All FP machines to be removed from Animal Kingdom by next week and....

So can we confirm yet that no one was able to double dip at AK today? Such as the guests who were onsite (with advanced bookings) as well as AP holders with KTTW cards?

I haven't seen anything like this mentioned but I haven't looked very hard yet either.
 
So can we confirm yet that no one was able to double dip at AK today? Such as the guests who were onsite (with advanced bookings) as well as AP holders with KTTW cards?

I haven't seen anything like this mentioned but I haven't looked very hard yet either.

Double-dipping required the ability to access legacy FP. So, I'm thinking no.
 
Me too! If this test is still going on it's going to be real interesting. I keep hoping for the best but I also keep telling everyone in our group to "buckle your seat belts cause we could be in for a bumpy ride." ;)

All about Eve!
 

Double-dipping required some access to legacy FP to work at all. Sooooo.....

Got it. I just assumed that in the spirit of "trying everything" that someone must have tried booking at a kiosk with their KTTW card. LOL I was wondering if anyone tried to park hop as well. Come on surely one person tried it. :-)
 
If Disney likes money like I think they do then there is no way they can alienate 50% of their population. :)

But if they don't give a serious perk to the people who stay onsite don't they risk alienating the ones who are giving them more money?
 
Here are my recommendations for a successful WDW vacation once FP- is gone:

Vacation at a slow time of year like September and first part of November. Be very selective about the time you vacation.

Pull kids out of school to get the most bang for your buck.

Stay on site so you have access to FP+ 60 days in advance, especially if you must travel during holidays and summer.

Stay for 7 days minimum. Plan on going to MK for 3 days, EP 2 days, DHS, 2 days, and AK 1 day. Due to the limit on the number of FP+ one can get, extended vacations will allow you to use FP+ on all the main attractions.

Don't worry about park hopping unless you're interested in seeing the lesser known attractions.

Do not change your schedule the day of unless you are OK with losing your headlining FP+ appointments.

At non busy times you will want to be at the parks at least a half hour before opening..at busy times get there an hour or two ahead. This way you can see the most attractions in a day, and perhaps even ride the headliners more than once. This will become more vital as FP+ becomes more established.

It's still ok to leave for an afternoon break, just make sure you get back in time for your FP+ appointments if you planned them for the afternoon.

Be prepared for huge lines to get into FP lines. That means bring ponchos.

Work with your kids on proper magic band placement to help keep the FP+ line moving.

Schedule your FP+ rides in the afternoons or evenings when the park is most crowded. You are better off using your FP+ selections at that time instead of waiting in huge lines for all non FP+ attractions.

If it's ever offered go ahead and purchase the unlimited FP no matter how much it costs.

I think this will turn out to be pretty spot on :(
 
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Even at WDW, if the estimates are right, 50% of guests are off-site. I don't think they are going to alienate half to squeeze an extra 10% of revenue from the other 50%...

Alienate them and a lot of hotels/businesses in Orlando.

But you can see how they might want to lock off-site into FP+ in some way: a different ticket type with "good for" dates, cancellation fees, etc. They'd have a tough time planning anything it they weren't absolutely sure when they were coming.
 
But if they don't give a serious perk to the people who stay onsite don't they risk alienating the ones who are giving them more money?
They already do that and can continue to give them the EMH perk. That way onsite guests can get up early or stay late in order to hit the headliners they couldn't secure with their 3 allowable FP+ selections.
 
Alienate them and a lot of hotels/businesses in Orlando.

But you can see how they might want to lock off-site into FP+ in some way: a different ticket type with "good for" dates, cancellation fees, etc. They'd have a tough time planning anything it they weren't absolutely sure when they were coming.

I dont think Disney cares about the financial health of the offsite hotels in Orlando. Now alienating offsite customers too much, I agree they will have to walk a fine line there...
 
But if they don't give a serious perk to the people who stay onsite don't they risk alienating the ones who are giving them more money?

