Adhd

Kellykins1218 said:
My son did amazing on Vyvanse. I've never known anyone that became violent on it & I deal with ADHD kids all the time:confused3
It's amazing how one med works well with one person and not another. I know 5 kids that got violent on it. Sometimes you.have to work through the meds to find the right dose and med
 
It's very offensive to hear that food "causes" ADHD. No, different brain wiring causes it. My son was diagnosed within minutes of his birth with "something" being off. We are on a whole foods, GFCF soy free, preservative free, dye free, you name it diet. (We tried Feingold, it did nothing.) He takes meds and I am not going to apologize for it.

We do limit screentime, though, because we find that even minimal exposure makes his symptoms worse.
 
Don't have anything to offer other than lots of good advice in here. DH & I are in the process of having our 16 foster son tested now. He has been with us since last fall and there is most definitely something going on. I have ADHD and medicine was the only thing that worked for me. I have been off of it for a while now (while we were trying to start a family) and honestly it drives me and my husband crazy. Once I went off my meds, I started having severe panic attacks. We didn't put it all together until recently but I think being on the meds enabled me to block out some of the input I was getting that led to the anxiety. It's a battle everyday for sure.

DS had his initial evaluation done by his family Dr this past month but because of his history of abuse and neglect, she wants a more in depth multifactorial evaluation done by a Psychologist. There are just too many issues going on and we don't want to prematurely label him when it might be something else at play. I am hoping that having a stable home will make a difference but as horrible as it sounds, some days DH & I wonder if it isn't too late seeing that he didn't come to us until he was 16. We leave in 2 days for WDW and I was starting to get really anxious but I think all the suggestions in this thread have been great and have definitely eased my mind some! I am going to try really hard to keep to a good schedule, keep him fed and keep him occupied.
 
I have ADD and our three boys have ADHD (currently ages 12, 10, 4). It's always a party at our house. LOL We go to WDW every other year (but are going this year after going last year... I just can't wait that long!).

-I couldn't possibly disagree with trying to keep things as close to the home routine as possible :) ... but at the same time, manage your expectations at actually being able to implement any more than a few components of your home routine. Every single thing is different. To that end, flexibility and preparation are the biggest keys to limiting the pitfalls.

-I completely agree with bringing the "can't live without" objects from home. We give each kid a backpack and they can fill it with whatever they want (except loose legos-imagine that on a plane). Special stuffed animals and favorite books ALWAYS come with us. If there is something you know he depends on for any kind of comfort, if it's at all possible, bring it. It's not even worth considering what it would be like without them.

-I also agree with allowing access to whatever handheld electronics they're interested in, much more liberally than you would at home. Standing in lines, waiting in a queue, waiting for food to be served... yes-any time except when walking! At 13 he's probably not likely to be entertained by coloring or small toys... so do what works. Bring earbuds for him too. If it enables him to remain calm and endure the intolerable boringness of standing in line or waiting, without disturbing others AND without a meltdown, DO IT! :) Anyone who criticizes, doesn't get it. Ignore them.

-As another way to get us through the lines, I got the Hidden Mickey book. (If you're not familiar, the Disney Imagineers have placed the Mickey head silhouette within the architecture, artwork and design of the parks, restaurants and resorts, in less-than-obvious places.) We bring the book with us everywhere and have a lot of fun trying to find the Hidden Mickeys that are in the ride queues and read up on the Mickeys hidden in the ride we're about to get on. The author has built a game into the search, with points awarded for each Mickey-making it a competition might be fun and keep him engaged and occupied. You can even challenge him to use his phone/device to make it like a photo scavenger hunt for hidden mickeys. There is another book, for other "Hidden" Treasures in the architecture and scenery, but I found it harder with my kids at their younger ages. Depending on your DS's interests, this might be good for him. I got both books at Barnes & Noble.

-Again, hard to argue with the value of a touring plan that minimizes wait times. At the same time, however, the ADHD kid can be rigid, especially when they get an idea in their head. At 13, you might be able to head off any issues by having him participate in making the plan-if he's choosing what to ride when (using the right information for wait times etc.), he's more likely to be able to stick with it.

