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[Sandisw]

I think the big danger for RIV resale is--what happens if a hurricane knocks out the Skyliner for a year or so?

It will be a resort that accesses the parks via bus…like AkV, SSR, and OKW…while it certainly would be a disappointment, it’s not like one would now be stuck with no option to get to the parks…

 

[Chili327]

I'm writing this from Beach Club. There's a a chunk of space to expand over here without refurbing any hotel rooms into DVC studios.

They could slam a tower in right here!! lol



I'm having fun with screenshots today.

 

[Cfabar1]

I can't imagine a scenario where the skylines are knocked completely out of commission for a year but the parks, resorts and/or monorails all stay in tact...

It is possible though...

Even still, it is 1 year or 2 out of your 40 year contract... I cannot imagine Disney wouldn't rebuild the skyliner...

On another note, I am skeptical Disney will do ANYTHING to BW post 2042 other than renovate it in the normal phase of useful life... They're making hand over fist on that investment right now... Why do something different unless sales tell them they need to....

And, they can't even fill the existing retail space they have in that property, there's certainly no need to add more... I can hope they'd add in better pools, but I am not holding my breath....

 

[grumpy06]

What are you thinking of buying and what do you own now?

we own at SSR and are looking to add on there
Possibly 250 pt

 

[disneylandtour]

I can't imagine a scenario where the skylines are knocked completely out of commission for a year but the parks, resorts and/or monorails all stay in tact...

It is possible though...

Even still, it is 1 year or 2 out of your 40 year contract... I cannot imagine Disney wouldn't rebuild the skyliner...

On another note, I am skeptical Disney will do ANYTHING to BW post 2042 other than renovate it in the normal phase of useful life... They're making hand over fist on that investment right now... Why do something different unless sales tell them they need to....

And, they can't even fill the existing retail space they have in that property, there's certainly no need to add more... I can hope they'd add in better pools, but I am not holding my breath....

On the hotel side, Boardwalk and yacht/beach club are very close in price, but the stormalong pool area is significantly better than the offerings at boardwalk. This makes little sense to me.

 

[Chili327]

we own at SSR and are looking to add on there
Possibly 250 pt

Yea, if you're just adding on more SSR that should be resale, no question!! (unless new resorts are a big issue, beyond the amount of direct points you already have)

 

[Cfabar1]

On the hotel side, Boardwalk and yacht/beach club are very close in price, but the stormalong pool area is significantly better than the offerings at boardwalk. This makes little sense to me.

as long as people are willing to pay the prices, it makes perfect sense to Bob Iger and Mickey Mouse....

 

[havoc315]

Interesting for sure... Although i bet a lot happens before then, like turning Yacht Club (or a portion) into DVC before 2042, & maybe something new between Epcot & CFW.
New DVC w/ Golf Cart Path going right through the middle.
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I'm not sure they need to tear any of it down, but a major refresh/renovation for sure. You think complete demo & build a completely different structure?? I guess a tower makes financial sense & that's all they seem to care about now, so maybe, but if it ain't broke don't fix it. lol

1— anything new they build will also have resale restrictions.

2– yes, complete tear down. Remember, they can’t tear a building down while it’s under contract. Meaning, it’s their ONLY chance for 50 years. Think the quality of the Boardwalk construction was meant to stand for 100 years?

They need to be thinking about guests in the 2070’s to 2090’s. They will want more modern construction, able to serve more guests, thinking about the needs and wants of evolving future guests.

Not saying every 2042 DVC building will get a complete tear down at once. But I fully expect that for some of them, especially those that stay DVC. I also think this is part of the reason Disney is putting very little long term investment into the Boardwalk now. (Replace the clown slide with… stickers).

 

[disneylandtour]

1— anything new they build will also have resale restrictions.

2– yes, complete tear down. Remember, they can’t tear a building down while it’s under contract. Meaning, it’s their ONLY chance for 50 years. Think the quality of the Boardwalk construction was meant to stand for 100 years?

They need to be thinking about guests in the 2070’s to 2090’s. They will want more modern construction, able to serve more guests, thinking about the needs and wants of evolving future guests.

Not saying every 2042 DVC building will get a complete tear down at once. But I fully expect that for some of them, especially those that stay DVC. I also think this is part of the reason Disney is putting very little long term investment into the Boardwalk now. (Replace the clown slide with… stickers).

