Ambidextrous vs not crossing midline questions

[Tinkmom75]

I would like to get some comments or feed back from Occupational Therapists or people with experience of a natural born ambidextrous person.

My DS5 switches hands often. He does this in writing and sports. He is stronger with his left hand, but automatically will switch to his right hand. His writing is very poor, but he is only 5 and did not attend preschool. It has been improving since the beginning of the school year.

He was evaluated by an Occupational Therapist at the school and she said he is not crossing the midline and gave me some activities to work on. He doesn't need special class with the Therapist for this. He is in Speech class and turned 5 in August. They told me also to encourage him to use his more dominant left hand.

I guess I'm wondering if I really should have him lean toward his left hand. He is a young Kindergartener. I also think it would not necessarily be a bad thing to be ambidextrous. What are your thoughts and oppinions?

 

[FINFAN]

Oh man...ok, here goes. My DS is ambidextrous. In kindergarten, unknowing to us, his teacher was forcing him daily to write with his right hand, as he was "too slow" with his left...the hand he was favoring more, but would use both. It was when we were doing Valentines for classmates that I realized what was up. I thought nothing of him switching which hand he was using, until he threw the marker and yelled he HATES that he can't use both hands for writing in school, and why does his teacher always pick on him for being so slow and tell him he is the worst in the class!
So for 3/4th of the school year he was struggling with writing/penmanship, we were getting feed back from the teacher that he needs to practice, and is distracted etc,when all along she was forcing an issue that frustrating him. We met, told her that she was to allow him to use whichever hand..but the damage was done. Everytime he had a paper he wasone of the last if not the last person to turn it in as now he kept comparing which hand to use, classmates came down on him for holding things up(discovered the teacher was using recess as a punishment, if my kid wasn't done on time, she kept the class in...witch) anyway, it has afflicted him allthese years, he does now use his right hand for writing but every sport he is lefty except baseball, he is a switch-hitter. That teacher was the devil. I saw her at outpatient hospital services 2 years later..she said she wasin for knee surgery. I replied I thought it was a good idea because she will need her knees in church praying for forgiveness of ruining a little boys self -esteem, confidence and actually friendships with other 5 year olds who learned to hate the kid who cost them recess. She completey abused the imbalance of power, had zero patience and decided her classroom, her rules. DS went to therapy (phycial and psych) the therapist wanted us to bring a suit against the teacher, school and district thought it was positively archaic that the teacher did that. We sent that school and that teacher a happy, well-behaved kid who liked school and wanted to learn how to wrtie in his "pilot book" and she crushed his spirit, confidence and love of learning.
Sorry, it is a VERY sensitive subject for me...I see all these teachers allowing kids to be abusive, texting, disruptive, obnoxious,,,and they laugh along with it, acting like teh "best friend" of the popular kids...when my kid was tormented for wanting to use the gift of being able towrite with both hands...unreal.
I would not push either hand, he will choose and he will be confident in his choice. That is just me tho, not a pro.

 

[Disneefun]

I am naturally ambidextrous. I think it's because I was born to a left handed father and a right handed mother and they each tried to teach me things the way they knew how to do them. So I learned both ways of doing most things.

Now, I was born back in the day before occupational therapy, etc. so I have no idea what "crossing the midline" means. When I was a kid, you just kind of developed however you developed. I can write with either hand, although as a kid I was told to "choose" simply because it was easier for the teachers to teach writing if the same hand was used consistently. I chose left handed -- I think it was just a tad more comfortable to me. Now, my writing is clearer with my left, but I can still write right handed. (which came in serious handy when I broke my left arm.)

I played softball as a kid and caught and threw left handed, but could hit either way (fun for the opposing team to figure that out). I shot basketballs more right handed. When I took up figure skating, I jumped as a right handed person does, but was more comfortable spinning as a lefty. I tie my shoes like a righty. I play tennis lefty. I can use scissors either way (which is nice b/c lefty scissors are hard to find sometimes.) I'm a strange mish mash.

I can tell you, though, that it's kind of fun to be ambidextrous. Like I said, it comes in handy when you break your dominant hand. And I think it makes it easier for people to teach me things. In sports, I never had the problem of a coach not being able to teach me something b/c I was the opposite hand of the coach. Whatever he could teach, I could learn. It made me very adaptable. I don't really feel uncomfortable doing anything b/c whatever I'm doing I can use either hand.

