Alligator dragged 2 year old into 7 seas lagoon

[luvsJack]

All of this word technicalities is making my head spin. So Disney puts up signs that say 'no swimming, no wading'. Does that mean you think it is OK to jump in the water because the sign did not say 'no jumping'?

No because jumping in would usually require swimming to get out. Wading does not.

 

[pocomom]

All of this word technicalities is making my head spin. So Disney puts up signs that say 'no swimming, no wading'. Does that mean you think it is OK to jump in the water because the sign did not say 'no jumping'?

Nope, no wading or "stay out of the water" makes it clear.

 

[kellyjeanie]

Swimming/Wading, we're dealing with people from all over the US, and from all over the world.
We don't have the same notion for the same word.

for many, as for myself, no swimming means "don't go in the water" period.
others make a fuss about discriminating between wading, swimming, jumpings, diving and I'm sure some here could come up with a chart giving a technobabble definition for each water level a body is in, inch by inch.
that's our 'legal' heritage. 'Well, I was not technically/legally swimming, I was merely randomly floating around'

I think we need to go back to common sense. An sign displaying some interdiction means that there is a reason behind it, and most of the time it's danger.

I don't want my kid to go near danger.

I don't care about knowing how many toes it's allowed to put in the water before it's officially considered wading or swimming by the dictionnary (or wikipedia , or an unattainable consensus on an Iternet forum, even if it's called the DIS)
what I do care about is that, if it's deemed unsafe to swim these waters, I don't want my kid in it, be it for his pinky toe.


Now if I may, I'd just like to share my thoughts on those who post pictures of their kids playing in that water, on the same beach. Some saying that they were there just hours before the tragedy, and concluding that it's proof there was no issue with Lane's parents doing the same

I'm quite disturbed by this attitude
Do those parents realise that it could have been their own child ?
Do they realise that if they can 'show off' on Facebook today, it's because they got away with doing something they were not supposed to do ?
In my opinion it's just a way of showing off how smart they are and how rules don't apply to them.

sorry it had to come out.

It's called empathy. They're posting pictures as a way of empathizing. I don't understand and why anyone would want to kick these parents while they're down by pointing out sign technicalities.

Does anyone here seriously believe the parents (or the child) got what they deserved because they didn't follow an ambiguous sign the way you think it was meant?

 

[luvsJack]

Double post

 

[maxiesmom]

Does anyone here seriously believe the parents (or the child) got what they deserved because they didn't follow an ambiguous sign the way you think it was meant?

Good Lord I hope not. I think what we are trying to say is that to some of us, the sign wasn't ambiguous. In certain parts of the country No Swimming means you don't get in the water at all. It never even dawned on me before this that others didn't read it the same way.

 

[Hikergirl]

Nope, no wading or "stay out of the water" makes it clear.

Not really because a child could go run up to the water, run in and fill a bucket and run back to the beach. That isn't wading by definition and yet they are still going into the water.

If you want people to stay out of the water the only sign that makes it clear is STAY OUT OF THE WATER.

 

[sam_gordon]

Good Lord I hope not. I think what we are trying to say is that to some of us, the sign wasn't ambiguous. In certain parts of the country No Swimming means you don't get in the water at all. It never even dawned on me before this that others didn't read it the same way.

I totally get that "no swimming" means "don't go in the water" to some people. The insults to those of us who see wading and swimming as two different things is over the top. NOTE: I'm not saying you've done it, but you know what I'm talking about.

 

[kidshop]

All of this word technicalities is making my head spin. So Disney puts up signs that say 'no swimming, no wading'. Does that mean you think it is OK to jump in the water because the sign did not say 'no jumping'?

Argumentative.

Jumping uses your feet right? Jumping includes wading, so no. I think 'Do Not Enter Water' is pretty clear for everyone. What is wrong with being clear?


Alligator attacks on humans are so rare, they almost never happen! Disney didn't didn't fully realize the risk, all the parents who allowed kids to wade in that water for the past 45 years did not fully realize the risk of something so rare. Who is thinking about that while on vacation at a very expensive resort, at a night activity run by the resort?! When is the last time someone was killed by an alligator? I will give you the water is disgusting and Disney should make sure no one is in it. They did not, and parents simply didn't know the danger present.

Add me to the list, 'no swimming' does not mean do not enter the water. I am not special in any way and I am a strict rule follower.
This is a valid difference of opinion. 'No running' is not taken to mean 'no walking', it is the same idea.