Boardwalk just got a refurb to all rooms.

 

[havoc315]

Boardwalk just got a refurb to all rooms.

Yes, they are contractually required to refurb the rooms. You think that refurb is meant to last another 50 years?
That’s just regularly scheduled refurb, not long term investment. Just enough to get them through until January 2042.

 

[Chili327]

Yea I get what you’re saying. If they create another 50 year contract, the building is stuck for another 50 years.
But many buildings are more than capable of lasting that long.

 

[disneylandtour]

They could slam a tower in right here!! lol

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I'm having fun with screenshots today.

I'm writing this from Beach Club--right about where that pink dot is-and this is exactly what I was looking at when I said there's clearly room to expand without taking hotel rooms from YC.

 

[jcolvin5]

we own at SSR and are looking to add on there
Possibly 250 pt

I bought 250 pts SSR for $95 back in March for SAPs. I don't believe much has changed pricewise. I imagine you can do better than what I did.

 

[intamin]

Yes, they are contractually required to refurb the rooms. You think that refurb is meant to last another 50 years?
That’s just regularly scheduled refurb, not long term investment. Just enough to get them through until January 2042.

I agree, I think Disney will at the very least take the opportunity to redo the resort for BWV and Beach Club. I love those resorts but I’d be surprised if they don’t jump at the opportunity to build a tower or do something to increase the capacity of those hotels and make some money because of how popular the Crescent Lake area is.

 

[havoc315]

I can't imagine a scenario where the skylines are knocked completely out of commission for a year but the parks, resorts and/or monorails all stay in tact...

It is possible though...

Even still, it is 1 year or 2 out of your 40 year contract... I cannot imagine Disney wouldn't rebuild the skyliner...

On another note, I am skeptical Disney will do ANYTHING to BW post 2042 other than renovate it in the normal phase of useful life... They're making hand over fist on that investment right now..

Yes.

. Why do something different unless sales tell them they need to....

See your earlier sentence. They don’t “need to” expand Magic Kingdom — except it is an investment in the future. They didn’t “need to” build the Poly tower — except it’s an investment that they expect to be profitable.

Boardwalk is prime real estate. They could sell more rooms in a nicer newer building at a much higher price.

As you said — they are willing to invest. Of course they will invest in some of their best real estate.

And, they can't even fill the existing retail space they have in that property, there's certainly no need to add more...

That’s exactly why they will tear the whole thing down and truly reimagine it.

Because the CURRENT model Isn’t cutting it.

Redevelopment would drive up that demand. It’s not like it’s a subpar location. A world class deluxe resort would drive up demand and profits.

I can hope they'd add in better pools, but I am not holding my breath....

 

[havoc315]

I agree, I think Disney will at the very least take the opportunity to redo the resort for BWV and Beach Club. I love those resorts but I’d be surprised if they don’t jump at the opportunity to build a tower or do something to increase the capacity of those hotels and make some money because of how popular the Crescent Lake area is.

Early 1990’s DVC was a very different model than the current.
In the 1990’s, they really didn’t want DVC to cannibalize regular hotel stays. DVC was more “deluxe on a budget.” The rooms were smaller than their true deluxe resorts, the locations were less desirable than the true deluxe resorts. In the 2000’s, this gradually changed. Most recently— with Riviera and Poly tower, you can say they are actually nicer than the regular deluxe hotels.

So let’s look at Beach Club Villas as an example. Studios are 356 sft, compared to the 381 of regular rooms. The Vilka building is off in a corner of the property without views of Crescent lake, while the regular hotel building has lake view rooms.

I suspect 2042 will see the chance to update properties to the newer model, world class WDW resorts, not a lower tier.

I doubt they will do every property at once.
You may see them use Boardwalk Villas as a hotel for a few years, while they launch into an immediate reimagining of BCV, for example.

But I don’t think they will just turn around and offer new 50 year contracts after just a coat of fresh paint.

 

[intamin]

I think the big danger for RIV resale is--what happens if a hurricane knocks out the Skyliner for a year or so?