I'd say to let the kid choose whatever hand he's comfortable with. He'll probably show a preference at some point. When I was five, I was using both hands regularly. I think I was in the third grade (when we started learning cursive) before they basically said, "choose one hand to write with" and by then I was showing a slight preference for my left. But I don't think I'd ever force a kid to become dominant handed if they showed an ability to use both. I'd encourage that because, in my experience, it makes you so much more adaptable than others.

 

[Hoodie]

I'm interested because although my DS is still pretty young, he definitely switches hands. He's been predominately left since birth (left side has always been stronger) but does some things right handed. I have a feeling we may be in your shoes in about a year.

Finfan - wow. I'd be ballistic at that teacher. Was she older? My grandmother is naturally left handed but was "corrected" at school. She writes righthanded, but everything else is done lefthanded. DS's daycare provider is older and asked us if we were "okay" with DS being lefthanded (um..yeah). She said she personally doesn't believe in "correction", but knows some people who think being left-handed needs to be "corrected". I'd be royally ticked if she was forcing him to be right handed!

 

[tiggger1]

I would think that the OT would now the difference between crossing the mid-line vs being ambidextrous. My son had slight issues with that when he first started writing but it was definitely a mid-line issue since he was changing hands in the middle of drawing a line once he hit the middle. if it was a ambidextrous issue he would just switch between the two but would cross the mid-line.

 

[tiggger1]

crossing the midline means that if you were drawing a line on a large piece of paper you would switch hands when you reached the middle of the body, because the brain is having issues with your hand/arm crossing over to the other side. or you have a hard time using your right hand to touch your left shoulder...

so if a child with midline issues would start of righting a sentence with his left hand and then finish the sentence with his right.



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I am naturally ambidextrous. I think it's because I was born to a left handed father and a right handed mother and they each tried to teach me things the way they knew how to do them. So I learned both ways of doing most things.

Now, I was born back in the day before occupational therapy, etc. so I have no idea what "crossing the midline" means. When I was a kid, you just kind of developed however you developed. I can write with either hand, although as a kid I was told to "choose" simply because it was easier for the teachers to teach writing if the same hand was used consistently. I chose left handed -- I think it was just a tad more comfortable to me. Now, my writing is clearer with my left, but I can still write right handed. (which came in serious handy when I broke my left arm.)

I played softball as a kid and caught and threw left handed, but could hit either way (fun for the opposing team to figure that out). I shot basketballs more right handed. When I took up figure skating, I jumped as a right handed person does, but was more comfortable spinning as a lefty. I tie my shoes like a righty. I play tennis lefty. I can use scissors either way (which is nice b/c lefty scissors are hard to find sometimes.) I'm a strange mish mash.

I can tell you, though, that it's kind of fun to be ambidextrous. Like I said, it comes in handy when you break your dominant hand. And I think it makes it easier for people to teach me things. In sports, I never had the problem of a coach not being able to teach me something b/c I was the opposite hand of the coach. Whatever he could teach, I could learn. It made me very adaptable. I don't really feel uncomfortable doing anything b/c whatever I'm doing I can use either hand.

I'd say to let the kid choose whatever hand he's comfortable with. He'll probably show a preference at some point. When I was five, I was using both hands regularly. I think I was in the third grade (when we started learning cursive) before they basically said, "choose one hand to write with" and by then I was showing a slight preference for my left. But I don't think I'd ever force a kid to become dominant handed if they showed an ability to use both. I'd encourage that because, in my experience, it makes you so much more adaptable than others.

 

[bellarella]

There is a difference between being ambidextrous and not crossing midline. I agree that an OT would probably be able to spot the difference. Does your son switch hands in the middle of a task? Or does he complete tasks with either hand and just chooses different hands at different times? If you have any questions about it, maybe see another OT for a second opinion. In ability to cross midline can cause issues down the line -- you want to be able to train your brain to be able to do it. (My eyes do not cross midline -- it causes issues with depth perception and reading for me. I'm too old to care about spending the time retraining them now that I've come up with coping mechanisms, but if it had been appropriately identified as a child, it would have been good for me to have "rewired" my brain back then.)

 

[FINFAN]

I'm interested because although my DS is still pretty young, he definitely switches hands. He's been predominately left since birth (left side has always been stronger) but does some things right handed. I have a feeling we may be in your shoes in about a year.

