Alcohol in the Magic Kingdom

[JimmyV]

Did you know about the outdoor lounge attached to the brown derby? Love it!!

One of my favorite spots was The Catwalk Bar above the Brown Derby. A real hidden gem.

 

[JJZMgailey]

News flash..."magic" isn't real.
Dumbo and Pooh are not "magical".

::fingers in ears:: La La La La La La La La

 

[MaryKatesMom]

Did you know about the outdoor lounge attached to the brown derby? Love it!!

Yes. That is one of my favorites also! So nice to sit, glass of wine and watch the foot traffic.

 

[MaryKatesMom]

One of my favorite spots was The Catwalk Bar above the Brown Derby. A real hidden gem.

I knew about it but it was gone by the time I could get there.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Of course the magic is real......of course the Disney characters and attractions are magic and no other charters come close to the joy and magic.....It is what Walt and the imaginers created..............it is what makes the MK is special. Why it needs to be maintained that way. That is why alcohol is just not needed in the MK, with 90% of WDW having wonderful alcoholic drinks, in hundred places, there is no reason to spread it though MK.

Walt Disney seemed to know was that while there is very little grown-up in a child, there is a lot of child in every grown-up. To a child this weary world is brand new, gift wrapped; Disney tried to keep it that way for adults…that is the magic and the pixie dust. You will not find it anywhere else but Disney.

Respect Walt and the park that makes every child and adult for that matter glow with joy is not such a unreasonable thing to do.

AKK

 

[JimmyV]

Of course the magic is real......of course the Disney characters and attractions are magic and no other charters come close to the joy and magic.....It is what Walt and the imaginers created..............it is what makes the MK is special. Why it needs to be maintained that way. That is why alcohol is just not needed in the MK, with 90% of WDW having wonderful alcoholic drinks, in hundred places, there is no reason to spread it though MK.

Walt Disney seemed to know was that while there is very little grown-up in a child, there is a lot of child in every grown-up. To a child this weary world is brand new, gift wrapped; Disney tried to keep it that way for adults…that is the magic and the pixie dust. You will not find it anywhere else but Disney.

Respect Walt and the park that makes every child and adult for that matter glow with joy is not such a unreasonable thing to do.

AKK

There are two major flaws in your argument. First, that magic is real. And second, to the extent that magic is real, that alcohol is a solvent that dissolves said magic. There is no point debating the first, but the second warrants further explanation. What evidence is there that alcohol erodes magic? One could just as easily say that baseball caps erode magic, and no one should be allowed to wear baseball caps in the park. There is just as much evidence of that as there is that the beer and wine being served in BoG is chipping away at whatever magic may exist in the Magic Kingdom. If you can show that Disneyland and/or Disneyland Paris are materially less "magical" than the Magic Kingdom, then your position might gather some steam. But for page after page now, all you do is declare through contradiction that alcohol destroys magic without a sliver of proof or support. Apply some logic to test your hypothesis. If alcohol destroys magic, and alcohol is served in Animal Kingdom and Disneyland Paris, than ipso facto, neither Animal Kingdom nor Disneyland Paris can be magical. It just doesn't work. Further, if alcohol destroys magic and alcohol is served in Be Our Guest, then the Magic Kingdom is decidedly less magical than it was three years ago. For your argument to be true, both of the preceding statements must be true. But where is the proof of either?

 

[AngiTN]

There are two major flaws in your argument. First, that magic is real. And second, to the extent that magic is real, that alcohol is a solvent that dissolves said magic. There is no point debating the first, but the second warrants further explanation. What evidence is there that alcohol erodes magic? One could just as easily say that baseball caps erode magic, and no one should be allowed to wear baseball caps in the park. There is just as much evidence of that as there is that the beer and wine being served in BoG is chipping away at whatever magic may exist in the Magic Kingdom. If you can show that Disneyland and/or Disneyland Paris are materially less "magical" than the Magic Kingdom, then your position might gather some steam. But for page after page now, all you do is declare through contradiction that alcohol destroys magic without a sliver of proof or support. Apply some logic to test your hypothesis. If alcohol destroys magic, and alcohol is served in Animal Kingdom and Disneyland Paris, than ipso facto, neither Animal Kingdom nor Disneyland Paris can be magical. It just doesn't work. Further, if alcohol destroys magic and alcohol is served in Be Our Guest, then the Magic Kingdom is decidedly less magical than it was three years ago. For your argument to be true, both of the preceding statements must be true. But where is the proof of either?

