Airplane travel etiquette

I have asked flight attendents to move bags from the overhead bins before b/c yes. the occupants were not anywhere near the seats.
Once when i flew, there was a suitcase that took up almost teh entire bin plus 3 jackets in the overhead bin. There was nobody in my row and only 3 people anywhere near me (a family in teh rown in front of me). I have medical stuff that needs to be in a bin above me and cannot be checked under any circumstances.
SO i asked the family if teh bag was theirs and they said that it wasnt. They had seen someone put it in the bin and than walk farther back in the plane. So guess what. I told the flight attendant and they removed the bag. I don't know whether they put it in another bin or put it underneath but if you are not sitting in any of the rows near the bin than yes, i will have your bag moved.
 
I have asked flight attendents to move bags from the overhead bins before b/c yes. the occupants were not anywhere near the seats.
Once when i flew, there was a suitcase that took up almost teh entire bin plus 3 jackets in the overhead bin. There was nobody in my row and only 3 people anywhere near me (a family in teh rown in front of me). I have medical stuff that needs to be in a bin above me and cannot be checked under any circumstances.
SO i asked the family if teh bag was theirs and they said that it wasnt. They had seen someone put it in the bin and than walk farther back in the plane. So guess what. I told the flight attendant and they removed the bag. I don't know whether they put it in another bin or put it underneath but if you are not sitting in any of the rows near the bin than yes, i will have your bag moved.

That will only work if there is bin space available to move the luggage to. The flight attendant will try to accommodate your request, but it is not a guarantee. If there is no other space to move the bags over your seat, then your bags will be checked, not the person's already in the bin.

Again, if you have critical medicines that cannot be checked, then you must plan ahead to make sure these are in the carry on that goes under your seat. This is the ONLY carry on space any passenger is guaranteed as theirs.
 
I was told once my camera bag (my only carry on, with several thousands dollars of equipment) was going to have to be stowed under..nope no way.
They found room for mine.

After that no more waiting for families with small children to board first...my experience they are the ones that take up the most overhead space...like with huge mickey mouse balloons.
 
In the UK we have 'cages' by security - if your bag can't fit in the 'cage' then you can't travel with it.

But in the rest of the world we also have strict enforcement of our carry on limits, usually limited to 8kg or so. Planes can turn in under 20 minutes and depart with bins half full. I regularly see LH staff refusing to let passengers board their flights in ORD who come with those 22 inch rollaboards permitted in America, because they exceed LH's carry on policy.

It is a completely different mindset, and not just driven by checked bag fees. Carry on compliance (or lack thereof) on US carriers was an issue long before checked bag fees became the norm in America.

The reality is that many people here on this website still expect airlines to sell money losing fares of $59/69/79 and then balk at paying the various fees. US carriers have been bleeding billions of dollars over the past several years, and they are struggling to change their business model. Passengers just cannot have it all; something has to give, and the model many chose is to charge for checked bags to their least valuable customers (those who tend to be more loyal to low fares than to one carrier or alliance)

I fly UA within America, and they are become very good at enforcing checked bag policies and refusing passengers to board with too many/too large bags.
 

I was told once my camera bag (my only carry on, with several thousands dollars of equipment) was going to have to be stowed under..nope no way.
They found room for mine.

After that no more waiting for families with small children to board first...my experience they are the ones that take up the most overhead space...like with huge mickey mouse balloons.

Filled balloons are allowed on a plane? Can't imagine that to be the case.

So how do you get on the plane wqhen they pre-board the families with small children or those who need special accomodations (like in wheelchairs and such)? I saw the gate attendant turn people away who didn't follow those rules. The only time I ever got on during pre-board time was when I travelled with my SPecial Olympic athletes (13 of them). I asked for us to board first/early because I knew it was going to be hairy getting them all in and settled.
 
That will only work if there is bin space available to move the luggage to. The flight attendant will try to accommodate your request, but it is not a guarantee. If there is no other space to move the bags over your seat, then your bags will be checked, not the person's already in the bin.

Again, if you have critical medicines that cannot be checked, then you must plan ahead to make sure these are in the carry on that goes under your seat. This is the ONLY carry on space any passenger is guaranteed as theirs.

First. this persdons bag should not have been on there to begin with. it was too big an dnot in the bin properly (it was in sideways)

And no. sorry, i have a small carry on that is full of my nebulizer and meds an dif i had to put that under my seat than i cant put anything else under there and i am not traveling cross country with nothing else besides that b/c people not have enough courtesy to not bring there entire wardrobe on the plane with them.