I think they are in a position now where the perks arent good enough....80 percent occupancy means a lot of cash left on the table.
 
They already do that and can continue to give them the EMH perk. That way onsite guests can get up early or stay late in order to hit the headliners they couldn't secure with their 3 allowable FP+ selections.

EMH might be for on-site only, but that doesn't mean those offsite frequently take advantage of the late night openings in large numbers. They need to offer on-site a better perk than that.

Keeping FP+ pre-booking an on-site and AP holder only deal would be the way to do it. Or offer those on-site double the FP+, ability to book all FP+'s on multiple headliners, etc.
 
Got it. I just assumed that in the spirit of "trying everything" that someone must have tried booking at a kiosk with their KTTW card. LOL I was wondering if anyone tried to park hop as well. Come on surely one person tried it. :-)

I have FP+ booked at another park, but going to AK in the morning. Wondering if any way I can still get FP at AK? Really lame if not, don't remember when couldn't use FP at all in a park! Normally we constantly use them all day. :(
 
Alienate them and a lot of hotels/businesses in Orlando.

But you can see how they might want to lock off-site into FP+ in some way: a different ticket type with "good for" dates, cancellation fees, etc. They'd have a tough time planning anything it they weren't absolutely sure when they were coming.

I keep seeing similar statements to this, and I just don't understand why people think it would be needed. By opening off-site to prebooking, that alerts Disney to when they will be there. If you don't have an on-site reservation, then you can book no more than 60 (or 30, or 45, or whatever "magical" number is decided upon) in advance. The +10 (or 5, or 8, or 14, etc.) becomes the benefit to staying onsite.
 
I dont think Disney cares about the financial health of the offsite hotels in Orlando. Now alienating offsite customers too much, I agree they will have to walk a fine line there...

And their treatment of the Swan and Dolphin make the fine line very fuzzy. Those are huge on-site hotels that are being treated as off-site hotels for FP+ purposes. They have no problem booking you into those hotels through central reservations and providing you with Disney transportation. But when it comes to MDE, you may as well be staying at the Grand Hyatt or Peabody.
 
And their treatment of the Swan and Dolphin make the fine line very fuzzy. Those are huge on-site hotels that are being treated as off-site hotels for FP+ purposes. They have no problem booking you into those hotels through central reservations and providing you with Disney transportation. But when it comes to MDE, you may as well be staying at the Grand Hyatt or Peabody.

S/D is in a different category than all of the other offsite hotels. They get some things that onsite gets, and they don't get other things (Magical Express for example). And MDE will fall somewhere in there as well, depending on what both parties negotiate.

I'm talking about the other million hotels and timeshares in Orlando that exist and profit because Disney exists in Orlando. I don't think Disney cares if these FP changes affect their profits.
 
Got it. I just assumed that in the spirit of "trying everything" that someone must have tried booking at a kiosk with their KTTW card. LOL I was wondering if anyone tried to park hop as well. Come on surely one person tried it. :-)

If an on-site guest who has already set up a profile, set up their MagicBands, made FP+ selections, etc. went to the kiosk and scanned their KTTW card, they'd see the same thing as if they scanned their magicband - all their current selections, which they can change. The KTTW card and the MagicBand are interchangeable in that regard. It wouldn't give them more FP+.
 
But if they don't give a serious perk to the people who stay onsite don't they risk alienating the ones who are giving them more money?

Is 10 days ahead of offsite guests not enough of a perk? It certainly is for dining. Those 10 days make a world of difference on being able to score a number of different ADRs.
 
I'm talking about the other million hotels and timeshares in Orlando that exist and profit because Disney exists in Orlando. I don't think Disney cares if these FP changes affect their profits.
I hear what you're saying, but right now, the S/D are being treated no differently than those million timeshares. That is not a clientele that Disney should want to alienate, but as it pertains to FP+, they are.
 














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