Am I the Only One Who Doesn't Tip Housekeeping?

[Hippychickali]

I'm not nitpicking. I was only saying that the judging goes on on both sides of the issue. That's all I was trying to say.

Point well taken. Now can we please move on?

Ali

 

[Laura66]

I'm new here and I've been reading these posts - and it's so suprsing to me how people get hot over this.

I do tip and always tip the mousekeepers and Disney. Yes they are paid by Disney - but not much, that's what the recent strike uproar was about. They are usually minorities who get paid minimum wage and have a time allotment to clean the rooms. And they pick up after a lot of dirty people. It's just something I budget into my vacation.

A lot of people who don't tip and have the attitude that it's their job I'd like to ask you this. Does your current job give you bonus? Do you get Christmas presents from your job? And if you did would you turn them down because afterall, you're just doing your job? It's nice to be appreciated with a small token of money or a thank you or a smile.

Tipping is a personal choice - but I get offended and hurt (even though I'm not the one who's not being tipped) because it's a sad thing not to show anyone who might look after you and make your stay at Disney a little easier.

Really you could apply the same concept to everyday life. I guess I have a problem with people that can blow money on big vacations and cars and gadgets and not try to help out their fellow man.

 

[SlightlyGoofy]

Hi Vernon! I would have never guessed that a person who worked at a more expensive place would not earn more per hour than one who worked at a cheap place. Since I do not stay at very expensive places I would not know that one. I live in a huge house and kind of enjoy the simple life when away from home and prefer to spend more time rather than big bucks but that is just my choice, not for everyone. Just wondering why a person would work for a cheap place where the work has to be harder than a fancy place if that is so? If someone has inside knowledge of this I would be interested in learning something new.

I am also of the opinion that waitstaff at the expensive places earn more per hour just by virtue of the fact that most tipping is done according to the bill total and the total is much more at those places. Guess that is why I choose to tip higher at the cheaper places. Is just my way. Whatever you way is fine with me. I have enough trouble taking care of my own morals and such and do not have the time, energy or interest in minding what others do.

BTW, I rather enjoy the debate of such topics. I like different points of view even when I do not agree or whatever. If all I know is what I know then I know nothing.

SG/Linda

 

[disneychrista]

A lot of people who don't tip and have the attitude that it's their job I'd like to ask you this. Does your current job give you bonus? Do you get Christmas presents from your job? And if you did would you turn them down because afterall, you're just doing your job? It's nice to be appreciated with a small token of money or a thank you or a smile.

Tipping is a lot different then a bonus or holiday "gift." These things are given by the business not by the people the business serves.

Tipping is a personal choice - but I get offended and hurt (even though I'm not the one who's not being tipped) because it's a sad thing not to show anyone who might look after you and make your stay at Disney a little easier.

You are hurt and offended that people are choosing not to tip based on the fact that DISNEY does not consider it a tipped position and have to pay them a wage based on this.

 

[vernon]

Just wondering why a person would work for a cheap place where the work has to be harder than a fancy place if that is so? If someone has inside knowledge of this I would be interested in learning something new.

Two points
1) Do you think the rooms at the All Star are more difficult to clean than those at the GF?
2) When potential staff at Disney are interviewed for a mousekeeping position the do not know which resort they will be hired for until after the interview has completed. They are interviewed for a mousekeeping position within the organisation, the resort is designated later. Granted the surroundings at the GF are prettier, but other than that the job is basically the same. IMHO scrubbing out someone elses toilet doesn't get any better because the decor is a little more upscale.

I am also of the opinion that waitstaff at the expensive places earn more per hour just by virtue of the fact that most tipping is done according to the bill total and the total is much more at those places. Guess that is why I choose to tip higher at the cheaper places.

