add on vs. second home????

Tom and Jen

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I am absolutely perplexed!:confused:

i do not know what to do?!!

I am faced with the fact that I simply think to much! :crazy:

Can I get some feed back from this group. Should we look to add on 150 to our current ownship or look into purchasing a vacation home in the outskirts of the world?

i have been doing some serious research into properties, taxes, insurance.......ect...... and really am not sure which way to go.

I know our decision but man, I need some voices than the 3 or 4 rattling around my head.......

thanks, tom
 
Just my opinion, but wouldn't a vacation home be very expensive for things like upkeep? You would likely have to hire a management company to look after the property for the times you are not there. Would you rent the house when you are not using it?

I would not buy the house, as then I would not be staying in my beloved VWL!

Good luck....:cool:
 
We just wondered about this last week (before we did our add on). We decided the upkeep and hassle of a vacation home in FL or somewhere near the coast was just too much to take on, so we did the add on instead.
 
you are correct, I would need to account for the maintanence.

I have looked in to the renting aspect of it, ranges from $600 to $1000 for a week. I would hope that that would defray mortgage as well as the agency fee to list and maintain the property. it is usually a % of the rental fee.

This I would hope balance the money I would be spending over and above an add on.

thanks
 

Oh MY! I don't even want to worry about the up keep of one house, let alone two! When our kids are grown and we don't need a big house, I want to move to a two bedroom condo.

So I guess my vote is to add on :D .
DJ
 
Originally posted by Tom and Jen
you are correct, I would need to account for the maintanence.

I have looked in to the renting aspect of it, ranges from $600 to $1000 for a week. I would hope that that would defray mortgage as well as the agency fee to list and maintain the property. it is usually a % of the rental fee.

This I would hope balance the money I would be spending over and above an add on.

thanks
What occupancy rate would you plan on? Are there requirements to register this as a rental property? Extra insurance for rental? I would think there would be more maintenance than a regular home, as kids can really put some wear and tear on a place. What happens when you get six college guys wanting to rent? That can be serious damage.

The thought makes my head spin.

Personally, I would really miss staying at the DVC resorts....:cool:
 
i figure that with anywhere form 15 to 20 weeks of the year being occupied, it will cover any of the expenses I would incure.

As far as college students partying, well I guess that could happen. i know that security deposits cover something but not all.

A lot of the properties have rental language in them already, insurance is not to far off, and.........it's all tax deductable, except for the 1/52 of the year you may occupy.
 
My dh and I once owned 2 homes. It wasn't a vacation villa -- just a nice 4 br 3 bath home. We rented it, thinking we would make a bit of dough. Aye yi yi. First of all, never ever ever underestimate the fact that one family's definition of "normal wear and tear" can differ VASTLY from another's! Our "deposit fee" didn't do much to cover a big Clorox stain in the middle of our formerly nice den carpet (they were trying to get out a stain, they said... left a bleach spot the size of a dinner plate, dead center of a 20 X 25 room. Good grief.) That's tip of the iceberg. THen there's the calls you get when things aren't right. And then there's the unexpected expenses -- like garage door won't shut right (never mind the fact that their kid tried repeatedly to shut it with is bike wedged under it, trying to "trick" the safety mechanism) or water heater died or dishwasher sprung a leak or A/C isn't cold enough or heat isn't hot enough... AUGGHHHH!!!!! And then whenever bad weather strikes, you have Mother Nature and her damage to worry about, too! It never ends, payback is VERY low, and when you visit, instead of feeling like it's a vacation -- you feel compelled to work on fixing the place. Ughhhh.

Suddenly, that $4.12 per pt at our BWV home sounds mighty nice.

We sold that other house and said never again! The renting scene is not for us! Just got an add-on and happy to leave the upkeep to someone else! :)

Cindy
 
If you would be happy staying in a nice offsite home for some of your Orlando area vacation time, why not rent that?

There are a ton of nice offsite developments with pool homes, condos, timeshares, etc. Renting monthly is often cheaper than by the week. There are much easier, much cheaper ways to stay in the area offsite than buying a vacation home (and all the responsibility that goes with it!).

One example is to purchase cheap resale timeshares that may be traded into the area a year or more in advance. Those can be found for purchase of $1,000 per week, with annual costs of under $400/week. Visit TUG - Timeshare Users Group and read up on this. Orlando offsite is an easy trade, even with the cheapest of weeks.

There's a man on TUG named Ray who has spent at least 6 months per year in Florida, since he's been retired. He does it all with timeshare trading and bonus week rentals... at a lower cost than owning or renting. He gets units with a full kitchen, separate BR(s), washer/dryer. Never has to do any maintenance or cleaning!

If you love staying onsite and can afford it, get the extra points you want. If you would be happy mixing the two, consider renting offsite, and stay onsite when your existing points allow. :)
 
I've done both ( DVC owner and had a 3bed home with a pool that I rented out). The difference is, IMHO , your commitment to eventually wanting to live in Florida, or semiretire/snowbird to Fl. If you're not able/looking to spend at least 3 months of the year in Fl, then you're going to be better off financially either renting a home ( you can rent direct from owners from $500 per week) or increasing your timeshare ownership ( either DVC or a cheaper off site option). In my experience management charges are higher than you are expecting and you would need to rent your home out for about 30-34 weeks a year to cover all costs Obviously the number of weeks you need do depend on the cost of the house, but as a general rule of thumb most "vacation villas" are minimum 3 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms with a private pool. You'll be looking at a cost in the region of $120,000 plus $10,000 to furnish it as a minimum. For a good development close to WDW it's $150k+ . Most rental companies will be able to provide you with 20-25 weeks a year rentals, but this is dependant on a strong market, that hasn't been the case for the last couple of years. You will need to get "private rentals yourself to make up the balance and this can be time consuming and frustrating.