But, we never know, do we! To that end, be prepared to skip a ride he says he doesn't want to go on (no matter how much you know he will love it), and to ride the same rides multiple times if he wishes. (can't tell you how many times we ride the People Mover!!! But haven't been on Tower of Terror since 2007) You can offer the alternative, give a reason why you think it's a good idea and/or possible consequences (such as, we won't have time to ride X ride if we ride this again), but if he still protests, consider going with the flow. Ultimately, you might miss a few rides you really wanted to go on, but you won't regret knowing that he had the best time possible because he got to make choices and really enjoyed what he did. That's what you'll remember most.

Regarding Meds... I am on Vyvanse, it's my best friend. LOL We tried DS2 on it (he was the first of all of us to be diagnosed, at age 7), and the violent outbursts were shocking and disturbing. Concerta hit the mark for him, as well as for DS1.

DS2 continued to have a few scattered outbursts (though nothing quite so violent) after starting Concerta. He struggled with appetite and sleeplessness as well. We added the low dose of non-stimulant Intuniv to his Concerta and it helped tremendously. It does not help his hyperactivity or focus once the Concerta wears off, but the outbursts have been gone for a long time, and sleep is MUCH better (without it, he's up until 3am!).

The hit-or-miss process can be unnerving, but it's not abnormal for the first medication(s) and/or dose to not be the right fit. Keep trying until you find what works.
 

some days DH & I wonder if it isn't too late seeing that he didn't come to us until he was 16.
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Huge, huge hugs to you! It's NEVER too late! What an amazing, selfless, wonderful thing you are doing for your boy. Having gotten to age 16 without anyone else putting in the time and effort to sort through and define his struggles, it seems that you're the first people in his life to truly care. What a gift. No matter how difficult his behavior gets, do not forget how much you are changing his life, just by being there and seeing him through. You are truly a hero.

On a slightly different note, I can totally corroborate that I am far more anxious without medication. I've never suffered from true symptomatic anxiety, but there's no doubt that I worry and stress a lot more. The ADHD brain is so overworked and overstressed trying to compensate for the executive function deficits and daily social and practical challenges every single day, it's no wonder that medication not only enables us to accomplish tasks, it also releases the rest of the brain from overcompensating for the deficiencies. Which reduces our stress, helps us cope, improves our mood and make us happier (for a bunch of brain-chemical reasons :) ). Once experiencing the difference medication can make, the rebound is that much worse. If it's not the right time to go back on medication, maybe you can try some of the alternative treatments such as bumping up on Omega3s. Not nearly as effective as medication, but could help take some of the edge off.

Also, not to get too personal :blush: but I find I am a wreck when my hormones are off. I fell into the discovery (through a very long story) that estrogen can literally turn me around. If I'm having a tough time (even with medication) I reach for the soy milk-I'll have it with my cereal for a few days, and that's enough to even me out emotionally. (Soy has tons of natural estrogen.) I don't know if that's something that fits into your overall health picture, but it made such a tremendous difference for me (getting out of depression) that I try to share it as an option when I can.
 
DD5 was diagnosed at 3 with DBD and ODD and then just a couple months ago through a neuro to also have PTSD and ADHD, to say the least life is difficult and we go to WDW every year and each trip is a challenge. I'm a single parent, but my kids and I love Disney and so even though it's frustrating, we do it anyway. For DD5 she spends a lot of time in her stroller "calming down" while DD10 goes on rides. We also spend a lot of time at the resort. We go for 2 weeks which really helps because if we only hit the parks for a few hours then with 2 weeks we usually get all or most of what we wanted done.
 
It is so nice that you say this. We have always told him his ADHD is never an excuse. That every day he has to work on his self control. He also needs to learn how to function with every one else not the other way around. Sounds like you are doing a great job mommy!

Thank you. Exactly that's what I told him. I am not catering to it since the world won't ever simply just cause of him. Even in school he was in self contained it took me 2 yrs to fight for him to be in general ed. They kept telling me well don't you want him to succeed in a smaller group. Umm nope cause the real world won't cater to his needs. He needs to learn how to handle it. Thank you.
 
It's very offensive to hear that food "causes" ADHD. No, different brain wiring causes it. My son was diagnosed within minutes of his birth with "something" being off. We are on a whole foods, GFCF soy free, preservative free, dye free, you name it diet. (We tried Feingold, it did nothing.) He takes meds and I am not going to apologize for it.