 

[Kimberlyann11]

I totally get that "no swimming" means "don't go in the water" to some people. The insults to those of us who see wading and swimming as two different things is over the top. NOTE: I'm not saying you've done it, but you know what I'm talking about.

And that goes both ways. I interpret "no swimming" as stay out of the water and I have much more than a third grade vocabulary. I also say that I understand now how it could be interpreted differently.


I'm not saying you've done it - but you know what I'm talking about.

 

[kellyjeanie]

Good Lord I hope not. I think what we are trying to say is that to some of us, the sign wasn't ambiguous. In certain parts of the country No Swimming means you don't get in the water at all. It never even dawned on me before this that others didn't read it the same way.

So what? Is that how you comfort people? Well I'm sorry this happened, but you really should have followed the rules? Or is it just a way of assuring yourself this would never happen to you?

 

[pocomom]

Not really because a child could go run up to the water, run in and fill a bucket and run back to the beach. That isn't wading by definition and yet they are still going into the water.

If you want people to stay out of the water the only sign that makes it clear is STAY OUT OF THE WATER.

I agree signs should say stay out of the water . But I was responding to the ridiculous post saying then that people might Jump in since it is neither wading or swimming.

 

[maxiesmom]

So what? Is that how you comfort people? Well I'm sorry this happened, but you really should have followed the rules? Or is it just a way of assuring yourself this would never happen to you?

What??? How is that even close to what I said? Are you reading posts, or looking for ways to argue? I thought we were discussing how people from different areas read the signs differently.

 

[TheIncredibles!]

I do not blame Disney at all. I also do not blame the parents at all. This was just a freak thing like being struck by lightning IMO. The possibility was there but the probability wasn't high.

As a parent that has frequented Disney often I would say that a No Swimming sign has absolutely told me in the past that my kids are not to be in the water at all. I also have known that Alligators are in those waters and that was enough for me. That still does not make me blame the parents.

As parents we all do stupid things at times that have resulted somehow in our children being negatively affected. I have let my kids have second bowls of ice cream then had to deal with them being ill. I had to deal with a badly scraped knee and leg because DH was teaching DD how to ride a bike, he let go before she was ready and did not have any extra protection on knowing she probably was going to fall. I could go on and on about all the choices I made that did not end up well. Those are minor things I know but at any given moment something minor has the potential to turn into a freak accident. It just takes a moment of us giving in because we want to make them happy even if we have a slight niggling doubt telling us we shouldn't allow it. Just like it could only take one second of turning your head because somebody called your name and tragedy can occur.

Those parents were normal human beings. Now they'll never be normal again. They may blame Disney or they may not but I can assure you they are definitely blaming themselves. They are probably even blaming each other. People and marriages are decimated over things like this. There's no way to move on and heal over something like this. That's more than these people need to bear, they certainly don't need other people rubbing salt into their wound.

I am glad Disney is taking extra precautions. I am hoping they can find a way to reinforce to the idiots that feed the alligators that what they are doing is so wrong for so many reasons. I'd love to see security cameras put in all areas where this can occur and have them prosecute when they find these idiots breaking the law and putting people in danger. I hope every single person that has visited Disney and has fed those Alligators is blaming themselves for their small part in this tragedy. Those are the people that deserve the blame.

 

[Hikergirl]

So what? Is that how you comfort people? Well I'm sorry this happened, but you really should have followed the rules? Or is it just a way of assuring yourself this would never happen to you?

I can't speak for that poster, but since I am here reading this thread too I will say that I think you are misunderstanding what she is saying.

 

[Hikergirl]

I agree signs should say stay out of the water . But I was responding to the ridiculous post saying then that people might Jump in since it is neither wading or swimming.

Oh, gotcha.

 

[kellyjeanie]

I can't speak for that poster, but since I am here reading this thread too I will say that I think you are misunderstanding what she is saying.

It's possible and if that's the case I'm sorry, but I didn't mean her specifically-I'm talking about everyone who has armchair quarterbacked this situation, as if they would have done something differently. I'm obviously overly invested here and it's past time I stepped away.

 

[maxiesmom]

It's possible and if that's the case I'm sorry, but I didn't mean her specifically-I'm talking about everyone who has armchair quarterbacked this situation, as if they would have done something differently. I'm obviously overly invested here and it's past time I stepped away.

Ok, thanks for that. I said I hope people were not thinking the parents got what they deserved, because even if they did ignore the sign no one deserves to see their child snatched away like that. I can't even begin to imagine the horror.

