Al Gore uses 20 TIMES as much electricity as you do

[Fitswimmer]

With the wealth he has accumulated over the years he could have easily built a state of the art "green home" loaded with every new "green" feature and could have used that home as a showcase for the ideas preaches about.

I believe that is what Leo DiCaprio has done. My niece is a BIG fan of Leo's and she told me the other night that he has a house that is very environmentally friendly, not HUGE and drives hybrids. She says he's walking the walk and encouraging others. That's all anyone expects. If you want me to do it, you're on national TV, magazines and newspapers telling all of us how important it is that we all get behind this movement-then you have to really lead.

It strikes me as funny that the same people who gleefully report every preacher that commits adultery and every politician of a certain party that gets caught in a lie get their panties in such a twist when one of their own faves gets caught being hypocritical as well.

 

[LuvDuke]

The thing that amazes me the most about this whole dust up is how Al Gore got caught red handed, but should have realised that press and his opponents would be watching him. Like it or not, he's the face of the Global warming debate in this country and has been pushing this issue for a long time. Him owning this older, huge house that isn't energy efficient by any means, was a bad PR move. With the wealth he has accumulated over the years he could have easily built a state of the art "green home" loaded with every new "green" feature and could have used that home as a showcase for the ideas preaches about. He could have literally led the way with that new, high tech home, but he probably was arrogant enough to think he wouldn't be found out. Arrogance is a common trait among hypocrites. To me he's no different than Bill Bennett talking about morals then being exposed as a habitual gambler. He can talk about updating the house all he wants to and how much carbon offsets he purchases, but he's lost the high ground in this debate. Bottom line he doesn't need that big of a home and all the excuses in the world aren't going to cover that fact.

You're looking at this with waaaay too narrow a view.

None of this matters unless Gore is running for president.

This was a pre-emptive trial balloon by the Republican slime machine. If this goes nowhere OR only effects Gore among Republicans, you will never hear of this again.

 

[iloveboardwalk]

You're looking at this with waaaay too narrow a view.

None of this matters unless Gore is running for president.

This was a pre-emptive trial balloon by the Republican slime machine. If this goes nowhere OR only effects Gore among Republicans, you will never hear of this again.

Actually, I think it's a natural reaction. People, in general, do not like to be told what to do. They certainly don't like to be preached at, especially by someone who doesn't even have their own yard cleaned up. This goes for Al the semi-environmentalist as well as for Newt, the semi-family values guy...and any other hypocritical politician out there...which is kind of redundant you know, hypocritical and politician sort of mean the same thing.

 

[Fitswimmer]

You're looking at this with waaaay too narrow a view.

None of this matters unless Gore is running for president.

This was a pre-emptive trial balloon by the Republican slime machine. If this goes nowhere OR only effects Gore among Republicans, you will never hear of this again.

After I saw the movie, I really admired him for the passion he brought to the issue. I still wouldn't have wanted him as a President, because I really believed that he was doing more good bringing attention to this topic than he ever could have in the WH, with all the other issues he would need to concentrate on. I've posted more than once about how I thought he did a great job with the film. However, if this is all true, then the whole thing was just a way to get him on everyone's mind so if he did want to run again he would have all this positive feeling behind him. If this is all true, I feel like he manipulated the public just like every other politician.

 

[brerrabbit]

While the majority of the debate here has centered around the typical Liberal vs Conservative, right vs left, I think the bigger picture is being missed. While I have a fiscally conservative leaning I have a slightly liberal social view as much as I hate to admit sometimes. I don't hate Al Gore and I don't discount his green efforts, however I am a victim of the classic shoot the messenger syndrom. I really don't want to hear a guy who has such a huge carbon footprint telling me I don't live green enough. I don't doubt the message for one minute, however I somewhat discount the message based on the messenger. Let me put in other terms. I grew up in a heavily hispanic area where as you would assume the majority of the people were Catholic. My Jr. High was 70% hispanic and I encountered some of the worst that things that community had to offer, as well as some of the best. They could lie, cheat steal, fight, and beat you up for lunch money in a heartbeat Monday through Friday while wearing their crosses around their neck, but come Saturday I would see them at church with their families going to confession and being absolved of their sins with the rest of us. Come Monday they would resume their "normal" ways. Now I don't think that they would be considered role models for delivering the love of Jesus given their actions. Oh sure they confessed and were absolved but they still did things they should not have done if they were true belivers.

So I will listen to Al Gores message and find truth in it. However if I were totally green and truely into the cause I would also not necessarily want him to be the spokesman for our cause. Go recruit Ed Bagely or as someone said above Leo Decaprio if he honestly lives the green life.

It's not the message folks, its the messenger.

 

[Galahad]

The term "carbon footprint" is absurdly nonsensical. It's the latest "organic".

 

[froglady]

I'm happy that Mr Gore is able to obtain green power. I wish I could, but it's not available where I live. And if it were, I might not be able to afford it.