We do limit screentime, though, because we find that even minimal exposure makes his symptoms worse.

Oh I know. A lot of people who don't know much about ADHD always sums it as food or parenting. At least you tried limiting the food. I am starting to limit the food. I know about the screen. I limit that as well. Summer is easier cause I always take him to the park or we always do something on the weekend.
 
Don't have anything to offer other than lots of good advice in here. DH & I are in the process of having our 16 foster son tested now. He has been with us since last fall and there is most definitely something going on. I have ADHD and medicine was the only thing that worked for me. I have been off of it for a while now (while we were trying to start a family) and honestly it drives me and my husband crazy. Once I went off my meds, I started having severe panic attacks. We didn't put it all together until recently but I think being on the meds enabled me to block out some of the input I was getting that led to the anxiety. It's a battle everyday for sure.

DS had his initial evaluation done by his family Dr this past month but because of his history of abuse and neglect, she wants a more in depth multifactorial evaluation done by a Psychologist. There are just too many issues going on and we don't want to prematurely label him when it might be something else at play. I am hoping that having a stable home will make a difference but as horrible as it sounds, some days DH & I wonder if it isn't too late seeing that he didn't come to us until he was 16. We leave in 2 days for WDW and I was starting to get really anxious but I think all the suggestions in this thread have been great and have definitely eased my mind some! I am going to try really hard to keep to a good schedule, keep him fed and keep him occupied.

I'm sorry that happened to you. Yeah I see a huge difference when my son takes his meds. It's like a total different boy. When he don't take it he get impulses and does things without thinking.

I'm sure your son will be fine. At least you are doing all the evaluation he needs. Stay strong and best of luck. XOXO
 
I have ADD and our three boys have ADHD (currently ages 12, 10, 4). It's always a party at our house. LOL We go to WDW every other year (but are going this year after going last year... I just can't wait that long!).

-I couldn't possibly disagree with trying to keep things as close to the home routine as possible :) ... but at the same time, manage your expectations at actually being able to implement any more than a few components of your home routine. Every single thing is different. To that end, flexibility and preparation are the biggest keys to limiting the pitfalls.

-I completely agree with bringing the "can't live without" objects from home. We give each kid a backpack and they can fill it with whatever they want (except loose legos-imagine that on a plane). Special stuffed animals and favorite books ALWAYS come with us. If there is something you know he depends on for any kind of comfort, if it's at all possible, bring it. It's not even worth considering what it would be like without them.

-I also agree with allowing access to whatever handheld electronics they're interested in, much more liberally than you would at home. Standing in lines, waiting in a queue, waiting for food to be served... yes-any time except when walking! At 13 he's probably not likely to be entertained by coloring or small toys... so do what works. Bring earbuds for him too. If it enables him to remain calm and endure the intolerable boringness of standing in line or waiting, without disturbing others AND without a meltdown, DO IT! :) Anyone who criticizes, doesn't get it. Ignore them.

-As another way to get us through the lines, I got the Hidden Mickey book. (If you're not familiar, the Disney Imagineers have placed the Mickey head silhouette within the architecture, artwork and design of the parks, restaurants and resorts, in less-than-obvious places.) We bring the book with us everywhere and have a lot of fun trying to find the Hidden Mickeys that are in the ride queues and read up on the Mickeys hidden in the ride we're about to get on. The author has built a game into the search, with points awarded for each Mickey-making it a competition might be fun and keep him engaged and occupied. You can even challenge him to use his phone/device to make it like a photo scavenger hunt for hidden mickeys. There is another book, for other "Hidden" Treasures in the architecture and scenery, but I found it harder with my kids at their younger ages. Depending on your DS's interests, this might be good for him. I got both books at Barnes & Noble.

-Again, hard to argue with the value of a touring plan that minimizes wait times. At the same time, however, the ADHD kid can be rigid, especially when they get an idea in their head. At 13, you might be able to head off any issues by having him participate in making the plan-if he's choosing what to ride when (using the right information for wait times etc.), he's more likely to be able to stick with it.

