Am I being snobby?

[bookbabe626]

Parks can have all the policies they want. If they don't enforce them, they're worthless...

 

[BridetobeDisney]

Parks can have all the policies they want. If they don't enforce them, they're worthless...

Exactly!

 

[FSUDisneyGirl]

I just went on Saturday, and I didn't notice anything different from my other visits. However, it was gross and really hot...I think maybe people are a little more grumpy when sweating and sunburnt!

 

[noodleknitter]

I find it amazing that people can be so rude here, and then complain about the rudeness there.

You see what you look for in life.

 

[miprender]

What in the world are you talking about? Last time I checked, my country of Canada was part of North America along with your country (not including Mexico as I haven't been there). I didn't exclusively mention Americans at all, in fact, I mentioned my own community. Our 2 countries are extremely selfish and "me" centred, that shouldn't be news to anyone!

I'm confused, Tiger

Well I apologize that I miss understood. See I guess the heat was getting to me too....... Sorry!!

 

[waltskids]

Parks can have all the policies they want. If they don't enforce them, they're worthless...

Well said

 

[Grendalynn]

Now I have not read all of the PP's ((I am supposed to be doing laundry, but am too obsessed with The Dis to do so)) and am not sure whatothers have written....

Unfortunatly The USA as a whole seems to be getting rude-er and rude-er as time goes by.... There is little courtesy of others, lack of politeness and respect, and very little patience - and thats from both the kids and adults.

I work in the local school sytem and have worked there during all 3 of my pregnancies... Right uo until the time of delivery. Between the time DS9 was in utero to the time DS1 was in the baby carrier in was in and out and out of the elmentary and high schools, the manners of the high school kids failed miserably year to year. There was no courtesy of holding doors open, or pausing in the halls while waddled by or I lugged the baby carrier to the office. Nor would any of the kids offer to carry a diaper bag or whatever else it was that I was carrying to my room or car. Pregnant or with a baby or not, they still fail to be courteous or polite and are rude and feel entitled. Very few "please and Thank you'" are heard anymore. Unfortunatly children are products of their parents and the adults seem to be failing in this department as well. Not all children are like this - there are many that have the qualities instilled in them to be respectful human beings. These kids now stand out as being the "minority" when years a go it used to be the rude kids that did so.

We saw 2 families having a skermish/altercation on Min Street while at WDW this spring. They were fighting over a spot to watch the parade at the MK... a push turned into a shove and security was called. Mean while the wives and children were there watching like it was no big deal. My kids would have been freaked out, I would have been mortified and it just would never have happened. point blank.

We do our best to rise above the rudeness and lack of respect nowadays. I am no better than anyone else, but am responcipal for my kis and to teach my children right from wrong and to treat others as they would like to be treated. The Golden Rule is very big in our house - not so much from a bblical standpoint, but as a human. Its now a dinosaur. Especially wen it comes to DISNEY - I am not going to let another family ruin our family vacation - or anythng else forthat matter. Its easy to get sucked in, but we do our best not to. Words to live by: Accentuate the positive, avoid the negative. There is nothing worse than negativity.... its can suck you in and eat you alive.

From Wikipedia: Ethic of reciprocity

The Parable of the Good Samaritan; The ethic of reciprocity or the Golden Rule is a fundamental moral value which simply means "treat others as you would like to be treated." It is arguably the most essential basis for the modern concept of human rights, though it is not without its critics.

Ethical teaching interprets the Golden Rule as mutual respect for one's neighbour (rather than as a deontological or consequentialist rule). A key element of the golden rule is that a person attempting to live by this rule treats all people, not just members of his or her in-group with consideration. The golden rule, with roots in a wide range of world cultures, is well suited to be a standard to which different cultures could appeal in resolving conflicts. Principal philosophers and religious figures have stated it in different ways.

 

[Disneygirl26]

To the OP since you asked yes you are being a snob
To look down on a certain group of people is being snobbish. I think a lot of people on this thread were being a little snobbish. I personally have a high tolerance for rudeness, I'm a social worker so I get it everyday, but it amazes me how shocked people are when they encounter rude people or people who don't fit their standards. So what a person isn’t dress the way you think they should or they aren’t using the language you deemed appointee, let face it everyone isn’t going to share the same morals, so what are you going to do complain about or take note teach your kids that’s not we do things and move on, I would never let how people act determine how well my vacation was, unless someone was cursing at me directly. Me and my family go to six flags all the time during the summer and I just don't understand the negative statement about people acting sixflaggish, I act the same rather its six flags or DW, and I have the attitude unless its directed at me than I don't have a problem with it, I go to amusement parks to have fun and that’s the mindset I have, so if I see a gang member, or dirty people or a delinquent as long as they're minding their business I don't see the problem, I mean this is America like it or not gang members, rude people and dirty people have the same rights as everyone else. I really would like to know where people come from that you never encountered a rude person, cursing, or people wearing inappropriate clothing or is it you think these people shouldn't exist in Disney world. Because Disney doesn’t screen their guest just like six flags doesn’t and If Disney were so great a enforcing their own rules wouldn’t the rude people get tossed so you would hardly ever encounter this?

