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I am stating that success at the MK has little to do with Walt Disney, the man, who's "vision" people keep parading out. And that success at the MK is one that is based on change. If everything in the MK had stayed exactly as it was the park would have flopped years ago.

Little to do with Walt Disney??? Really??? The park still has how many attractions that the man designed himself. The magic kingdom was a clone of disneyland which was primarily walts work. The haunted mansion ,hall of presidents,space mountain,it's a small world ,carousel of progress,pirates of the carribbean,country bear jamboree,jungle cruise,swiss family tree house,tiki room and others can pretty much be attributed to WALT. Tha man was a visionary. Your assumption about the park flopping is a poor one at best. Everyone acting like this was such a smart move by managemnet is ridiculous,simply put it is a money grab. It will continue with other locations though because the current management has lost touch with the disney magic!
 
Little to do with Walt Disney??? Really??? The park still has how many attractions that the man designed himself. The magic kingdom was a clone of disneyland which was primarily walts work. The haunted mansion ,hall of presidents,space mountain,it's a small world ,carousel of progress,pirates of the carribbean,country bear jamboree,jungle cruise,swiss family tree house,tiki room and others can pretty much be attributed to WALT. Tha man was a visionary. Your assumption about the park flopping is a poor one at best. Everyone acting like this was such a smart move by managemnet is ridiculous,simply put it is a money grab. It will continue with other locations though because the current management has lost touch with the disney magic!

Little to do with the success of the park. They didn't open the park and then let it be. Walt may have had a hand in things, but the success of the park SINCE then has been because of the smart business decisions that the company has made over the years. Every move that any management team makes is based on money first. You're a pollyanna if you don't think so. And yes, I fully believe that they will sell alcohol at other locations in MK- 5 years is all I give it.

But thanks for calling so many of us ridiculous. LOL. You're the one spouting off about "magic", which need I remind you, is made up thing.
 
to say that MK's success is directly tied to Walt Disney is a bit strange, since the MK has operated far far far longer without Disney than with. Whatever success the MK has is attributed to all the folks who worked and ran the company after him.

walt was dead when mk opened (and had been for several years).
 
Little to do with the success of the park. They didn't open the park and then let it be. Walt may have had a hand in things, but the success of the park SINCE then has been because of the smart business decisions that the company has made over the years. Every move that any management team makes is based on money first. You're a pollyanna if you don't think so. And yes, I fully believe that they will sell alcohol at other locations in MK- 5 years is all I give it.

But thanks for calling so many of us ridiculous. LOL. You're the one spouting off about "magic", which need I remind you, is made up thing.

Wow really , so most of the people don't come to see the attractions walt bulit and designed? Main street? where did that concept come from? The castle? Hmm, if Walt isn't the one person most responsible for Walt Disney World than I don,t know who is! Quite frankly he laid out the blue print for the MK and saw to the property being purchased,but hey if you don't see it that is your opinion.
 

Little to do with Walt Disney??? Really??? The park still has how many attractions that the man designed himself. The magic kingdom was a clone of disneyland which was primarily walts work. The haunted mansion ,hall of presidents,space mountain,it's a small world ,carousel of progress,pirates of the carribbean,country bear jamboree,jungle cruise,swiss family tree house,tiki room and others can pretty much be attributed to WALT. Tha man was a visionary. Your assumption about the park flopping is a poor one at best. Everyone acting like this was such a smart move by managemnet is ridiculous,simply put it is a money grab. It will continue with other locations though because the current management has lost touch with the disney magic!

And those attractions were initial push for people to go, not the fact that park was dry. Infact many people do not even know until they book ADR, so for majority this fact has nothing to do with their desire to visit Disney and therefore success of the park has nothing to do with being dry.
 
Wow really , so most of the people don't come to see the attractions walt bulit and designed? Main street? where did that concept come from? The castle? Hmm, if Walt isn't the one person most responsible for Walt Disney World than I don,t know who is! Quite frankly he laid out the blue print for the MK and saw to the property being purchased,but hey if you don't see it that is your opinion.

Your argument is reaching. SO many changes have happened over the years since Walt Disney had a personal hand in things. Those changes were done to ensure success at the parks. While Disney World has some original attractions that can be tracked back to Walt Disney, MANY of the things that people go to the parks to see and that make the parks what they are came quite a bit of time afterwards. It is this continued evolution and additions that have kept the parks are successful as they are. A basic understanding of business strategy and the like would make this clear.
 
And those attractions were initial push for people to go, not the fact that park was dry. Infact many people do not even know until they book ADR, so for majority this fact has nothing to do with their desire to visit Disney and therefore success of the park has nothing to do with being dry.
I simply am taking exception to the statement about Walt having little to do with the success of the park. Please read the the quote!
 
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Your argument is reaching. SO many changes have happened over the years since Walt Disney had a personal hand in things. Those changes were done to ensure success at the parks. While Disney World has some original attractions that can be tracked back to Walt Disney, MANY of the things that people go to the parks to see and that make the parks what they are came quite a bit of time afterwards. It is this continued evolution and additions that have kept the parks are successful as they are. A basic understanding of business strategy and the like would make this clear.