Not sure if this was meant for me, but as I have already stated ( on this topic and many others before) in restaurants I agree with your thinking, although I'm not sure if you mean that you tip proportionally (%age of bill wise) higher in a "low end" restaurant or if you mean the actual amount of $$S you leave. For a $20 meal I would probably leave a tip of $5 for adiquate service ( 25%) maybe more for great service, for a $200 meal I'd probably leave $25-30 (15%). My expectations of service would be far higher at a high end place and the service would have to be truly outstanding to earn more than 15% from me. At a Denny's a prompt, polite and hard working service is going to earn 20-25%. I don't think you're saying you'd tip $20 at a Denny's for a $20 meal and $5 at Emeril's on a $200 evening, that would be slightly more than slightly goofey LOL.

You are hurt and offended that people are choosing not to tip based on the fact that DISNEY does not consider it a tipped position and have to pay them a wage based on this.

It appears house keeping is a "grey area" to Disney as far as tipping is concerned. There are "tipping" positions (bellboys, restaurant and barstaff) where Disney feel they need to remind their guests that tipping makes up a large part of that person's wage. There are the majority of other "non tipping" positions ( ticketing staff, front desk, retail staff) where Disney expressly states that those staff are not allowed to receive tips and may fire staff who accept payments. Housekeeping is neither, tipping is not "expected" as it seems to be in some positions by the company to make up the wages of their staff, nor is it discouraged (in very plain language at risk of being fired). If Disney did not consider housekeeping to be a position where tipping is in keeping with the position and a reflection of a customer's satifaction with an unappealing job being done well , then DIsney would include it in the positions where it would be a sackable offense to accept the tip. Disney does not view housekepping in that manner, therefore Disney does not consider mousekeeping to be a "non tipping" postion , I feel the company's position is one of that should a guest feel the job/services justify a tip then it is appropriate.

It never ceases to amaze me that when people feel they don't want to pay for something they feel a desire to justify their choice (I'm poor, I tidy my own room (p.s. it still gets properly cleaned by the maids, you ain't saving anyone work). If you don't think mousekeeping deserves more than $6.30 an hour for cleaning your soiled toilet bowl, removing your pubic hair from the bath drain or bed don't pay it. A couple of bucks is going to make someone feel appreciated, but if you need the money that much, I'm sure they will understand. I would guess the majority of people spend in the region of $1000 as a minimum for a WDW holiday, if $10 is going to make or break your ability to do so, I think your need is greater than theirs

 

[Laura66]

You're right - Disney does not state that it is a tipping posistion. But we all know that those people make minimum wage and have a very hard job to do that makes our stay at Disney a little nicer and more comfortable. Showing your appreciation - somehow - is just a nice thing to do.

And, I'm not payed for being a housewife - but when my husband thanks me for keeping the house clean or compliments my dinner or offers to watch the baby so I can go out with my friends - that's nice. The same when my children thank me for doing washing their clothes or taking them to their activities or driving them to the mall. I always thank my husband for taking us on vacations and providing for us . . . . .

We all have jobs - paid or otherwise - I'm just saying the world would be such a better place if people let others know how much they appreciate what they do - be it a tip, a thank you, a note or a hug.

You can attack me if you want - but I must say I agree with the people who think that if a 10-30 dollar tip allowance is out of your budget - well then . . .


I guess it boils down to what type of person you are - a what can you do or what are you supposed to do for me - or what can I do for others . . .

Just my opinion,
Laura

 

[disneychrista]

It never ceases to amaze me that when people feel they don't want to pay for something they feel a desire to justify their choice (I'm poor, I tidy my own room (p.s. it still gets properly cleaned by the maids, you ain't saving anyone work).

I, personally, do not justify in any other way then it is not a tipped position, so therefore no tip is necessary. As for what wage they recieve that is not up to me it is up to Disney. And yes I know the more they pay their employees the more the resort room would be.

 

[Hippychickali]

Who cares how people justify why they tip or why they don't? The point I've been trying to make is that it is an individual choice. People shouldn't feel like they have to tip or that they shouldn't tip. I think that's as clearly as I'm going to state my point of view.

Ali

 

[totalia]

I'm new here and I've been reading these posts - and it's so suprsing to me how people get hot over this.

I do tip and always tip the mousekeepers and Disney. Yes they are paid by Disney - but not much, that's what the recent strike uproar was about. They are usually minorities who get paid minimum wage and have a time allotment to clean the rooms. And they pick up after a lot of dirty people. It's just something I budget into my vacation.