Finfan - wow. I'd be ballistic at that teacher. Was she older? My grandmother is naturally left handed but was "corrected" at school. She writes righthanded, but everything else is done lefthanded. DS's daycare provider is older and asked us if we were "okay" with DS being lefthanded (um..yeah). She said she personally doesn't believe in "correction", but knows some people who think being left-handed needs to be "corrected". I'd be royally ticked if she was forcing him to be right handed!

ballistic is putting it mildly...DH was infuriated and we had our older DD to think about as far as a lawsuit were to go...a family gets blackballed instantly around here when pointing out imperfections of the school district/teachers. She was older but not THAT old, 51...biding her time until retirement. She was simply not going to be bothered with waiting on DS, with having to actually teach him both ways of writing or allowing him to work at his own pace. And yes, she was tenured, bullet-proof. We asked that she embrace his skills...to not be so hung up on him being the best or the fastest, that he was learning and he would practice both ways at home. She acted all agreeable in the meetings, but DS told use in class it was a different story. The kid was so torn because he had been in pre-school at age 2 and he knew the respect a teacher was to have, he did not think he could disagree with what she was telling him to do...and she took advantage of her power.
If I had done that to a client at work, took advantage, I'd have been fired on the spot. Tenure makes me insane.
tw, ds is 16 1/2 now, and a Junior in high school and he still remarks wbout how miserable that teacher made him and how she altered his options in life.

 

[Tinkmom75]

Thanks for the comments. When he is doing activities with pencil he sticks with one hand. If it is coloring he may set one crayon down and then pick up the next with another hand.

Are there different levels of not crossing the mid-line? They are not putting him in therapy for it.

 

[Magpie]

Oh man...ok, here goes. My DS is ambidextrous. In kindergarten, unknowing to us, his teacher was forcing him daily to write with his right hand, as he was "too slow" with his left...the hand he was favoring more, but would use both. It was when we were doing Valentines for classmates that I realized what was up. I thought nothing of him switching which hand he was using, until he threw the marker and yelled he HATES that he can't use both hands for writing in school, and why does his teacher always pick on him for being so slow and tell him he is the worst in the class!
So for 3/4th of the school year he was struggling with writing/penmanship, we were getting feed back from the teacher that he needs to practice, and is distracted etc,when all along she was forcing an issue that frustrating him. We met, told her that she was to allow him to use whichever hand..but the damage was done. Everytime he had a paper he wasone of the last if not the last person to turn it in as now he kept comparing which hand to use, classmates came down on him for holding things up(discovered the teacher was using recess as a punishment, if my kid wasn't done on time, she kept the class in...witch) anyway, it has afflicted him allthese years, he does now use his right hand for writing but every sport he is lefty except baseball, he is a switch-hitter. That teacher was the devil. I saw her at outpatient hospital services 2 years later..she said she wasin for knee surgery. I replied I thought it was a good idea because she will need her knees in church praying for forgiveness of ruining a little boys self -esteem, confidence and actually friendships with other 5 year olds who learned to hate the kid who cost them recess. She completey abused the imbalance of power, had zero patience and decided her classroom, her rules. DS went to therapy (phycial and psych) the therapist wanted us to bring a suit against the teacher, school and district thought it was positively archaic that the teacher did that. We sent that school and that teacher a happy, well-behaved kid who liked school and wanted to learn how to wrtie in his "pilot book" and she crushed his spirit, confidence and love of learning.
Sorry, it is a VERY sensitive subject for me...I see all these teachers allowing kids to be abusive, texting, disruptive, obnoxious,,,and they laugh along with it, acting like teh "best friend" of the popular kids...when my kid was tormented for wanting to use the gift of being able towrite with both hands...unreal.
I would not push either hand, he will choose and he will be confident in his choice. That is just me tho, not a pro.

This sounds like the horrible woman my children had in kindergarten. She tried to force my lefty son to write with his right hand. I realized what was going on when I saw him in class holding the pencil in his right hand and using his left hand to "direct" the top of the pencil!

It was mostly because of her that he ended up "dropping out" of school halfway through senior kindergarten. By then she'd retired (in the middle of the year!) and the next teacher was sweet and supportive, but my son had already had enough. He didn't want to go to school any more. He said his brain was "bad". He said he wished he was dead! We pulled him out and homeschooled him for the next five years.