Lol absolutely nothing. As was said before, it becomes bus transportation only temporarily. Gondola systems are very reliable when it comes to withstanding the elements so I highly doubt it would ever happen but I’d also imagine it would be much less than a year. When the Skyliner goes down, it’s not just Riviera that’s affected. You have Caribbean Beach, Pop Century, Art of Animation that all use it. It will be high priority for Disney to fix it. That doesn’t even include just regular park guests who hop from HS to Epcot and vice versa.

 

[intamin]

Early 1990’s DVC was a very different model than the current.
In the 1990’s, they really didn’t want DVC to cannibalize regular hotel stays. DVC was more “deluxe on a budget.” The rooms were smaller than their true deluxe resorts, the locations were less desirable than the true deluxe resorts. In the 2000’s, this gradually changed. Most recently— with Riviera and Poly tower, you can say they are actually nicer than the regular deluxe hotels.

So let’s look at Beach Club Villas as an example. Studios are 356 sft, compared to the 381 of regular rooms. The Vilka building is off in a corner of the property without views of Crescent lake, while the regular hotel building has lake view rooms.

I suspect 2042 will see the chance to update properties to the newer model, world class WDW resorts, not a lower tier.

I doubt they will do every property at once.
You may see them use Boardwalk Villas as a hotel for a few years, while they launch into an immediate reimagining of BCV, for example.

But I don’t think they will just turn around and offer new 50 year contracts after just a coat of fresh paint.

I don’t think so either. I think they’re going to either gut the resort and redo a lot of it or build something else (tower) entirely and loosely theme it to what it was previously. Boardwalk already has issues with pipes bursting and people saying the resort has a moldy smell. I’m not saying I want this to happen because I really do love how boutique those hotels are but I don’t see them being kept as how they are going into the future.

 

[DonkeyHoTay]

They could slam a tower in right here!! lol

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I'm having fun with screenshots today.

So let’s look at Beach Club Villas as an example. Studios are 356 sft, compared to the 381 of regular rooms. The Villa building is off in a corner of the property without views of Crescent lake, while the regular hotel building has lake view rooms.

As shown in the screenshot from @Chili327 - that area in red outline would be so perfect for a tower with TPVs of Epcot! There is probably room for a Stormalong Bay 2.0 as well in there, which could enhance some existing Villa building views. My crystal ball says this idea happens before 2042 expiration of BCV and that takes pressure off refurb/rebuild of existing Beach Club and/or Yacht Club around 2042. I would be all in on a fixed week during F&W in a TPV 1bdrm villa at Epcot!

To get back to OP's question - the possibility of new resorts (a new BCV tower please?) is why I added on with direct points. The savings on resale are significant, but my use case prioritizes new resort access ahead of O14 resorts, even with the lower cost pp on resale. But, every use case is different!

 

[Chili327]

I agree, I think Disney will at the very least take the opportunity to redo the resort for BWV and Beach Club. I love those resorts but I’d be surprised if they don’t jump at the opportunity to build a tower or do something to increase the capacity of those hotels and make some money because of how popular the Crescent Lake area is.

Early 1990’s DVC was a very different model than the current.
In the 1990’s, they really didn’t want DVC to cannibalize regular hotel stays. DVC was more “deluxe on a budget.” The rooms were smaller than their true deluxe resorts, the locations were less desirable than the true deluxe resorts. In the 2000’s, this gradually changed. Most recently— with Riviera and Poly tower, you can say they are actually nicer than the regular deluxe hotels.

So let’s look at Beach Club Villas as an example. Studios are 356 sft, compared to the 381 of regular rooms. The Vilka building is off in a corner of the property without views of Crescent lake, while the regular hotel building has lake view rooms.

I suspect 2042 will see the chance to update properties to the newer model, world class WDW resorts, not a lower tier.

I doubt they will do every property at once.
You may see them use Boardwalk Villas as a hotel for a few years, while they launch into an immediate reimagining of BCV, for example.

But I don’t think they will just turn around and offer new 50 year contracts after just a coat of fresh paint.

I don’t think so either. I think they’re going to either gut the resort and redo a lot of it or build something else (tower) entirely and loosely theme it to what it was previously. Boardwalk already has issues with pipes bursting and people saying the resort has a moldy smell. I’m not saying I want this to happen because I really do love how boutique those hotels are but I don’t see them being kept as how they are going into the future.

Just wanted to add, I’m not a fan of putting a tower in, I think it kills the vibe, but it is what Disney does now, looks better on paper.