If i did not have to travel with a neb. and all my meds than the only thing i would ever take with me owuld be my purse adn my laptop. I don't understand why people feel the need to take so much with them on the plane.

Part of the problem is that people don't put ANYTHING under there seats. They decide to only use the overhead bins b/c they dont want to keep anythign under their seat. That is selfish.
 
After that no more waiting for families with small children to board first...my experience they are the ones that take up the most overhead space...like with huge mickey mouse balloons.

That hasn't been my experience! As a family of four, we are allowed to have 8 pieces of carry-on luggage, but have NEVER travelled with more than three (my DH's, mine, and one for our two kids). The kids' bag is then put in the seat in front of them, so, between the four of us, we only have two small bags (laptop backpacks) in the overhead bins. When I travel alone with my DDs, I always only bring one carry-on, which we all share, and it goes under seat in front of my youngest DD (she still doesn't need the leg room).

In my experience, it's the business travelers who don't want to wait for checked baggage who take up all the bin space. Between large rollaboards and briefcases/laptop backpacks, they seem to take more than their fair share of the space.
 
Neither broad generalization is fair. Safetymom and I are two of the most frequent travellers on the Transportation Board, and neither of us will travel with a rollaboard. ExPirateShopGirl also commutes to work via airplane and often takes just a lunch bag and purse/case on board. I take very small, very little carry on which meets the international standards and all fits under the seat in front of me, even on US flights. Most of my colleagues do the same.

It is not one group ie families, or business travellers, who cause the problem, but ill-informed travellers, or ill-mannered travellers, or those who do not care about others. I wouldn't want to be on a flight with some of the posters on this thread, as ironically they don't seem to understand or want to follow the basic airline etiquette.

And most US carriers will no longer preboard families. OP is correct on both counts; nor are balloons permitted. They have done many studies to find the most efficient method of boarding, and preboarding families simply slows down the process.
 
Emom said:
Yes, a few seats don't have assigned bin space
golfgal said:
I have to agree with the other poster that the bins above your seat ARE intended for those sitting in those seats to use.
Disagree. There is NO 'assigned' overhead compartment, or any 'right' to the compartment directly above your seats. Think about it - is there really room for three pieces of carry-on luggage in the space directly above your row? Seat pitch - the space from the back of one seat to the back of the seat behind it - is generally about 32 to 35 inches. If each and every passenger used fewer than ten inches of width, possibly every passenger could place a single carry-on bag directly above their row.

Never gonna happen. Ever. Most such luggage can't be stowed on its narrow side; instead, it's placed flat on the floor of the overhead compartment - taking up a good fifteen inches or more.

I just flew last week. I have a small carry-on designed to fit under the seat in front of me, and a messenger-bag style purse. Given that there was no seat in front of me (bulkhead), both bags had to go overhead. I opened what the OP and others would consider "my" compartment - only to find the Flight Attendants' luggage. Go figure. So one FA placed my bags over the seat across the aisle.

golfgal said:
Every plane I have been on has had accommodations for the bins that have airline equipment in them-generally they are in the 1st class sections and they have closets to accommodate those bags.
Some of us fly on airlines with no first class, and so no closets. We all need to be aware we're NOT the only persons on the plane; our parents taught us to share and to respect others. Let's all try to keep up that tradition.
 
I haven't flown too much in the last few years, pretty much since most airlines started charging for checked bags. However, I did my fair share this summer for work. I have to admit, I myself was really annoyed at the size of the luggage people were dragging down the walkway and struggling to get into the overhead bins. It was downright ridiculous. Ultimately, the airlines need to enforce the bag size rule is what it really comes down to.

I fly w/ my purse (and my rescue asthma meds and daily other meds right in there) and 1 small backpack w/ my laptop, camera, and usually a light sweater and a book. These both come on the plane w/ me. However, I know and understand that even my backpack may get checked if I'm required to due to lack of space. That is why I carry my meds in my purse. I pack and check everything else.

My co-worker infuriated me on a recent flight w/ this exact scenario. She was "trying to save money" Honestly, we don't pay for checked luggage- our work does. I'm all for saving money at work. However, if they were willing to spend $900 on my plane ticket to send me to the "semi-stupid" conference at the last minute--- then the cost for me to check my bag is really a drop in the bucket.
 