I hate to burst bubbles but Disney World is not all Sunshine and lollipops.

 

[Tiger926]

To the OP since you asked yes you are being a snob
To look down on a certain group of people is being snobbish. I think a lot of people on this thread were being a little snobbish. I personally have a high tolerance for rudeness, I'm a social worker so I get it everyday, but it amazes me how shocked people are when they encounter rude people or people who don't fit their standards. So what a person isn’t dress the way you think they should or they aren’t using the language you deemed appointee, let face it everyone isn’t going to share the same morals, so what are you going to do complain about or take note teach your kids that’s not we do things and move on, I would never let how people act determine how well my vacation was, unless someone was cursing at me directly. Me and my family go to six flags all the time during the summer and I just don't understand the negative statement about people acting sixflaggish, I act the same rather its six flags or DW, and I have the attitude unless its directed at me than I don't have a problem with it, I go to amusement parks to have fun and that’s the mindset I have, so if I see a gang member, or dirty people or a delinquent as long as they're minding their business I don't see the problem, I mean this is America like it or not gang members, rude people and dirty people have the same rights as everyone else. I really would like to know where people come from that you never encountered a rude person, cursing, or people wearing inappropriate clothing or is it you think these people shouldn't exist in Disney world. Because Disney doesn’t screen their guest just like six flags doesn’t and If Disney were so great a enforcing their own rules wouldn’t the rude people get tossed so you would hardly ever encounter this?

I hate to burst bubbles but Disney World is not all Sunshine and lollipops.

miprender - No worries!

Exactly - the fact that the OP doesn't think rude people visit WDW is the snobby part. I have never been to Six Flags, but she mentioned it as point of comparison to WDW - why not reference Sea World, or Universal Studios, or, better yet, nothing at all? That is why we have said it was discriminatory - she made that reference as point of comparison for a reason, as apparently, there is a certain class of people who are known for frequenting Six Flags. Thus her point was made!

Now that there are rude people there as well, she is going to go elsewhere, which is her prerogative, but I'm betting she is going to find rude people wherever she goes. And for those people referencing the rich playground of The Hamptons as not having rude people, I hate to burst your bubble, but I just read of a murder case in the Hamptons yesterday, and as we all know, Martha Stewart, the queen of rudenes, as far as I'm concerned (I can't believe how she talks down to some of her guests), lives there.

This thread could go on forever as many people are missing the point. It's not snobby to have high personal standards, or high morals/ethics, it is snobby to assume that everyone else will as well, or, to assume that certain places based on the demographic who frequent it will or will not share in those standards. It's also discriminatory to assume that teens with pants hanging down are troublemakers - yikes! I teach at-risk teens and have taught several murderers. Guess what? Two of them dressed very conservatively and 'preppy looking' yet they committed murder anyway. Just like I've seen women with 8 carat diamond rings on their hands in WDW acting so rude and self entitled, it made me cringe. Dress, colour, etc. has nothing to do with it as so many others have pointed out and although the OP didn't directly reference these, she did once she placed a driect comparison of WDW to Six Flags. No comparison was necessary, as all she had to say was that she noticed WDW was a bit rough around the edges and that the guests there were behaving rudely, end of story. As someone mentioned, policies only work if enforced as you will find the same rude people in both places. In fact, we have seen rudeness @ WDW that we have not seen elsewhere, whether it's due to heat, high prices or ignorant people, it is, what is is, so to assume you won't see any rudeness like the OP and others see at Six Flags is not only unrealistic, but highly snobbish as well.

This thread would only have been a few responses short if the OP had not mentioned Six Flags. Once you start comparing and contrasting to another place that you believe has lower standards, you have done so for a reason, and thus, you can be classified as being snobby, IMHO.

Tiger

 

[maine girl]

When I see people acting very angry at other guest and cast members, it makes me take a step back and be thankful for being on a wonderful vacation with my family. Why would people spend so much money on a vacation and be so angry and upset all the time. I know it gets hot in florida, but people need to soak up the beautiful surroundings and just have fun. All I can say, I have seen some cast members take alot of #### and just keep there cool and take it in stride. I always cooment to them how impressed I was with them.