This is what so many here have asked of the ones who are anti alcohol in the MK. How has their park experience changed since wine came to BOG. Specific examples of how the magic, or anything else, has been altered. So far, no one has offered up any evidence of their park experience being negatively affected by wine at BOG.
If someone can give me a good, effective example of how things are negatively impacted then I may just be able to get on the no more alcohol in MK band wagon. Until then, I'm not buying the "it will loose magic" argument because I'd venture to guess that you would have no idea that a beer was served at LTT unless you sat next to someone and saw them drink it. And even then how would that destroy the magic for you.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Jimmy your missing the point..........the point is:


Respect Walt and the tradition of a alcohol free MK, in the park that makes every child and adult for that matter glow with joy is not such a unreasonable thing to do.

There is no reason to have alcohol in the mk. Those that enjoy a drink can get it in a hundred different places. and Disney has proved they don't control it. This is clearly demonstrated in Epcot and the drunk problem there, which has been reported many times by other posters and seen by my family and friends as well a number of times, not to mention that the problem is driving guests away.

We are not talking logic here, we are talking tradition, emotions and magic and the wonder of the Park unmatched in the world.

No by it self BOG is not the problem, though I find it distasteful and unnecessary in the MK. It's that, if it is expanded and we end up with beer and booze carts around the MK, it will destroy the magic of a very unique park.

We are not talking about the AK or HS, this is a very different and special places, MK and DL. Paris is a different culture all together.

Keep it/ take it out totally prevents a problem growing.


We discussed this before. I don't expect the MK to be alcohol free again, but I will use very straight forward and logical reasoning as to why it should be. Mostly because no one can say why the MK should/ needs to have alcohol, when there is a hundred other places to get what they want.

 

[AngiTN]

Jimmy your missing the point..........the point is:


Respect Walt and the tradition of a alcohol free MK, in the park that makes every child and adult for that matter glow with joy is not such a unreasonable thing to do.

There is no reason to have alcohol in the mk. Those that enjoy a drink can get it in a hundred different places. and Disney has proved they don't control it. This is clearly demonstrated in Epcot and the drunk problem there, which has been reported many times by other posters and seen by my family and friends as well a number of times, not to mention that the problem is driving guests away.

No by it self BOG is not the problem, though I find it distasteful and unnecessary in the MK. It's that, if it is expanded and we end up with beer and booze carts around the MK, it will destroy the magic of a very unique park.

We are not talking about the AK or HS, this is a very different and special places, MK and DL. Paris is a different culture all together.

Keep it/ take it out totally prevents a problem growing.

There is no reason to jump to the conclusion that having beer or wine added to other meals will mean beer or wine carts in the park.

 

[porschegrl]

There is no reason to jump to the conclusion that having beer or wine added to other meals will mean beer or wine carts in the park.

Agreed. Nor is there any reason to jump to the conclusion that allowing alcohol in MK TS restaurants will create a "drunk problem" as some have reported in Epcot, when there is no such problem in AK or DHS (which do have alcohol carts as well).

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Agreed. Nor is there any reason to jump to the conclusion that allowing alcohol in MK TS restaurants will create a "drunk problem" as some have reported in Epcot, when there is no such problem in AK or DHS (which do have alcohol carts as well).

Why have it at all??.........Epcot proved the problem, why take a chance with destroying the MK??? Any one that wants a drink can get it somewhere else!

AKK

 

[PghPiratesGirl]

This thread is starting to resemble a tantrum of a three year old who is asked why they want something.. and the toddler replies "Because!!"
No real proof or even no real argument. Just "because."

 

[mrs moon]

im a smoker & would like to smoke where ever i want but realize its not appropriate..neither is alcohol..while realizing that drink is fine in moderation the reality is many dont see that moderation and who wants that around families with children...People are quick to blast smokers but alcohol is far worse..Would you choose to stand yr child next to a group of smokers or next to a group of drunks!!! I realize this is not discussing drunks merely a drink with dinner but unfortunately we cannot afford to take that chance for the ones that take advantage...