It becomes pretty obvious on threads like this who travels a lot and who doesn't. I used to travel a lot with my last job and know that the bins are not assigned. You are not even guaranteed a bin. Sometimes they are full and you have to gate check your carry on. If the ones over my seat are full I will use another, I don't care. If they are all full I'll gate check my carry on, again, no big deal.

I will not under any circumstances move someone else's bags and I expect the same courtesy. My laptop bag goes under my seat and anything I "need" on my flight is in there.

To think your bags are more important that someone else's is beyond selfish.

The other stuff the OP posted is kind of annoying. I am not in a hurry to get off the plane and don't push past people. If I get into the isle and there is someone older and less able then me I ask them where their bag is and get it down. If I was stuck putting my bag further back and it is close I ask someone behind me to hand it to me. If it had to be put further back I stay behind and let the rest of the plane empty then I go back and get my bags.

A little courtesy while flying will make everyone's flight better and that includes recognizing that sometimes you just can't put your bags right above your seat...get over it.
 
That will only work if there is bin space available to move the luggage to. The flight attendant will try to accommodate your request, but it is not a guarantee. If there is no other space to move the bags over your seat, then your bags will be checked, not the person's already in the bin.

Again, if you have critical medicines that cannot be checked, then you must plan ahead to make sure these are in the carry on that goes under your seat. This is the ONLY carry on space any passenger is guaranteed as theirs.

Anytime I have flown, our 3 (very small) carryons fit in the bin space above our 3 seats and left room to spare for the carryons of other passengers. We don't take big old honkin' carryons. If the airlines would start enforcing the size limits and not letting people take carryons aboard that didn't fit in "the box," the problem of having no available bin space would end very soon. We always make sure ours fit the measurements, since you never know when the rules WILL be enforced. :confused3

As for stowing my meds and nebulizer under the seat....They're not crazy about that nebulizer going UNDER the seat. It's clunky and needs to be behind something that is latched, such as a bin. They don't want it flying about in turbulence.

I have moved the cases of others out of the bin above our seats before, but I must say I have always managed to fit them back in. It's always because they have placed them sideways in such a way that they take up maximum space and it seems there is essentially no room for our bags. So I remove theirs and begin a more practical arrangement, with the cases running "lengthwise" so more of them can fit. A few times, they have fussed, but it was amazing how quickly they managed to maneuver their case into a position that allowed the space to accomodate our bags and not just theirs. ;)

Do I fly every week? No. But I do fly enough to know that if everyone stuck to what they are supposed to bring on board and didn't push it to the very limits, we could all get our stuff on the plane. I don't like to pay to check a bag any more than the next person, but I will do it.

What I will not do is be separated from thousands of dollars of medicine that cannot be replaced. That is going to stay directly above me. You roll the dice when you ask a FA to help find another spot to store a case so that you can keep yours in the bin above you. Maybe they will be able to do that. Or maybe they will be too rushed or have too much going on and just say they have to check your bag.......Which I simply will not do. I can't even allow the bag of meds to go out of my sight because of what is in there. Some of it could be needed at any time. So yes, it IS more important that some other items that are carried on by some other passengers. And I'm sure almost every flight has people in the same position....Meds must be kept nearby.

I have yet to see a case stored away from the seat of the person because there was no bin space, although I am sure this happens. Anytime it has happened to me or anyone else I've watched, it's always been because it was more convenient for the storer. Usually it's because they have a carryon the size of Texas, a laptop, a purse the size of a small foldout couch, a camera case and whatever else they can manage to get on the plane.

If the day ever comes when our 3 carryons take up an entire bin, then we have a problem on our end. I can always get another carryon in there. Following that rule, there should be plenty of space in the bins for everyone's stuff. (cases of the people in the 3 seats + 1 extra case) If they can't all fit, I will indeed let the FA straighten it out. I'll explain to her what is in my bag, let the other person explain what is in their bag and go from there. But there is no way, no how I am being separated from the meds and machine. Losing them would not be like losing a few items of clothing.
 
We solve the problem by taking carryons that fit under the seat in front of us. We can travel for a whole weekend with those without issues.

I do wonder about the enormous carryons I see though. There are always places to measure the carryons but the airline personnel just seem to ignore these things.
 
The overhead baggage thing drives me bonkers. People way exceed the limits and the airline does nothing about it!!!!!!!!! We used to wait and board toward the end of the line, but now if you do that you have no room for anything.