 

[crisi]

Snobby is good. We've gotten way too accepting of people's "differences" - and we CERTAINLY SHOULD be accepting of people's differences when it comes to race, religion, sexual preference, ability, gender, etc. But we've gone too far, where we are now willing to accept that being rude, being in public in dirty, torn, untidy clothes with an ungroomed appearance. Being loud, obnoxious, or talking trash. And just being selfish. Used to be we used to call these people "trash" and no one wanted to be trash. Now, calling someone trash has become worse than being trash.

Snob, and proud of it.

 

[PastorsWife]

I have different expectations depending on where I go.

If I'm in Chicago, I expect to pay $3-400 for season passes for my family at 6 flags. I expect to be able to stay in a budget hotel for about $75, and I expect to picnic out of my car or eat at the buffet which I think is about $15. I watch my children carefully and am careful to make sure the door is locked and hubby is careful with his wallet. We close our ears because there is a lot of cussing. The staff is not particularly helpful, but the coasters are great.

If I'm in Williamsburg, I expect to pay more for Busch Gardens, a suite with kitchenette, and groceries to make my own dinners. I expect to see a lot of furloughed military and east-coast-ers. It seems to be a nicer place than 6 flags. The staff is fairly helpful, the park is clean and beautiful, but there are fewer coasters and more interesting things to do than at a "thrill park".

At our upcoming trip to DW, we are doing DDP and are staying at a moderate resort. For SIX nights. We are thrilled, and I'm proud of myself that I'm not being "CHEAP" about this trip (for the first time in my life). I expect people to act in a disney-appropriate way. I expect people to dress modestly and be polite to each other.



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[Grendalynn]

I hate to burst bubbles but Disney World is not all Sunshine and lollipops.

Some of us would like it to be - Its known as "The Happiest Place On Earth".... It would be nice to see folks let their stresses go, relax, appreciate their kids and families, give alittle and take alittle. I go their to escape the duldrums of every day life - its a chance to be a kid again, with my own kids.

Snobby is good. We've gotten way too accepting of people's "differences" - and we CERTAINLY SHOULD be accepting of people's differences when it comes to race, religion, sexual preference, ability, gender, etc. But we've gone too far, where we are now willing to accept that being rude, being in public in dirty, torn, untidy clothes with an ungroomed appearance. Being loud, obnoxious, or talking trash. And just being selfish. Used to be we used to call these people "trash" and no one wanted to be trash. Now, calling someone trash has become worse than being trash.

Snob, and proud of it.

I agree = a little. I am not sure if its being called a snob per-say. I too have expectations for myself, Dh and my boys. Whats good for one family may not be good for us or how I would like my things to be. I expect my kids to be courteous, polite, clean and well kept, peak nicely and properly, yet be kids, learn frm and make mistakes, get soap in thir mouthes and learn the value of a dollar. Not sure tis is being snobby, I justhave high expectations...

When I see people acting very angry at other guest and cast members, it makes me take a step back and be thankful for being on a wonderful vacation with my family. Why would people spend so much money on a vacation and be so angry and upset all the time. I know it gets hot in florida, but people need to soak up the beautiful surroundings and just have fun.

ITA!!! We use it as a teaching moment. We work hard and save and save to afford a nice Disney Vacation. i wont et crabby people ruin it for us. I would never (hopefully) act like that and would hope my children wouldnt either. Live in the moment - the trips go by so fast!!

I could care less where others are staying, what they are paying a night, how much they make in a year or wht log is on their sunglasses. The same goes for if we ar at Six Flags, Storyland or a water park. Respect and manners are priceless.


What was the question again??? I think we are getting away from the real point of this story...

FYI: snob (snb)
n.
1. One who tends to patronize, rebuff, or ignore people regarded as social inferiors and imitate, admire, or seek association with people regarded as social superiors.
2. One who affects an offensive air of self-satisfied superiority in matters of taste or intellect.

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[Earlier snob, cobbler, lower-class person, person who aspires to social prominence.]

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snobby adj.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2003. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.


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snob
Noun
1. a person who tries to associate with those of higher social status and who hates those of a lower social status
2. a person who feels smugly superior with regard to his or her tastes or interests: a cultural snob [origin unknown]

 

[OnourwaytoWDW]

When we go to WDW, I feel like it's an upper class of a vacation, for us. The cost of it is more than say Cedar Point, so I do have a bit more of an higher expectation. But then I don't think it's all about me either. It's about having fun and fun with people around you. They are there for a good time too!

Now, when we go to Cedar Point, (haven't been in 8 years) I feel that I will see more skin and hear things that I wouldn't expect to see or hear at WDW. Things are a bit more worn and dirty, and I have a habit of comparing everything to WDW! DH does too!
The girls wear their bikini tops around on the rides and what not and looking "trashy". Some were real doozy's!