But that doesn't offset the fact that he is telling the rest of us to CUT DOWN on our power usage, change our cars and driving habits, and other things that will make us more uncomfortable, or switch to alternate fuels, which are more expensive....or ALL of the above.

He apparently has the means to maintain the same standard of living as previously by his wealth and the availibility of power sources that are not available to the "Average Joe."

So, he has not really been at all inconvenienced by living a green lifestyle, since his lifestyle hasn't really been changed at all.

I DO recyle, I DO use low energy lightbulbs, and I DO keep my thermostat/hot water at energy efficient levels. As I replace appliances and cars I switch to more energy efficient ones (especially since I'm approaching the end of carpool years, so my next car will NOT be a minivan) but I certainly cannot do much more at this time without making drastic changes in my lifestyle.

 

[Chloe'sMom]

Thanks for checking in Doc, but the spam you put up still doesn't explain or "forgive" the HUGE amount of electricity the Quixote -errrrr, Gore family is consuming. Looks like the link Drudge put out has the real numbers for the Gore mansion power bill. Carbon offsets?? I'm not falling for that one.

I didn't realize that Gore needed to be forgiven.

I'm not a big Gore fan, I voted against him in 2000 and wouldn't vote for him if he chose to run again. I haven't seen his documentary yet.

I have seen him on several talk shows and he explains this his family is actually is at negative on their carbon output. They use all the same products they reccomend other Americans use. The energy saving lightbulbs, the water heater covers, the programmable thermostat. None of which I think is outrageous to suggest that people use. I mean - in all honesty it saves on your energy bill, and helps the environment - seems like a win win to me.

His family does output a lot of carbon - and he is aware of that, but they also have the money and the means to do other things that add to the environment. I can't remember how many plants and trees his family organizes to have planted every year. But it was way more then I could afford.

I love how this is not a slap in the face of Gore to some people. Putting politics aside and actually listening to what he has to save really makes sense - if you can get past the "He invented the internet" and the 2000 election.

Don't we have bigger problems in the world besides proving if Al Gore is wasting energy or not?

~Amanda

 

[LuvDuke]

Actually, I think it's a natural reaction. People, in general, do not like to be told what to do. They certainly don't like to be preached at, especially by someone who doesn't even have their own yard cleaned up. This goes for Al the semi-environmentalist as well as for Newt, the semi-family values guy...and any other hypocritical politician out there...which is kind of redundant you know, hypocritical and politician sort of mean the same thing.

You're missing what I'm saying. People have a right to whatever reaction they choose.

However, this has everything to do with politics. And the only way any of this matters to the groups behind all of this is if Al Gore runs for president. If he decides not to run for president OR he's only damaged goods in the eyes of Republicans, this group and this line of "information" will disappear.

The Tennessee group is in the back pocket of the American Enterprise Institute who are in the back pocket of Exxon who have a direct pipeline to the Republican party.

This is bare knuckle politics and nothing else. This was a pre-emptive strike against Al Gore the same way 2 Republican Congressman were sent out over the airwaves to talk about Mark Foley's emails as "G-rated". It went nowhere and you never heard the term agan.

So give it a week or so.

 

[LuvDuke]

I didn't realize that Gore needed to be forgiven.

I'm not a big Gore fan, I voted against him in 2000 and wouldn't vote for him if he chose to run again. I haven't seen his documentary yet.

I have seen him on several talk shows and he explains this his family is actually is at negative on their carbon output. They use all the same products they reccomend other Americans use. The energy saving lightbulbs, the water heater covers, the programmable thermostat. None of which I think is outrageous to suggest that people use. I mean - in all honesty it saves on your energy bill, and helps the environment - seems like a win win to me.

His family does output a lot of carbon - and he is aware of that, but they also have the money and the means to do other things that add to the environment. I can't remember how many plants and trees his family organizes to have planted every year. But it was way more then I could afford.

I love how this is not a slap in the face of Gore to some people. Putting politics aside and actually listening to what he has to save really makes sense - if you can get past the "He invented the internet" and the 2000 election.

Don't we have bigger problems in the world besides proving if Al Gore is wasting energy or not?

~Amanda

If after a week, the only people still carrying this torch are the "He invented the internet" crowd, it'll disappear because the pre-emptive strike failed.

 

[Chloe'sMom]

The thing that amazes me the most about this whole dust up is how Al Gore got caught red handed, but should have realised that press and his opponents would be watching him. Like it or not, he's the face of the Global warming debate in this country and has been pushing this issue for a long time. Him owning this older, huge house that isn't energy efficient by any means, was a bad PR move. With the wealth he has accumulated over the years he could have easily built a state of the art "green home" loaded with every new "green" feature and could have used that home as a showcase for the ideas preaches about. He could have literally led the way with that new, high tech home, but he probably was arrogant enough to think he wouldn't be found out. Arrogance is a common trait among hypocrites. To me he's no different than Bill Bennett talking about morals then being exposed as a habitual gambler. He can talk about updating the house all he wants to and how much carbon offsets he purchases, but he's lost the high ground in this debate. Bottom line he doesn't need that big of a home and all the excuses in the world aren't going to cover that fact.