Last winter we were in the USA and flying domestically. They announced that anything that could fit under the seat should be placed there, to leave room in the overhead bins for the large carry-ons. We fly with very little carry-on baggage for the 5 of us. A lap-top, a backpack and a purse, for the 5 of us. I HATE having things at my feet, so I specifically try to have little. I put all 5 of our coats up, luckily they didn't ask me to move them. I was going to tell them to put them under the seat of someone with a large carry-on bag!

Also, on that flight, during landing several of the overhead bins popped open! Luckily nothing fell out. Obviously they were too full!
 
1. I understand that everyone is angry about being charged $25 for each checked bag...however, people are getting carried away with their carry-ons. Stuffed to bursting and almost as big as a checked bag. Of course they've also got their one "personal" item (laptop, purse, etc), and it's also a MASSIVE backpack stuffed to the gills or a "handbag" the size of Texas stuffed to the gills. The problem is that those who load on the plane first HOG all of the overhead space, so by the time I get on with my itsy little roll on bag (that actually fit into the measuring thingy) there is no room on the plane for my bag so I HAD to check it underneath and waste a half an hour at baggage claim at my destination. All because the rest of the entitled folks had to drag on everything but the kitchen sink.
I think it is high time that the FAA step in. There are two approaches that they may take.

The first, most likely, scenario is putting in place rules here similar to those that are in place everywhere else, i.e., that all carry-ons must fit under the seat in front of you (as opposed to "under the seat in front of you or in the overhead bin). This restriction is very visible in many airports in Europe. Many airports even have metal shield bolted on the x-ray machines at the security check-point, so that oversized items simply cannot get through security. And, of course, they have government officials (like TSA) doing the carry-on enforcement, so there is no concern about a customer brow-beating an employee into letting the customer violate the rules.

The second is a more American solution: Every airline charging for first or second piece of checked luggage must charge for every item brought on the aircraft, and charge more for a carry-on (beyond a single, highly-regulated personal item, which cannot be bigger than can fit under the seat in front of you, i.e., again, not bigger than that so it would have to go in the overhead compartment) -- and they must charge more for carry-ons than they charge for checked baggage.

2. I witnessed BOTH the going and coming flights completely over booked (airlines are truly out of hand) and more than one person nearly get into a fist fight with the gate attendant over that fact. I saw one older couple arguing that the gate attendant had no idea the configuration of the aircraft and according to THEIR research, there were plenty of seats elsewhere on the plane to move into. there wasn't.
The overbooking problem will not get solved. Here's why:

One way that they could solve the overbooking problem is by making all reservations non-refundable after 48 hours prior to the flight. If you are a no-show, you lose your money. If you cannot make it to the airport in time, you pay an extra fee to be fit onto some later flight (still subject to availability). If you miss your connection because you were switching from some other airline, but not via a code-share reservation, then you still pay that extra fee. (If you miss your connection because your incoming aircraft was late, then that fee wouldn't apply, of course.) That would solve the problem. However....

Some folks will react negatively, rebellious perhaps even, in response to these ideas. Those folks are a big part of the problem: They feel that the negative impact of their conduct (being late, not planning far enough ahead, not leaving enough time between connections, not buying travel insurance to cover cases where their own overly-complex itineraries cause them problems, etc.) should be a cost imposed on the system instead of onto themselves. They don't want to take personal responsibility for their own decisions that made serving their travel needs more difficult (and therefore costly) than serving the travel needs of other consumers, and so expect, without good foundation for such expectation, that those added costs would be subsidized by the majority of folks with simply travel needs. And the press would thrive on the unrighteous indignation of such folks, and would essentially use its own political power to squash any efforts to make airline travel better for the majority by shifting responsibility on individual passengers for the costly conduct I outlined above.

Another way that they could solve the over-booking problem is passing a regulation that outlaws the practice entirely. This will, of course, cost airlines more money, but it will cost all the airlines more money, and ostensibly increase the value of airline travel, so that added cost will be reflected in proportionately higher prices (the percentage increase in airfares being reflective of roughly how many no-shows there are on flights).

This is not something individual airlines can do themselves. Any airline that did this unilaterally would be severely punished by its customers for charging higher fares, despite the fact that the customers are getting the added value. Mass-market customers, such as purchasers of airline travel, don't make decisions rationally. They want all the advantages of better service, along with the lower costs, and have little patience for matters of rationality or logic in that regard. So the only way this kind of thing can come about is if the government imposes it. It is the best use of government, to force an entire industry to do something that makes things "better" for "everyone", while not allowing any one of the suppliers to use their refusal to adopt these "better" practices as a competitive advantage (in this case, offering travel with over-booking, at lower cost).