But, we never know, do we! To that end, be prepared to skip a ride he says he doesn't want to go on (no matter how much you know he will love it), and to ride the same rides multiple times if he wishes. (can't tell you how many times we ride the People Mover!!! But haven't been on Tower of Terror since 2007) You can offer the alternative, give a reason why you think it's a good idea and/or possible consequences (such as, we won't have time to ride X ride if we ride this again), but if he still protests, consider going with the flow. Ultimately, you might miss a few rides you really wanted to go on, but you won't regret knowing that he had the best time possible because he got to make choices and really enjoyed what he did. That's what you'll remember most.

Regarding Meds... I am on Vyvanse, it's my best friend. LOL We tried DS2 on it (he was the first of all of us to be diagnosed, at age 7), and the violent outbursts were shocking and disturbing. Concerta hit the mark for him, as well as for DS1.

DS2 continued to have a few scattered outbursts (though nothing quite so violent) after starting Concerta. He struggled with appetite and sleeplessness as well. We added the low dose of non-stimulant Intuniv to his Concerta and it helped tremendously. It does not help his hyperactivity or focus once the Concerta wears off, but the outbursts have been gone for a long time, and sleep is MUCH better (without it, he's up until 3am!).

The hit-or-miss process can be unnerving, but it's not abnormal for the first medication(s) and/or dose to not be the right fit. Keep trying until you find what works.

Thank you for the advice. I am def getting the hidden mickey. Where do you get the book. DS1 is on Ritalin 5mg. He did a mini trial for Concerta for 3 days and went went haywire. He looked like a total zombie.
 
DD5 was diagnosed at 3 with DBD and ODD and then just a couple months ago through a neuro to also have PTSD and ADHD, to say the least life is difficult and we go to WDW every year and each trip is a challenge. I'm a single parent, but my kids and I love Disney and so even though it's frustrating, we do it anyway. For DD5 she spends a lot of time in her stroller "calming down" while DD10 goes on rides. We also spend a lot of time at the resort. We go for 2 weeks which really helps because if we only hit the parks for a few hours then with 2 weeks we usually get all or most of what we wanted done.

Yeah we first went to WDW when DS1 was 5 and it was OK at first but I think it was overwhelming running from place to another. We went for 6 days and this time we are going for 10 days. We are def doing things in the resort to make him at ease and not be too over stimulating
 
My daughter is ADHD and ASD. She gets easily overwhelmed and I usually let her ad my son dictate where we go and when we take a break. Sometimes we have to leave the park altogether but I let my kids know we can come back another time and ride. I've never taken her while medicated because we don't medicate when she's not at school or needing to focus. But basically watch him for his triggers and take him somewhere quiet, cool, darker, even indoors.
 
I purchased my Hidden Mickey books at Barnes and Noble, but you can see it here to get an idea of what you're looking for (this is a pretty good price, too!)

http://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Mickeys-Disney-World®s-Secrets/dp/1937011291

Sorry the first experience with Concerta was bad-so frustrating. Hope the Ritalin is more effective without such negatives. If not, look into Focalin-it's the same as Concerta but with one or two tweaks to the molecule that are supposed to reduce side effects.
 
Don't have anything to offer other than lots of good advice in here. DH & I are in the process of having our 16 foster son tested now. He has been with us since last fall and there is most definitely something going on. I have ADHD and medicine was the only thing that worked for me.

Totally off topic and probably too late, but just be sure the person doing the evaluation is experienced treating children who have experienced trauma/neglect. Experts label and treat what they know and don't always realize the zebra they are treating isn't a horse. Hyper vigilance and attachment disorders can look like ADHD, but ADHD treatments (especially meds) can make things even worse while not addressing the symptoms.
 
Our oldest is 11 and has Tourette Syndrome, ADHD, and OCD. He wasn't medicated for the longest time. Stimulants will increase his tics and we didn't want that. When his impulsiveness outweighed our worry about his increase in ticing we decided to put him on concerta. It has worked wonders.
As to what we do on vacation;
1:We make sure he gets enough rest, he is a mess if he hasn't had enough and makes the rest of us miserable!
2: He still takes his meds.
3: We let him and his brother make decisions about where and what they want to do and watch for over stimulation. Deciding when to call it quits if he has had enough.
4: Try to keep a similar diet/schedule to home. Keeping this the same for him helps him not be moody.
5: We don't do electronics in line instead we look for hidden mickeys or try to plan out what to do next.