Another factor to consider is the housing market, IMHO Fl is cheap and there is potential for a sharp increase in prices BUT there need a few things to fall into ( or in the case of California out of ) place.
1) Low interest rates will continue to make people look at their earnings from shares,bonds and other sources ( this is also true for timeshare) , if those earnings continue to remain low people will look at "alternate" investments like vacation property as a way of offsetting future vaca costs.
2) If Florida's government ever get serious about slowing the rate of development and the damage/demands being made on the ecosystem any restrictions they put in place for land use will drive up the price of available land, in turn pushing the price of new houses, in turn pushing the price of existing homes. The measures they have tried so far ( minimal amounts of taxes on new home sales) have had no effect what so ever on slowing development. There is still a lot of land in Florida, but IMHO if the people of Florida wish to maintain their areas of natural beauty they need to act pretty quick before they are too late. The water demands of the existing population are already causing problems, more people/houses is going to increase those problems dramatically.
3) A major earthquake in California ( see previous California comment) which is LONNNNG overdue is going to make people look at "safer" places to live. While Fl does have it's hurricane problems these are not as potentially serious in the Orlando area as they are on the coast. If there were to be a major rush of people looking to move to Fl due to a disaster in Ca, point 2 would become much more valid and the "double whammy" of a lot more people and restrictions on land use would really send land prices rising.
4) America ( like Europe) has high density of populations in the Northern colder areas, with relatively cheap land in the Southern warmer areas. Mostly that's because the well paid jobs are in the North. In the case of the USA it's NY, Boston, Chicago and many of the Canadian cities, in Europe it's London, Paris, Germany and Scandinavia. As those "babyboomers of the 60s" get closer to retirement age many of them are going to look at their relatively expensive "family homes" in the north and realise that A) they don't need a 4 bedroom high cost home as their own kids have moved out and B) COLD winters as you get old really aren't much fun. IMHO there are going to be A LOT of those babyboomers looking to sell up their big houses in and around the expensive cities up north and either move permananly to areas like Fl, Arizona and in the case of Europe Spain, Portugal and rural Italy or at least to have a smaller home/condo in their "home state/country" for the summer and to winter in the sunny south. I feel certain this North to South migration will occur, it just may take 10 years to build up steam.

IMHO you can make a pretty strong case for buying a home in Fl, but it is unlikely to be a zero cost item in the short term. In my own case I would estimate the cost was somewhere between $3-5,000 a year to run the place, but I did get 6-7 weeks "free use" of the place. As this was usually at "peak times" when the rental company could have got renters in the house if you are able to vacation at less busy times ( ie avoid easter, Xmas, July and august) you could probably cut that running cost to $1,000-2000 a year.

Here's a link to a report in the Orlando Sentinel, concerning population growth you may find interesting http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...may22,0,6866466.story?coll=orl-news-headlines
 
We compromised and bought a small condo 200 miles from home. We didn't want the upkeep and maintenance if it was our "get away" place nor did we want to rent it I like DVC for our real vacation and prefer it to owning a house. If I had to choose between the two I'd keep DVC.
 
I have both, DVC and a condo in Celebration. Celebration being a recent purchase. Can I just say as the housekeeper in our family, I would suggest buying more DVC points. The one thing I do not like about owning a condo and using that is I am always cleaning now when I arrive and then again when it's time to leave at the end of the week. I am responsible for making sure the towels are clean and there is toilet paper in the bathroom. All the things I am responsible for at home that I complain about nobody else wanting to do. It feels like a vacation for everyone but me.

Do we get our money's worth out of our real estate purchase, not at this time but we plan on retiring there in the near future and bought it before the real estate prices escalate even more. I also miss walking out of our unit and heading to a nice Disney restaurant. We are still debating what to keep and what to get rid of but are waiting until our college aged daughters to set themselves up in their careers and then maybe they'll use the DVC points which we bought when DVC first started so it seems ashame to sell them now that they are paid off. Good luck with your decision. Lynn
 
Wow, this input has been far more interesting than I had ever expected. Thank you all for your comments and thelinks to further info.

I have spoken with some coworkers that have made purchases, one in the Davenport area and others on the west coast, their intent is to spend considerable off time down there and they are much closer to retirement. I still have a ways to go, simply just trying to think ahead. I have heard form some of the west coasters that they would NEVER buy inland and that area because they claim it's sinking. :confused: I have heard this before but simply figured it was exageration. I am not sure where to go with that one.

I have not made any definate decision, so please keep your opinions coming if possible. Still have some time, also need to consider my home resort or another.

Vernon, that commentary was great.... thank you.

Tom
 
We have been crunching those numbers for a few years and are at the same exact road block.
 



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