However, again, the media will exploit the sensationalistic aspect of consumers whining incessantly about how this reduces their ability to choose, or some silliness like that, and that will essentially crush and opportunity for the government to actually do any good in this regard.
 
DH, DD and I travel together and book 3 seats together, meaning the bin above our seats is clearly marked for our seats.
This is not the case. Overhead bins are shared space, all the bins shared by everyone in the airplane. There is no assigned overhead bin space. This is really critical. On many flights the crew stow their bags in the overhead compartments over Row 1, which being a bulkhead row, means that the folks sitting there don't have a "seat in front" of them, so all their carry-ons must go in the overhead compartments. And since the crew often takes up what you would consider "their" bin, they must put their carry-ons over Row 2 or 3. And so on from there. Furthermore, often overhead bins are used to install the entertainment control system for the aircraft. There may be other instances where you logic about association of an overhead bin to a specific row of seats cannot apply.

Regardless of the details, it is very important that passengers understand that they only space that is allocated for their exclusive use on an airplane is their seat, and (as long as they aren't sitting in a bulkhead) under the seat in front of them. All other space is shared by all.

If I get to our seats and someone has shoved their luggage into our bin space, I will not hesitate to unload it.
You're as likely as not to cause an altercation. And if I witness you doing it, I will have no concern about reporting what I observed to the flight attendants so that you're the one thrown off of the flight, being that you were the provocateur. Airline travel is hard enough without people taking unjustified actions such as you profess you'd take, that cause conflicts.
 
Why get mad at the passengers? It seems like the airlines are the ones to blame for encouraging so much carry-on and then not managing it better. It's their nickle and dime attitude that is driving the problem.
Sorry, but that still comes back onto the passengers, en masse. The airlines are switching to surcharging because that's what passengers are rewarding them for doing. Passengers are maniacally focused on the lowest fare they can get away with paying. Airlines that cut even just a dollar off their base fare are favored by too many purchasers to ignore the effect of rolling some of the cost out of the base fare and into a surcharge. If the passengers were not rewarding the airlines who are doing this, and were not punishing the airlines who didn't do it, then the airlines never would have done it.
 
I often wondered why they don't build planes with bins overhead marked specifically for each seat (like assigned)?
I would suggest that that is because customers aren't willing to pay enough extra to reward the airlines outfitting their cabins in that manner. It would result in less seating and/or a more claustrophobic cabin environment, neither are things that reward airlines. According to a recent article I read (I think it was in Aviation Week), there is actually an airline cabin outfitter out there offering exactly what you've suggested, but no takers yet.
 
I completely agree with you about people who bring such huge carryons and then hog all the overhead space so that when you get on the space above your seat is already filled. That just isn't right.

I think if you have an assigned seat, why can't they change the overhead compartments so that each assigned seat also has an assigned space to put their carryon. And if their carryon stuff won't fit in their assigned space, they are the ones who have to check it, not the poor people coming on last who just can't find any available space for their stuff.

Mom and I flew to Orlando a year ago and I had a difficult time finding space for our carryons because by the time we got on the space above us was used by someone else. Coming home the flight attendant (male) actually pulled some stuff out of the overhead and made the woman put it (her purse, coat, etc. at her feet which is what she should have done with the small stuff in the first place.

Now whenever I fly I only pack a totebag as a carryon, no more big carryon size pieces of luggage to try to find space for. I bring a change of clothing, my meds, and very little else on the plane with me. So while everyone else is trying to cram their stuff above their seats, I've already sat down and put my tote bag at my feet. Much less stressful!!! :)
 
There are certainly posters here who don't obey the limitations; they used to ask quite frequently on the Transportation Board if they could bring too many/too large carry on, and they (and others) would become offended if they were told that the rules apply to them.

It is a double standard with many people - they complain about the lack of bin space, but they themselves bring too many/too large carry on and/or don't use the space under their seat.

Others would look down on those of us who don't bring much with us; apparently we are somehow inferior because we don't 'need' to have all of our 'stuff' on board with us.

This really isn't an issue when I fly in the rest of the world; I don't know why it is in America. And it wasn't driven by checked bag fees; it was an issue long before then. Why can't people follow instructions and obey the rules? And the airlines don't always enforce them; when they do, I see the reaction of some passengers and can understand why some airline employees are reluctant to confront passengers.
 














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