Air Force Chaplains continue to steal sheep

[WDWHound]

He must have just misinderstood.

Sigh. reread what I have posted again. You really are pulling much more out of it than I said.

Jenny, I am sorry that was done to you. It is them most unChristian act I can imagine.

 

[cardaway]

I meant you read more into my response than I inteneded, I actually do understand you interpretation of what DisDuck said. I think the confusion arose from the fact that I chose not to address the first part of his post as I have have already posted my views on this sort of thing) and merely chose to address the possible confusion over terminology (Ie why the terms unchurched and unsynagogued are not really comparable).

Not confusion, disagreememt. Disagreement over the use of the term. I think he knew full well what it means and was asking why it was being used.

Of course we'll not know for sure until DisDuck comes back.

 

[hokiefan33]

Does this mean you are going to stop doing it starting now. Or it will be one fo those it starts right now situations... wait, now... no, now...

Oh I didn't say I'd stop doing it, just that it's funny to watch. There are so many people on these boards who are absolutely diametrically opposed to religion of any kind, or people's opinions that there is only one way to Heaven, that it just becomes comical to watch. To me, it's actually quite sad, based upon my beliefs and the eventual outcomes that I believe will happen to people groups based upon the way they believe, but just to read what some people write sure is funny!

 

[WDWHound]

Not confusion, disagreememt. Disagreement over the use of the term. I think he knew full well what it means and was asking why it was being used.

Of course we'll not know for sure until DisDuck comes back.

Ah, I see. Hopefully Mr Duck will return and let us know.

 

[cardaway]

Sigh. reread what I have posted again. You really are pulling much more out of it than I said.

Jenny, I am sorry that was done to you. It is them most unChristian act I can imagine.

I directed that repsonse to the chaplain in Jenny's story.

 

[cardaway]

To me, it's actually quite sad, based upon my beliefs and the eventual outcomes that I believe will happen to people groups based upon the way they believe, but just to read what some people write sure is funny!

Sorry you are so sad. See you in heaven.

 

[JennyMominRI]

Sigh. reread what I have posted again. You really are pulling much more out of it than I said.

Jenny, I am sorry that was done to you. It is them most unChristian act I can imagine.

I need to make it clear this was one experience with one chaplain..Being in the situation I'm in I've dealt with many of them. When you get hospitalized for a day or more,they come to see you..When I was told my HIV status a wonderful chaplain was there to help..I've dealth with mostly Christian chaplains,and one Jewish Chaplain.. None but this man were ever pushy.. It is there job to provide comfort to people, no matter the religion..A Jewish will deal with people of all faiths and is expected to not Prostletize..THat's just the way it is. Now If someone asks for info it's different ,but they really aren't supposed to be trying to convert. That may be their job in the church,but not in the military

 

[hokiefan33]

Sorry you are so sad. See you in heaven.

I know I'm going, and I hope and pray that you will be there, as well.

 

[cardaway]

I know I'm going, and I hope and pray that you will be there, as well.

I know as strongly as you do (depsite your many attempts over time to say otherwise) and we'll we'll see everybody on this board there. No need to bring out the old and rude, "I'll pray for you" line.

 

[hokiefan33]

I know as strongly as you do (depsite your many attempts over time to say otherwise) and we'll we'll see everybody on this board there. No need to bring out the old and rude, "I'll pray for you" line.

3 questions for you - let's see if you answer them, or sidestep them:

1) What is your religious affiliation (Christian, Atheist, Agnostic, Muslim, etc...)?

2) How do you know you're going to Heaven? What is your basis for believing that?

3) "We'll see everybody on this board there." Do you believe EVERYONE will go to Heaven, and if so, why?

Just curious... but we'll see if you actually answer or evade.

 

[alabamaalan]

Important enough questions, but not what the topic of this thread was for.

Such personal beliefs are subjective and should be best discussed privately instead of as a challenge.

Have a good weekend, everyone.

 

[hokiefan33]

Important enough questions, but not what the topic of this thread was for.

Such personal beliefs are subjective and should be best discussed privately instead of as a challenge.

Have a good weekend, everyone.

I would say that ALL personal beliefs are, in fact, subjective.

Cardaway is free to share if he wishes, and free not to if he chooses. Nobody can make him do anything. I simply wanted to know his basis for the statement he gave.

 

[cardaway]

Just curious... but we'll see if you actually answer or evade.

Nice setup you created there, I either play your game or you can come back and say I'm evading you. I've seen what you do with the answers, in some cases basically telling fellow Christians they are not worthy.

I'm sorry you can't handle that I believe storngly in the same higher power you do, but refuse to follow the book you have chosen. But it's the truth, and I'm not the only one who think this way.

And yes, I believe every soul has the same possible destination regardless of religious affiliation. But no, I'm not going to play the "your source is not worthy" game you are trying to setup.