A lot of people who don't tip and have the attitude that it's their job I'd like to ask you this. Does your current job give you bonus? Do you get Christmas presents from your job? And if you did would you turn them down because afterall, you're just doing your job? It's nice to be appreciated with a small token of money or a thank you or a smile.

Tipping is a personal choice - but I get offended and hurt (even though I'm not the one who's not being tipped) because it's a sad thing not to show anyone who might look after you and make your stay at Disney a little easier.

Really you could apply the same concept to everyday life. I guess I have a problem with people that can blow money on big vacations and cars and gadgets and not try to help out their fellow man.

Well I don't know about the minority thing but every hotel has time alotments for rooms. Minimum wage isn't all that bad. Besides, what can you expect cleaning rooms? IF you want a higher paying job, get a job that pays more. Even factory work will give you more money.

My current job doesn't give me a bonus. Though when we do a particularly good night (selling out all rooms) we sometimes get a $10 gift certificcate to walmart or to have dinner at a restaurant. But that is the choice of my employers not given to me out of pity by the guests.

I don't get Christmas presents (where in the world do they give those?) though I usually get a Christmas card (didn't get one last year though).

Would I turn them down? Yes I would if they came from a guest. I AM just doing my job and I don't expect anything but a heartfelt thanks. If they came from my boss, I'd probably ask why I was given them (makes me suspicious. I've seen too much) and then just say thank you because its rude to refuse the boss (and would probably tick off the person who controls your paycheck). But there are things that would mean much more to me than stupid gifts or a bonus. Things like giving me a day off when I need it means more or allowing me that extra two days on my vacation time.

How does tipping show you care? You don't need to give them money for that. Just say thank you or even leave a note that says how much you appreciate them.

No offence but you don't know me and you don't know how much money I have. I don't blow money on big vacations. My dream has always been to go to Disneyland since I was so little I can't remember. Now I am finally getting the chance and my fiance and I are sacrificing big time to do it. I don't own a car and can't afford one (hence one of the sacrifices). What gadgets? Everything I own is from my first marriage and he kept 99% of it. Whoppdidoo, I got the microwave and a broken VCR from the marriage. He kept even the tv. I'm using my parents old one.

Where you got the idea that I can spend money like its water, I don't know.

I may be going to Disney but this is my dream since I was a child and we can only do it by sacrificing. I can't even work right now because of the car accident and it will be at least another two months till I can because I can't even walk so all of it is falling on him right now.

Call me selfish if you want but I am getting a dream fulfilled and suffering to do it. I am NOT going to sacrifice my very hard fought for money to someone else for doing their job.

 

[BonSchwe]

Vernon - I totally agree with the way of your thinking. I always tip mousekeeping a couple of dollars. Their doing the jobs I do at home - which are not the greatest - and I well appreciate it by leaving a small tip every morning. It is written into our vacation budget (extra $20 - $30). I'm not saying it's right or wrong - I just know that I feel right doing it.

Totalia - Sometimes it's not easy to just go and get a better paying job. All I know is that there doing a job I would not want to do. It just amazes me the people that have posted that have so little at home with so little money that can still squeeze out a trip to Disney (never cheap) yet can't even afford a couple bucks a day for the person who has to clean up up after them - no matter how clean the rooms are left.

 

[disneyjunkie]

It just amazes me the people that have posted that have so little at home with so little money that can still squeeze out a trip to Disney (never cheap) yet can't even afford a couple bucks a day for the person who has to clean up up after them - no matter how clean the rooms are left.

That also amazes me.

To me tipping Mousekeeping is no different than parents giving teacher’s gifts or money. It's just a way of saying thank you for the hard work you do. I get gifts from my parents at Christmas, Valentine's Day and at the end of the year.

I have tips listed as a line item on my trip budget. I can't see how a measly $18.00 for mousekeeping will make a major impact in my ability to take or enjoy my trip.

 

[disneychrista]

To me tipping Mousekeeping is no different than parents giving teacher’s gifts or money.

