experts that claimed tobacco was healthy or that the Nazis did not kill millions of Jews.

If the US was to put the effort into low energy technology it would benefit the economy and could also prevent the promulgation of high carbon energy use in underdeveloped countries by then selling the technology tho those areas producing profits and global benefits.

For those who are denying there is a problem or saying they will not change (not stop) their behaviour can they say why?

 

[TheDoctor]

Key words "would have". Next...

And Kerry "would have" won if only he got more votes.

What a silly post even for you. Again, Gore did win. He had the most votes in Florida and the most votes in the rest of the country. I know that math may be beyond you but let make it simple. Vice President Gore had MORE votes in both the popular vote and more votes in Florida than bush. Five republican traitors on the Supreme Court stopped the recount and selected bush. bush lost the election and Vice President Gore won the election. If you need me to break it down in even more basic terms, I will be glad to do so.

 

[TheDoctor]

That Algore is a hypocrite. That Algore's mansion uses more electricity in a month than an average household uses in a year. That Algore's mansion uses more now than before his movie.

You are so wrong on some many issues that it will take too long to find something that you have stated that is correct. According to an article in the Tennessee paper, he is walking the walk even though conservatives may be unable to understand the concept. http://www.thetennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070227/NEWS01/702270382

Gore's power bill shows, however, that the former vice president may be doing just that.

Gore purchased 108 blocks of "green power" for each of the past three months, according to a summary of the bills.

That's a total of $432 a month Gore paid extra for solar or other renewable energy sources.

The green power Gore purchased in those three months is equivalent to recycling 2.48 million aluminum cans or 286,092 pounds of newspaper, according to comparison figures on NES' Web site.

NES joined the TVA program in 2000 to give power customers a way to support environmentally sound sources of electricity.....

"Every family has a different carbon footprint," said Kalee Krider, a spokeswoman for Gore. The Gores' 10,000-square-foot house on Lynnwood Boulevard has a large one.

The Green Power Switch program isn't all that Gore and his wife, Tipper, are doing, Krider said.

They use compact fluorescent light bulbs and are in the midst of a renovation project that includes having solar panels installed on their home to reduce fossil fuel consumption, she said.

Their car? A Lexis hybrid SUV.

BTW, when you rely on drudge for you facts, you can count on being wrong.

 

[Corwin12]

Actually, Doctor, those facts did not come from Drudge. They came from the
Tennessee Center for Policy Research, which cited figures from the Nashville Electric Service that showed Gore burned through 22,619 kilowatt-hours of electricity at his house last August, a rate that is twice the level used by an average U.S. household in an entire year.

http://www.tennesseepolicy.org/main/article.php?article_id=367

Are you going to say that they are lying too? Do you believe that everyone who points out the hypocracy of a politician is lying if said politician happens to be a Democrat? Or maybe it is okay because Al Gore buys carbon credits. Well, I just bought some "sunshine tokens" so I don't have to feel guilty about using $75.00 worth of electricty last month.