 

[cardaway]

Such personal beliefs are subjective and should be best discussed privately instead of as a challenge.

Looks like we can agree on something.

 

[hokiefan33]

Nice setup you created there, I either play your game or you can come back and say I'm evading you. I've seen what you do with the answers, in some cases basically telling fellow Christians they are not worthy.

I'm sorry you can't handle that I believe storngly in the same higher power you do, but refuse to follow the book you have chosen. But it's the truth, and I'm not the only one who think this way.

And yes, I believe every soul has the same possible destination regardless of religious affiliation. But no, I'm not going to play the "your source is not worthy" game you are trying to setup.

That's what I figured.

Would you possibly explain how you say you "believe strongly in the same higher power" I do (though you refuse to say EXACTLY what or who you believe in), while saying you "refuse to follow the book" I do, which the "higher power" you reference inspired? How is that even possible? I don't doubt you're not the only one who thinks that way, just don't understand how it's possible to believe in the author, but not the book he inspired.

And you sidestep a little bit by saying the same "possible" destination, which is different than the absolute you stated earlier, that "all" people on this board "will" go to the same place. Is that now just a possibility, or a certainty?

Amazing how it's OK if you evade questions, but anytime a self-professing Christian evades questions, it's b/c we have no answers to back them up with. How does that work?

 

[JennyMominRI]

That's what I figured.

Would you possibly explain how you say you "believe strongly in the same higher power" I do (though you refuse to say EXACTLY what or who you believe in), while saying you "refuse to follow the book" I do, which the "higher power" you reference inspired? How is that even possible? I don't doubt you're not the only one who thinks that way, just don't understand how it's possible to believe in the author, but not the book he inspired.

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I could as the same question from a Jewish perspective couldn't I? You believe in the same G-d I do.. Why Aren't you a follower of the Torah?
Muslims believe in the same G-d you do,I'm sure they could ask you why you don't follow the Quoran.
Not being a smart ***.... Just showing another perspective. That others can believe they follow the same G-d ,but don;t follow your book or beliefs..
FTR,I too believe all people have the possibility of reward in the world to come,regardless of their religious beliefs

 

[cardaway]

That's what I figured.

Since you did exaclty what I said you would I'm glad I didn't give you more to ridicule.

 

[sodaseller]

Amazing how it's OK if you evade questions, but anytime a self-professing Christian evades questions, it's b/c we have no answers to back them up with. How does that work?

He passed through towns and villages, teaching as he went and making his way to Jerusalem.

Someone asked him, "Lord, will only a few people be saved?" He answered them,

"Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I tell you, will attempt to enter but will not be strong enough.

After the master of the house has arisen and locked the door, then will you stand outside knocking and saying, 'Lord, open the door for us.' He will say to you in reply, 'I do not know where you are from.'

And you will say, 'We ate and drank in your company and you taught in our streets.'

Then he will say to you, 'I do not know where (you) are from. Depart from me, all you evildoers!'

 

[cardaway]

How about we get the thread back on topic and not let it turn into another round of hokie telling other "self-professed" Christians how unworthy they are.

Nobody has said ALL chaplains are bad, but just like many other situations in our country, things must be changed because of the few.

Like I posted earlier, not all bosses would go too far, but are the same people arguing sexual harassment laws are not necessary?

 

[hokiefan33]

I could as the same question from a Jewish perspective couldn't I? You believe in the same G-d I do.. Why Aren't you a follower of the Torah?
Muslims believe in the same G-d you do,I'm sure they could ask you why you don't follow the Quoran.
Not being a smart ***.... Just showing another perspective. That others can believe they follow the same G-d ,but don;t follow your book or beliefs..
FTR,I too believe all people have the possibility of reward in the world to come,regardless of their religious beliefs

Feel free to ask. But here's what I think - I don't think that I do believe in the same God that Jews or Muslims do. Here's why...

The God I believe in is a triune God, part of the Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Spirit). The God I believe in sent his Son, Jesus (also fully God, according to belief of the Trinity) to die for our sins, thus making him our Savior, or Messiah, that was promised throughout the OT of the Bible. There is no other Messiah, Savior or person I am waiting on, and there is also no other way that I believe you can be saved, according to my belief in God. So given that belief in God, anyone who does not hold those same beliefs about their God, by definition doesn't believe in the same God I do.

Do Jews hold that Jesus is God's Son, the promised Savior/Messiah who came to die for us, and that He and only He is the way we get to Heaven? The way I understand Judaism (of course, correct me if I'm wrong), they don't, which to me means that we don't believe in the same God, b/c we don't hold the same beliefs ABOUT the God we believe in.

To me, the same holds true for Muslims. They do believe that Jesus was a person, in fact an important prophet, but they don't believe in a triune God (you can find that on any Muslim-related website) and they don't believe that Jesus is the way to Heaven. So by definition, since their beliefs ABOUT their god are different than my beliefs about God, it is not the same God. It can't be.