Teachers like that should never be allowed around children.

OP - as long as your child is sticking to one hand when he's writing, I'd let him use whichever hand he likes. Left or right, it doesn't matter.

I'm an artist and I sometimes use both hands to colour and paint, even though I write with my right hand. So I'm very much in favour of letting kids be artistic in whichever way works best for them.

 

[Wishing on a star]

My son has similar issues....
We had a FULL evaluation done....
These issues turned out to be a big factor in his disability. (diagnosed as he turned 7)
Visual processing problems/deficits can affect many facets of ones life.
So, just a heads up.

1. This teacher is just WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.
Of course, it is problematic to think of removing your son from this class this late in the year. However, now that you have this diagnosis, I would definitely consider requesting a meeting with the Principal, and perhaps the SPED department, to make sure that your son does not ever, ever, suffer for being punished for a recognized and diagosed deficit/issue. For me, this would have to stop IMMEDIATELY.

2. And, just a note... forcing a left handed or ambidextrous child to use only their right hand can cause many problems and issues as their brain is being wired. (Have you seen 'The King's Speech'.)

3. Crossing the midline is a neurological thing with visual processing. It is not using one hand on one side and one on the other... It is a neurological visual processing issue. To this day my son might occasionally have to pause and make sure that he is getting mirror image letters such as d/b correctly. There used to be a 50/50 chance that dog would be spelled bog.

Perhaps you can find more good info on these things online?

Hope this helps!

 

[Mrs. Charming]

Oh man...ok, here goes. My DS is ambidextrous. In kindergarten, unknowing to us, his teacher was forcing him daily to write with his right hand, as he was "too slow" with his left...the hand he was favoring more, but would use both. It was when we were doing Valentines for classmates that I realized what was up. I thought nothing of him switching which hand he was using, until he threw the marker and yelled he HATES that he can't use both hands for writing in school, and why does his teacher always pick on him for being so slow and tell him he is the worst in the class!
So for 3/4th of the school year he was struggling with writing/penmanship, we were getting feed back from the teacher that he needs to practice, and is distracted etc,when all along she was forcing an issue that frustrating him. We met, told her that she was to allow him to use whichever hand..but the damage was done. Everytime he had a paper he wasone of the last if not the last person to turn it in as now he kept comparing which hand to use, classmates came down on him for holding things up(discovered the teacher was using recess as a punishment, if my kid wasn't done on time, she kept the class in...witch) anyway, it has afflicted him allthese years, he does now use his right hand for writing but every sport he is lefty except baseball, he is a switch-hitter. That teacher was the devil. I saw her at outpatient hospital services 2 years later..she said she wasin for knee surgery. I replied I thought it was a good idea because she will need her knees in church praying for forgiveness of ruining a little boys self -esteem, confidence and actually friendships with other 5 year olds who learned to hate the kid who cost them recess. She completey abused the imbalance of power, had zero patience and decided her classroom, her rules. DS went to therapy (phycial and psych) the therapist wanted us to bring a suit against the teacher, school and district thought it was positively archaic that the teacher did that. We sent that school and that teacher a happy, well-behaved kid who liked school and wanted to learn how to wrtie in his "pilot book" and she crushed his spirit, confidence and love of learning.
Sorry, it is a VERY sensitive subject for me...I see all these teachers allowing kids to be abusive, texting, disruptive, obnoxious,,,and they laugh along with it, acting like teh "best friend" of the popular kids...when my kid was tormented for wanting to use the gift of being able towrite with both hands...unreal.
I would not push either hand, he will choose and he will be confident in his choice. That is just me tho, not a pro.

That sounds like my first grade teacher. What an evil woman.

I was ambidextrous in Kindergarten, I wrote slightly better with my right but cut with scissors better with my left. I was pretty dominant with my right until I started carrying little kiddos around, and well, it's all coming back and I'm pretty darn good with my left again.

OP, I say let it go. I'm sure he's fine. I hate how every little quirk is now some form of disorder. You'd think that being ambidextrous would be an asset, not a fault.