 

[PollyannaMom]

I'm not sure why this is even an argument here, or all the other places online.
NO SWIMMING is clearly interpreted differently by different people, depending on where you grew up, what you were taught, or whatever.
Nobody is right, nobody is wrong, or an idiot or a special snowflake because they thought differently from someone else.

Amen!!! I really think we need to stop arguing this particular point. We've realized that everybody interprets this sort of sign in their own way based on why the sign would be posted in their area, and nobody is going to change anybody's mind at this point, or change what happened. Can we just channel Anna and Elsa and Let it Go?

 

[PollyannaMom]

I do not blame Disney at all. I also do not blame the parents at all. This was just a freak thing like being struck by lightning IMO. The possibility was there but the probability wasn't high.

As a parent that has frequented Disney often I would say that a No Swimming sign has absolutely told me in the past that my kids are not to be in the water at all. I also have known that Alligators are in those waters and that was enough for me. That still does not make me blame the parents.

As parents we all do stupid things at times that have resulted somehow in our children being negatively affected. I have let my kids have second bowls of ice cream then had to deal with them being ill. I had to deal with a badly scraped knee and leg because DH was teaching DD how to ride a bike, he let go before she was ready and did not have any extra protection on knowing she probably was going to fall. I could go on and on about all the choices I made that did not end up well. Those are minor things I know but at any given moment something minor has the potential to turn into a freak accident. It just takes a moment of us giving in because we want to make them happy even if we have a slight niggling doubt telling us we shouldn't allow it. Just like it could only take one second of turning your head because somebody called your name and tragedy can occur.

Those parents were normal human beings. Now they'll never be normal again. They may blame Disney or they may not but I can assure you they are definitely blaming themselves. They are probably even blaming each other. People and marriages are decimated over things like this. There's no way to move on and heal over something like this. That's more than these people need to bear, they certainly don't need other people rubbing salt into their wound.

I am glad Disney is taking extra precautions. I am hoping they can find a way to reinforce to the idiots that feed the alligators that what they are doing is so wrong for so many reasons. I'd love to see security cameras put in all areas where this can occur and have them prosecute when they find these idiots breaking the law and putting people in danger. I hope every single person that has visited Disney and has fed those Alligators is blaming themselves for their small part in this tragedy. Those are the people that deserve the blame.

I agree with everything but the last two sentences. I definitely want measures taken to stop the feeding of alligators, but just like I don't want the parents to blame themselves, I don't want random people to blame themselves either. I don't think anybody would have expected this to happen.

 

[FINFAN]

I do not blame Disney at all. I also do not blame the parents at all. This was just a freak thing like being struck by lightning IMO. The possibility was there but the probability wasn't high.

As a parent that has frequented Disney often I would say that a No Swimming sign has absolutely told me in the past that my kids are not to be in the water at all. I also have known that Alligators are in those waters and that was enough for me. That still does not make me blame the parents.

As parents we all do stupid things at times that have resulted somehow in our children being negatively affected. I have let my kids have second bowls of ice cream then had to deal with them being ill. I had to deal with a badly scraped knee and leg because DH was teaching DD how to ride a bike, he let go before she was ready and did not have any extra protection on knowing she probably was going to fall. I could go on and on about all the choices I made that did not end up well. Those are minor things I know but at any given moment something minor has the potential to turn into a freak accident. It just takes a moment of us giving in because we want to make them happy even if we have a slight niggling doubt telling us we shouldn't allow it. Just like it could only take one second of turning your head because somebody called your name and tragedy can occur.

Those parents were normal human beings. Now they'll never be normal again. They may blame Disney or they may not but I can assure you they are definitely blaming themselves. They are probably even blaming each other. People and marriages are decimated over things like this. There's no way to move on and heal over something like this. That's more than these people need to bear, they certainly don't need other people rubbing salt into their wound.

I am glad Disney is taking extra precautions. I am hoping they can find a way to reinforce to the idiots that feed the alligators that what they are doing is so wrong for so many reasons. I'd love to see security cameras put in all areas where this can occur and have them prosecute when they find these idiots breaking the law and putting people in danger. I hope every single person that has visited Disney and has fed those Alligators is blaming themselves for their small part in this tragedy. Those are the people that deserve the blame.

perhaps the action of life time banning from the resorts and parks will help folks "remember" not to feed the wildlife. My family is guilty of having fed the squirrels in MK back in 2001. We were sitting munching on snacks, some peanuts fell to the ground, the squirrel nabbed them right away and then we started tossing some to him. What was a great family memory now reminds me how wrong we were.