It's his money - he can buy whatever home he wants to.

~Amanda

 

[Andy B]

You're missing what I'm saying. People have a right to whatever reaction they choose.

However, this has everything to do with politics. And the only way any of this matters to the groups behind all of this is if Al Gore runs for president. If he decides not to run for president OR he's only damaged goods in the eyes of Republicans, this group and this line of "information" will disappear.

The Tennessee group is in the back pocket of the American Enterprise Institute who are in the back pocket of Exxon who have a direct pipeline to the Republican party.

This is bare knuckle politics and nothing else. This was a pre-emptive strike against Al Gore the same way 2 Republican Congressman were sent out over the airwaves to talk about Mark Foley's emails as "G-rated". It went nowhere and you never heard the term agan.

So give it a week or so.

As Gore is/was a politician there is politics involved but I do not think Global Warming is just a ruse to provide Al Gore with a position for a possible future electorial position. But if that is what you believe...

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

I didn't realize that Gore needed to be forgiven.

I'm not a big Gore fan, I voted against him in 2000 and wouldn't vote for him if he chose to run again. I haven't seen his documentary yet.

I have seen him on several talk shows and he explains this his family is actually is at negative on their carbon output. They use all the same products they reccomend other Americans use. The energy saving lightbulbs, the water heater covers, the programmable thermostat. None of which I think is outrageous to suggest that people use. I mean - in all honesty it saves on your energy bill, and helps the environment - seems like a win win to me.

His family does output a lot of carbon - and he is aware of that, but they also have the money and the means to do other things that add to the environment. I can't remember how many plants and trees his family organizes to have planted every year. But it was way more then I could afford.

I love how this is not a slap in the face of Gore to some people. Putting politics aside and actually listening to what he has to save really makes sense - if you can get past the "He invented the internet" and the 2000 election.

Don't we have bigger problems in the world besides proving if Al Gore is wasting energy or not?

~Amanda

Yes, a bigger problem is rebutting those who want us to waste billions on "stopping Global warming" such as Big Energy Gore.

 

[BuckNaked]

As Gore is/was a politician there is politics involved but I do not think Global Warming is just a ruse to provide Al Gore with a position for a possible future electorial position. But if that is what you believe...

I don't think she's saying that all, but rather that the "uproar" over his energy use is simply a political ploy of his political enemies.

 

[LuvDuke]

As Gore is/was a politician there is politics involved but I do not think Global Warming is just a ruse to provide Al Gore with a position for a possible future electorial position. But if that is what you believe...

HUH?

I don't believe it either and I don't know where you got that impression.

Please reread what I said in 2 different posts.

 

[Chloe'sMom]

Yes, a bigger problem is rebutting those who want us to waste billions on "stopping Global warming" such as Big Energy Gore.

I don't consider investing money into alternative fuels is a wate of billions. Even your fearless leader has made the statement that we are to dependent on oil and need to cut back and invest in alternative sources of energy. Whether he does anything about it will be another thing.

Energy Conservation - isn't a new thing - I can remember 15 years ago in grade school being taught about recycling, turning off the lights, not letting the water run while I brushed my teeth, how styrafoam doesn't desinergrate and all that jazz.

~Amanda

 

[LuvDuke]

I don't think she's saying that all, but rather that the "uproar" over his energy use is simply a political ploy of his political enemies.

GMTA.

 

[Andy B]

HUH?

I don't believe it either and I don't know where you got that impression.

Please reread what I said in 2 different posts.

Did I get your position the wrong way round, its amazing how signals bounce across the atlantic

It just about the end of my working day over here and I have been doing this in between waiting for my systems to save some work files, I have been looking at this screen all day and sometimes the words just have a life of their own.

 

[iloveboardwalk]

You're missing what I'm saying. People have a right to whatever reaction they choose.

However, this has everything to do with politics. And the only way any of this matters to the groups behind all of this is if Al Gore runs for president. If he decides not to run for president OR he's only damaged goods in the eyes of Republicans, this group and this line of "information" will disappear.

The Tennessee group is in the back pocket of the American Enterprise Institute who are in the back pocket of Exxon who have a direct pipeline to the Republican party.

This is bare knuckle politics and nothing else. This was a pre-emptive strike against Al Gore the same way 2 Republican Congressman were sent out over the airwaves to talk about Mark Foley's emails as "G-rated". It went nowhere and you never heard the term agan.

So give it a week or so.

I'm not missing the point, this is politics as usual, the same tactics the left and the right use on their political enemies. However, Gore's pro-environmental speeches come off sounding a little hollow considering his lavish lifestyle. If he wants the average American to make changes, he should try living like the average American.

 

[LuvDuke]

Did I get your position the wrong way round, its amazing how signals bounce across the atlantic

Yeah, you did. No problem.

England and America are two countries separated by a common language.
George Bernard Shaw