 

[AngiTN]

im a smoker & would like to smoke where ever i want but realize its not appropriate..neither is alcohol..while realizing that drink is fine in moderation the reality is many dont see that moderation and who wants that around families with children...People are quick to blast smokers but alcohol is far worse..Would you choose to stand yr child next to a group of smokers or next to a group of drunks!!! I realize this is not discussing drunks merely a drink with dinner but unfortunately we cannot afford to take that chance for the ones that take advantage...

I fail to see how seeing a drunk person would harm my little snowflakes. My child, or now my grandchild, has never been harmed by witnessing a drunk person. Quite the opposite actually. It's a great time to show just why you should NOT abuse alcohol. The adults in their life show them the proper way to drink without over doing it. And in all the trips we've taken with DGD to Disney she's not seen a single drunk, even at *gasp*, Epcot during F&W.

And the suggestion that alcohol is far worse than smoking, ludicrous. I've yet to hear of cancer or health problems from 2nd hand drinking. And don't bring up drinking while pregnant or drinking while driving. That's not the same as drinks with dinner at MK and you know it.

 

[Tiaramisu]

This thread is starting to resemble a tantrum of a three year old who is asked why they want something.. and the toddler replies "Because!!"
No real proof or even no real argument. Just "because."

 

[scoutie]

im a smoker & would like to smoke where ever i want but realize its not appropriate..neither is alcohol..while realizing that drink is fine in moderation the reality is many dont see that moderation and who wants that around families with children...People are quick to blast smokers but alcohol is far worse..Would you choose to stand yr child next to a group of smokers or next to a group of drunks!!! I realize this is not discussing drunks merely a drink with dinner but unfortunately we cannot afford to take that chance for the ones that take advantage...

The reality is that the majority of people drink in moderation. I rarely (if ever?) see a random group of drunks anywhere, and I dine out once a week. I would not want my child around second hand smoke. I see nothing wrong with my kids seeing people enjoy a glass of wine with dinner. My daughter has asthma, so if there is a group of people smoking, we do have to move.

 

[MaryKatesMom]

EPCOT does NOT have a problem with drunks. The only time I heard of any "problems" are some weekend nights during F&W.

I remember years ago, enjoying a beer on a bench in the shade, while my toddler slept in the stroller in front of the R&C. There were a party of about 8 conventioneers who obviously had been drinking but they stood there and were just laughing loudly and telling stories. Is that really a "problem"? It was a beautiful day, everyone including my DD were comfortable, happy and on vacation. What is the "problem"?

 

[TeresaWen]

Anyone who would call alcohol in Be our Guest distasteful never had their Shadow of the Beast red with the rack of lamb. Amazing. And the Fairy Tale Cuvee is a magical experience.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

EPCOT does NOT have a problem with drunks. The only time I heard of any "problems" are some weekend nights during F&W.

I remember years ago, enjoying a beer on a bench in the shade, while my toddler slept in the stroller in front of the R&C. There were a party of about 8 conventioneers who obviously had been drinking but they stood there and were just laughing loudly and telling stories. Is that really a "problem"? It was a beautiful day, everyone including my DD were comfortable, happy and on vacation. What is the "problem"?

Well everyone is entitled to a opinion . However the last 4 years or so Epcot has had a drinking problem not only during F and W weekends, but weekend nights in general. Its been reported on the Dis and other sites quit extensively.

In answer to your question, just a group having a few drinks is not the problem.

Please go back and read my posts, I am discussing the special nature of the MK, and why there is no reason to have alcohol there. Especially when there is so many other place to enjoy a drink in WDW .

I am talking about tradition, emotions and magic and the wonder of a Park unmatched in the world and keeping it that way.


AKK

 

[KateP85]

I think this has ceased to be an intelligent conversation. It's pretty moot right now; there is alcohol at BOG, so Walt's wishes from 50 years ago are not being honored anyway.

I'm sure there will be alcohol in other parts of MK at some point. I'm sure there will still be 'magic' in MK and children will not be harmed by the addition of alcohol.