 

[jeepgirl30]

Oh man...ok, here goes. My DS is ambidextrous. In kindergarten, unknowing to us, his teacher was forcing him daily to write with his right hand, as he was "too slow" with his left...the hand he was favoring more, but would use both. It was when we were doing Valentines for classmates that I realized what was up. I thought nothing of him switching which hand he was using, until he threw the marker and yelled he HATES that he can't use both hands for writing in school, and why does his teacher always pick on him for being so slow and tell him he is the worst in the class!
So for 3/4th of the school year he was struggling with writing/penmanship, we were getting feed back from the teacher that he needs to practice, and is distracted etc,when all along she was forcing an issue that frustrating him. We met, told her that she was to allow him to use whichever hand..but the damage was done. Everytime he had a paper he wasone of the last if not the last person to turn it in as now he kept comparing which hand to use, classmates came down on him for holding things up(discovered the teacher was using recess as a punishment, if my kid wasn't done on time, she kept the class in...witch) anyway, it has afflicted him allthese years, he does now use his right hand for writing but every sport he is lefty except baseball, he is a switch-hitter. That teacher was the devil. I saw her at outpatient hospital services 2 years later..she said she wasin for knee surgery. I replied I thought it was a good idea because she will need her knees in church praying for forgiveness of ruining a little boys self -esteem, confidence and actually friendships with other 5 year olds who learned to hate the kid who cost them recess. She completey abused the imbalance of power, had zero patience and decided her classroom, her rules. DS went to therapy (phycial and psych) the therapist wanted us to bring a suit against the teacher, school and district thought it was positively archaic that the teacher did that. We sent that school and that teacher a happy, well-behaved kid who liked school and wanted to learn how to wrtie in his "pilot book" and she crushed his spirit, confidence and love of learning.
Sorry, it is a VERY sensitive subject for me...I see all these teachers allowing kids to be abusive, texting, disruptive, obnoxious,,,and they laugh along with it, acting like teh "best friend" of the popular kids...when my kid was tormented for wanting to use the gift of being able towrite with both hands...unreal.
I would not push either hand, he will choose and he will be confident in his choice. That is just me tho, not a pro.

My son had a preschool teacher who forced him to eat with his right hand for the same "slowness" reason.

I noticed early he favored his left and talked with preschool requesting they allow him to figure it out on his own and not make him change hands if he was writing with his left. His teacher said no problem she would let him write lefty. One day he told me he didn't want lunch anymore at daycare. I finally figured out what he was trying to tell me, the teacher (she was younger, not young but like maybe 30?) was making him use his right. I talked to her and she kept insisting she believed he would be better off learning to use his right and she was also making him write with is right. I was so mad because I had told her from the start he was to use his left for writing and she had agreed. She said well all kids try their left and then basically admitted she blew me off because most kids will switch to their right.

I actually had to go to the director and was promised it would be taken care of. Finally my son was moved to a different room because of his age and that teacher said to me one day "do you know your son is left handed?" I was like um YES. She said she noticed it and started having him use his left and he did much better.

so frustrating!

 

[FINFAN]

not to hijack on the OP, but thanks everyone, for sharing your stories. We felt ( and still feel) very isolated about this incident..Magpie..yep,our DS said the same, that he had a stupid brain, went to school in tears, but wanted to still fo to see his "friends"..he didn't want to lose them even tho they were teasing him behind hid back. DS is NOT fan of school to this day..and it breaks our hearts as he test extremely high, lives off of the History and Discovery channels, reads every history, miiltary history item he can get his hands on...however, he will shine once he is out of tradtional education and can see that his choices are good ones and he can trust in himself.

 

[GeorgeG]

I would allow your son to develop on his own. There was a time when being left-handed was a curse, which probably led to many people not understanding being ambidextrous. I've been told that ambitextrous people are able to think with both sides of their brain (?). I don't know if that's true, but I don't see it as a bad thing.

I'm ambitextrous, but didn't realize it until I was an adult. I write with my right hand, but that's probably because that's how I was taught many years ago (too many for me to remember). For everything else, I don't think about which hand to use other than what seems to be easiest or closest at the time. Many people assume I'm left-handed so, other than writing, I suppose my dominant hand would be my left. Consider how much we all do that requires both hands and it shouldn't matter which we use to do the rest. There is one thing about me that is strange (well, maybe more than one): I eat and drink most things with my left hand, but usually eat desserts with my right hand. I'm coming up on 65 and have never been able to figure that one out.