Good luck, I'm sure you'll have a great trip!
 
In addition to the hidden Mickey-spotting someone else suggested, you might want to do the Agent P game at World Showcase. It keeps kids (and my severely-ADHD partner) moving around the countries and engaged. Honestly the biggest problem we have is him wandering off because he sees something interesting, so make sure you and your family have plans for what to do if you become separated - a meeting place, find a CM, stay in place with a cell phone, whatever works best for you guys. Honestly though someone with ADHD can do really great at the World because there's so much activity...just be sure to build in some downtime. It's invaluable.
(And if he has a DS or phone or something he can use to occupy himself in long lines, let him use it. It'll make your lives much easier without letting him feel catered-to - instead it's teaching him to entertain himself with what he has on-hand.)
 
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Huge, huge hugs to you! It's NEVER too late! What an amazing, selfless, wonderful thing you are doing for your boy. Having gotten to age 16 without anyone else putting in the time and effort to sort through and define his struggles, it seems that you're the first people in his life to truly care. What a gift. No matter how difficult his behavior gets, do not forget how much you are changing his life, just by being there and seeing him through. You are truly a hero.

On a slightly different note, I can totally corroborate that I am far more anxious without medication. I've never suffered from true symptomatic anxiety, but there's no doubt that I worry and stress a lot more. The ADHD brain is so overworked and overstressed trying to compensate for the executive function deficits and daily social and practical challenges every single day, it's no wonder that medication not only enables us to accomplish tasks, it also releases the rest of the brain from overcompensating for the deficiencies. Which reduces our stress, helps us cope, improves our mood and make us happier (for a bunch of brain-chemical reasons :) ). Once experiencing the difference medication can make, the rebound is that much worse. If it's not the right time to go back on medication, maybe you can try some of the alternative treatments such as bumping up on Omega3s. Not nearly as effective as medication, but could help take some of the edge off.

Also, not to get too personal :blush: but I find I am a wreck when my hormones are off. I fell into the discovery (through a very long story) that estrogen can literally turn me around. If I'm having a tough time (even with medication) I reach for the soy milk-I'll have it with my cereal for a few days, and that's enough to even me out emotionally. (Soy has tons of natural estrogen.) I don't know if that's something that fits into your overall health picture, but it made such a tremendous difference for me (getting out of depression) that I try to share it as an option when I can.

Thanks...we are hanging in there. We won't give up on him for sure; some days are just much more difficult than others! Our trip went really well for the most part. Our son seemed to have fun (he is 16 and barely talks but we did get some smiles, lol) but after 3 days of parks, he wanted to stay and sleep and skip Epcot. We just let him sleep and relax in the room. The most fun we saw him have was just walking around the Boardwalk and him watching the street performers. It was nice to see him lighten up a little.

About the hormones...I also have PCOS which can wreak havoc on hormones and cause anxiety so I get a double whammy. My dr told me to stay away from soy bc of the estrogen so I try to avoid it. I know when I am eating super clean and low carb my anxiety plummets. It is just so dang hard to stick to it being as busy as we are with both kids and their endless appointments, visits, caseworkers, paperwork, etc.
 
alicia080979, it is so great what you are doing for your DS. From personal experience, I know it is never too late for an evaluation and diagnosis for ADHD. My oldest DD was diagnosed with ADHD and ODD almost a year ago and while it hasn't been a cakewalk, things are much improved from this time last July. As we walked through the process of understanding the disorder, DH began to notice similar symptoms in himself and remembered similar behaviors from his own childhood. He decided to talk to a professional and just a few months ago was diagnosed with Adult ADHD. He's in his 40's. Since going on medication, everything has improved: his work performance, his relationships with friends and family, even his enjoyment of life. Treatment with medication has been a very positive experience for us. Good luck to you and your DS - I'll keep a good thought for you. :)
 
Been in this same spot.

If your kiddo's meds are stimulants and you relax the dose a bit through summer, talk to the dr about going back to the in-school dose for your trip. Maybe even look into the extra long acting versions (vivansse is 12 hr adderal XR, and there is a 12 hr version of concerta/ritalin). It keeps that afternoon crash at bay and is generally a smoother ride.
 
















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