I agree completely. They are BOTH voluntary. Not expected or required.

 

[Ever_After]

Rah Kevenswife2! Way to stick it to the man!

Ali

Why would you say that to the original OP just b/c they didn't tip? If tipping is optional and it is okay to tip or not to tip (which I agree with although I tip) why would you say something like that? to me it sounds spiteful and that is what encouraging this souriness.

 

[Hippychickali]

Why would you say that to the original OP just b/c they didn't tip? If tipping is optional and it is okay to tip or not to tip (which I agree with although I tip) why would you say something like that? to me it sounds spiteful and that is what encouraging this souriness.

You've got to be kidding me. "Stick it to the man!" is encouraging souriness? Explain how this offended you because it was intended to be light and fluffy.

Ali

 

[Jay Since 72]

Tipping is, in fact optional. So is saying "Please", "Thank You", and "Your Welcome". Some positions (and I'm not trying to start a "this one is/is not/is too" argument) rely on tips. It is a tacit expectation that a person who has one of these positions will make a large portion (sometimes the majority) of their income by the tips they receive.

Someone correctly pointed out that tip cups are appearing in the darndest places these days, but we all know where it's appropriate and where it isn't. Also, I've known bartenders and waitresses who used to say "if you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to go out". Whether you agree with that or not, if you go out for drinks and dinner and don't tip (assuming the service wasn't bad, of course), you can rest assured that the service WILL be bad the next time you go to that bar or restaurant.

 

[totalia]

It's not my problem if someone relies on tips. If thats the case, then don't do the job. Don't expect me to supplement your income because you've chosen to stay in a job that's going to treat you so poorly.

 

[Digger In FLA]

if you've got the extra money and want to do it, do it. if it's between that or a special gift for yourself, get the gift. if it's budgeted, go ahead. I've never tipped at any resort except for valet, and sometimes I wonder why I do that when I pay extra for the service. if you can spare it and it makes you feel good, go ahead. if not, don't worry about it. If people go over and above for me, I'll slide something their way. I've worked for tips in the past, and worked hard to earn them, so I pay it forward. if you perform your average job, I'm not going to notice, and carry on.

 

[totalia]

if you've got the extra money and want to do it, do it. if it's between that or a special gift for yourself, get the gift. if it's budgeted, go ahead. I've never tipped at any resort except for valet, and sometimes I wonder why I do that when I pay extra for the service. if you can spare it and it makes you feel good, go ahead. if not, don't worry about it. If people go over and above for me, I'll slide something their way. I've worked for tips in the past, and worked hard to earn them, so I pay it forward. if you perform your average job, I'm not going to notice, and carry on.

Exactly.

 

[ChisJo]

It's not my problem if someone relies on tips. If thats the case, then don't do the job. Don't expect me to supplement your income because you've chosen to stay in a job that's going to treat you so poorly.

Have you ever gone to college or University? Is so, did you work, or did someone pay for your education? Were you lucky enough to have extra money for the time you were in school? If not, and you had to work like me, working in a place, like a restaurant, where the pay is low and you depend on tips to pay your bills, and perhaps school education, where the hours are more flexible and you are able to work when you can around your exams and other school related stuff, is one of the only options. Don't assume that we want to, but maybe it is more of not having any other choice. And by the way, getting a job in a better paying position is not that easy sometimes, which is why we perhaps have umemployment...and if someone didn't work there, you wouldn't be able to go out to eat.
I haven't chosen to stay in that profession, and am lucky enough to be getting an education so that I can get out, but not everybody is lucky enough to be able to get into college or get a better job.
I know that the original thread was about mousekeeping tipping, but this thread has gone far beyond that.
I say though, that if you cannot afford to tip when you go out, get take out. Most restaurants offer it, and that way, you don't have to tip. Then you are not offending someone, thinking that they did something wrong.

 

[Digger In FLA]

servers in restaurants are paid below below minimum wage to account for tips and are taxed on a percentage of their sales. that's why I tip 20 % in restaurants. they're paying the price if someone else 'stiffs' them at another table. tourists coming to this area are horrible at taking care the service end in restaurants.