 

[Tinkmom75]

Just to be clear my DS is not being punished for using his right hand. It has just been stated to encourage him to write with his left hand since it seems to be slightly dominant. He does not seem to have any issues with school and enjoys going. I am very sorry for those whose children were punished or belittled for this.

I've been given a list of suggestions such as play twister, play a marching game where child must raise his right knee to his left elbow and vice versa.

The list of difficulties if dominance is not established includes:
1. difficulty perceiving left and right side of objects (this doesn't apply to him)

2. Uncertaintly about personal left and right body sides (doesn't apply to him)

3. problems with word finding (questionable, but he is 5 and just starting to read)

4. difficulty with organization (boy and 5 so this isn't conclusive)

5. poor gross and fine motor skills in general (he seems ok with gross, but fine motor skills are a problem)

6. writing patterns inconsistent and untidy (this applies)

7. possible difficulties with writing and reading activities (writing a problem, he seems ok with reading for his age)

I guess I need to contact the occupational therapist for her full report. The speech therapist gave me a full list of all the sounds he was pronouncing correctly and the sounds he wasn't. It was very professional and thorough. Are there different degrees to not crossing midline or is it you either do or don't?

 

[bluesaturn]

My son has similar issues....
We had a FULL evaluation done....
These issues turned out to be a big factor in his disability. (diagnosed as he turned 7)
Visual processing problems/deficits can affect many facets of ones life.
So, just a heads up.

1. This teacher is just WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.
Of course, it is problematic to think of removing your son from this class this late in the year. However, now that you have this diagnosis, I would definitely consider requesting a meeting with the Principal, and perhaps the SPED department, to make sure that your son does not ever, ever, suffer for being punished for a recognized and diagosed deficit/issue. For me, this would have to stop IMMEDIATELY.

2. And, just a note... forcing a left handed or ambidextrous child to use only their right hand can cause many problems and issues as their brain is being wired. (Have you seen 'The King's Speech'.)

3. Crossing the midline is a neurological thing with visual processing. It is not using one hand on one side and one on the other... It is a neurological visual processing issue. To this day my son might occasionally have to pause and make sure that he is getting mirror image letters such as d/b correctly. There used to be a 50/50 chance that dog would be spelled bog.

Perhaps you can find more good info on these things online?

Hope this helps!

The teacher is not wrong, because the teacher is not involved (as far as we know). The OP's kiddo is not being punished for using both hands.

OP, I would definitely ask for a full report from the OT. Was a formal evaluation done? Even if there was no diagnosis, I would think they would provide you with a report following the eval, that's just the professional thing to do. If they can't give you a formal report, I would get a second opinion.

 

[ZuZugal]

DS17 is quite ambidextrous. He writes with his right hand (by choice) but plays sports as a left-hand dominant - and he does switch hit!

I always thought he wrote with his right hand to be like all of the other kids in preschool, but he told me that writing with his right hand is what felt right. Lefty in golf, basketball, baseball and hockey though.

 

[PinballFamily]

Hi, OP. I saw your post early on but held off posting to see what other advice other folks would give.

But, the one thing I would add that I haven't yet seen specifically mentioned is to pursue your own medical/OT professional diagnosis for your son. It is great that you've gotten the school OT involved, but in some areas (hopefully not in yours, but you never know), school-based evaluators are sometimes reluctant to add children into the sped/special services system. Lack of funding, personnel, time, etc. unfortunately sometimes get in the way of children getting what they need when they need it.

Not crossing the midline can be a flag for other issues (it was in our child's case) and it sounds like you are being proactive for your child. Good for you!

If you haven't already, you may want to pursue your questions with a developmental pedi (your regular pedi could refer you to one) and/or a private/objective OT specializing in children. If their reports match up to your school OTs (that your son "doesn't need the special class") - then you've got some peace of mind that you're all on the right track. But if not, then you'll have more of a road map to discuss with your district to get your child the assistance and support he needs. Perhaps this is a situation which will resolve itself as your child matures, but perhaps he'll need some specialized assistance...in any case, good luck!

 

[Wishing on a star]

Ohhhh yes, Sorry, it was the teacher in the other post who was so very wrong!

However, IMHO, even 'encouraging' a child to switch from the hand he may favor to another, is wrong....

OP, hope you are learning more and understanding more about the mid-line thing and being ambidextrous!