I don't believe my arguemnet is reaching at all. Isn't it amazing that the park(MK) still has more original rides in it than new ones some 41 years later. The MK was a clone of disneyland which walt also basically designed and had built. He also managed it successfully for quite a few years, so much so that he saw to the Florida project. Yes he did not live to see it opening, but he did have most of it designed before he died in December of 1966. To not give the guy his props is wrong.
 
I simply am taking exception to the statement about Walt having little to do with the success of the park. Please read the the quote!

Of course he has a lot to do with success but park did not stay the same, so it is fair to say that everyone who ever worked there, esp. higher management contributed to success, even hated Iger.
 
I simply am taking exception to the statement about Walt having little to do with the success of the park. Please read the the quote!

Walt had everything to do with the creation of the park. That's where his involvement with mk ends. He was dead. He wasnt making any day to day management decisions. He personally is not responsible for the success of the company since then. By your logic though, any failure at the park should also be attributed to him too, like a castle cake, or like alcohol at mk.Which, to be clear, I do not consider a failure. So, is walt disney responsible for every bad decision?
 
Wow really , so most of the people don't come to see the attractions walt bulit and designed? Main street? where did that concept come from? The castle? Hmm, if Walt isn't the one person most responsible for Walt Disney World than I don,t know who is! Quite frankly he laid out the blue print for the MK and saw to the property being purchased,but hey if you don't see it that is your opinion.

Apples and oranges. Building and conceptualizing and being responsible for running and changing the company are two different things. People dont come to the park because the park has never changed. People come because the company has continually evolved in a great mix of keeping old and adding new.
 
buffettgirl said:
Apples and oranges. Building and conceptualizing and being responsible for running and changing the company are two different things. People dont come to the park because the park has never changed. People come because the company has continually evolved in a great mix of keeping old and adding new.

Well said. That is exactly why I go to WDW and why I will keep on going. Thank you.
 
Apples and oranges. Building and conceptualizing and being responsible for running and changing the company are two different things. People dont come to the park because the park has never changed. People come because the company has continually evolved in a great mix of keeping old and adding new.

Too true. I certainly wouldn't be a repeat visitor to Disneyland and WDW if the parks were exactly the same as they were on opening day. Setting the parks in suspended animation might get a lot of "once in a lifetime" visitors, but how many people would keep coming back?
 
Walt was a brilliant man with brilliant ideas, but giving him credit for all the success Walt Disney World has experienced over the last 40 or so years would be like saying Alexander Graham Bell is responsible for the success of the
iPhone. He had the start of a great idea, but many years and many people perfected it. With that being said, I can't wait to have a glass of Cabernet with my dinner at BOG ;p
 
Little to do with Walt Disney??? Really??? The park still has how many attractions that the man designed himself. The magic kingdom was a clone of disneyland which was primarily walts work. The haunted mansion ,hall of presidents,space mountain,it's a small world ,carousel of progress,pirates of the carribbean,country bear jamboree,jungle cruise,swiss family tree house,tiki room and others can pretty much be attributed to WALT. Tha man was a visionary. Your assumption about the park flopping is a poor one at best. Everyone acting like this was such a smart move by managemnet is ridiculous,simply put it is a money grab. It will continue with other locations though because the current management has lost touch with the disney magic!


That is laughable. How much revenue will really be generated by adding alcohol to a restaurant that was all ready difficult to get an ADR?
 
Tanyabeth8 said:
Walt was a brilliant man with brilliant ideas, but giving him credit for all the success Walt Disney World has experienced over the last 40 or so years would be like saying Alexander Graham Bell is responsible for the success of the
iPhone. He had the start of a great idea, but many years and many people perfected it. With that being said, I can't wait to have a glass of Cabernet with my dinner at BOG ;p

I love your analogy!
 
That is laughable. How much revenue will really be generated by adding alcohol to a restaurant that was all ready difficult to get an ADR?
What is laughable is thinking they are adding it for some other reason. Money is the number one reason without a question. Get ready for amassive rollout in other restaurants too!
 
I'm not sure what you're going for, but no, I don't visit for the restaurants, because by and large, I find the food sub par. Especially at the MK.

But that doesn't have anything to do with the conversation at hand. You stated that you can't argue with success. I agree, MK is successful. But I don't think success at the MK has anything to do with the fact that there has never been alcohol sales there. I am stating that success at the MK has little to do with Walt Disney, the man, who's "vision" people keep parading out. And that success at the MK is one that is based on change. If everything in the MK had stayed exactly as it was the park would have flopped years ago.


I would agree that Walt Disney would have had no influence on Disney, if the day after he died, they removed all of his creations, park layout designs, intellectual property and funds from his past successes.

Do believe an individual can be responsible for achieving great success, or that anyone could have been successful in his situation? Do you think if you had the opportunity, you could have created more popular attractions?
 
What is laughable is thinking they are adding it for some other reason. Money is the number one reason without a question. Get ready for amassive rollout in other restaurants too!


Yes it is laughable to say this is a money grab. You could possibly call it that is they made it available throughout the park in the same manner as the others. The amount of revenue generated from this venture will not be large enough to call it a grab. It is most likely due to their research that showed customers were looking for a restaurant at MK that would serve alcohol with their meals.
 
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