Is it a different class of people or just a different environment?

 

[chillcoupons]

I am a snob who doesn't smoke, drink, or Gamble but loves to act like a kid. That said I don't enjoy most adult targeted entertainment. I love amusement parks and having fun with the people there. I always enjoy engaging other people in line and hearing about their adventures. I have been to a lot of different parks most recently Cedar Point. I enjoyed the roller coasters at Cedar Point and there is nothing at Disney that can compare. However I am deeply offended by about 1/3 of the park goers at Cedar Point. Gangs of kids cutting lines (Anywhere from 10 to 20 teenagers with no manners. There are always too many to stop them and the park does nothing about it.), foul language, inappropriate clothing, a poor grasp of the english language and of course there are smokers and drunks.

I am not rich and I struggle to keep my family on track financially but I would gladly pay double the current Disney ticket prices to keep out the riffraff. Money doesn't equal good behavior and lack of it doesn't equal poor behavior but there is usually a noticeable stereotypical behavioral difference. To be fair kids will be kids it is the parents reaction and behavior toward and in front of the kids that bothers me. I know a lot of you are thinking I am a jerk but that is how I feel. I am all for people bettering themselves and I always want to believe the best of people and I see I am just as flawed for this type of thinking as the people I am criticizing. When I am having family time I want to feel comfortable and I don't want my family exposed to less than desirable characters.

 

[KelleyD]

OK. SO here is my take with a few stories...

I was at Harrahs in A.C. Waiting on line to check-in. I will admit I am a personal space freak! I cannot stand when people feel the need to be so close they are rubbing you or breathing the same air as you. There is no need for it!

Anyway, older couple in front of me. One woman in front of them and another couple in front of her. The one woman carries on this conversation with the older couple in a very loud manner. I guess you could call her animated. Apparently she hit into the woman in front of her a few times in her animated speech.

This woman informed her she had bumped into her 6 times. How do I know it was 6 times? Because animated lady shouted it at least 3 times and then "went off". Ahh you are in my space, move over, i hit you six times so what and on and on and on. Very loudly. Then preceded to tell the girl maybe it was because her hip was sticking out and as it turns out maybe she is in her space...

Then the woman proceeds to turn to the older couple and replay the entire story - "she said i hit her 6 times and can you believe it" "and i said.....blah blah blah"
Yes lady we know. The entire lobby heard the conversation and have no need for you to repeat it again.

In my opinion this is loud and trashy behavior. Say you are sorry for hitting her or ignore her. Why the need for the 15 minute tantrum????

Six flags NJ - I dont mind taking my baby because the kids areas are fairly tame...but in the restroom with my 2 step daughters, trying to get my 16 month old cleaned up after an ice pop incident and we hear, coming from the bathroom stall a woman yelling at her daughter - princess - non stop. Dont touch that - i said dont do that...very nasty and cursing...my sd kept looking at me saying oh my gosh...did you hear that. I was just trying to ignore the whole situation. Then they came out and Princess was at it again...getting yelled at and screamed at - curse words flying.

What do you say to your kids about that. Hey some people are like that - its "trashy" behavior - of which I dont ever expect from you.

We all expect different things from ourselves and our kids.

I probably had a bad moment...Down pour at six flags - so my husband, 2 SD, and son were on a bench hanging out waiting for the rain to stop. Well I must have been spacing - you know that 5 minutes where someone doesn't want anything from you...and I see the woman on the bench in front of my family get up and look in disgust at my family. So then I notice that the kids and baby are stomping in puddles on the floor - most likely causing it to splash on her.

I was mortified - told them to stop right away. But I will be honest - I was totally spacing...and not paying attention at all. And well, my husband wouldn't have noticed a darn thing - I think thats just a guy thing...

But the look we got, I am sure she is telling her friends about the trashy family at six flags and how she will never go back!

So what does all this mean???? We all have different limits and what we think of as loud or trashy or annoying or whatever. But one thing I do know is if something is bothering you - people are bumoing you, splashing you with water, cutting you in line, just mention it nicely - don't get the attutude right away...maybe they were just spacing and had no idea they were causing you this problem.

 

[AlleyKat]

Snobby is good. We've gotten way too accepting of people's "differences" - and we CERTAINLY SHOULD be accepting of people's differences when it comes to race, religion, sexual preference, ability, gender, etc. But we've gone too far, where we are now willing to accept that being rude, being in public in dirty, torn, untidy clothes with an ungroomed appearance. Being loud, obnoxious, or talking trash. And just being selfish. Used to be we used to call these people "trash" and no one wanted to be trash. Now, calling someone trash has become worse than being trash.

Snob, and proud of it.

TOUCHE'!