Absolutely unacceptable

[Kona65]

I swear, if Disney started shoving killer bees down guests' shorts, some here would tell those that complained to shutup, wait for them to build a hive and enjoy the honey.

So very true.... Could not have said it any better. Some people on this site, live and die Disney. A life would be nice.

 

[Bob NC]

I don't think I've ever said this before on the DIS - and I know if I have, someone will be sure to dig it up and prove me wrong - but, get a grip, okay?

Seriously? On THIS thread you are telling someone else to "get a grip"?

Everyone under the sun knows your opinion, but, you feel the need to repeat, repeat, repeat.

Honestly, when your neighbor says something you don't agree with do you go over and knock on her door every.ten.minutes. to berate her again?

 

[luvgoing2disney]

Man! This thread is approaching "War and Peace" or "Gone with the Wind" proportions.

 

[jkstewart1800]

This is interesting. Apparently "a lot of people" (not doubting jujube or her/his cousin, but the CM if anyone) are so upset that there won't be monorail access to [just] one park a few hours each day that they're changing their reservations.
To resorts with fewer Disney-provided transportation options and/or longer travel times and distances required.
That are far less convenient to the Magic Kingdom, the proximity to which was the driving force behind the original resort choice.

Anybody else as confused as I am?

I don't think of it as access to 'just one park' that has been disrupted. We were staying at the CR so we knew we could walk back and forth to the MK if we wanted to. It does however disrupt all the other plans that I had.
For example. One night we were going to drop the kids off at the Neverland Club and then go to Epcot to eat (ressies were at 6:20). With the monorail running it's easy to get to the Poly and then walk to the TTC to catch the Epcot line, and visa versa coming back.

I know I could wait for a boat, take the boat to MK, wait for the boat to the Poly go to the GF wait there while everyone unloads and then arrive to the Poly. And I also know I could take a bus to the Poly ...

What about on our Epcot days? Sure the Monorail can get us there in the morning, but for coming back to the resort for lunch and nap then leaving again to go out for dinner (we eat early) the line will still be closed....

So my thought was, if I am going to be busing it anyway why pay the big bucks for the room.... so I switched resorts.

 

[jkstewart1800]

There are 2 areas with fast access to parks, MK area and Epcot. Usually people book the one they expect to visit more. So if you book MK resort, is it reasonable to say you plan to spend more time at MK then at Epcot or other parks? So if you plan to go for midday breaks mostly from MK, how booking Epcot area or other areas will help? Is it clear that even with possibly slower boat service, you will still spend less time for transportation? Is it reasonable to believe that people will choose Epcot or DHS as their primary parks just because they do not want to waste extra 30 min or maybe even an hour, which I do not think they will, a day?
I find it highly unlikely.

I only have ever stayed at the MK resorts because of the veiw out your TPV window/balconey.... That is what makes my WDW vacation perfect... sitting there watching the sun come up over Seven Seas Lagoon, watching the monorail go around and listening for the MK train! To me that is heaven and I will suffer the 30-60 minute transport time to the other parks just for that!

 

[goofy4tink]

You do realize that there is a resort monorail? It is for the convenience of guests staying in resorts on the resort monorail loop. It is not I know exclusively for their use but the Disney sign does say:

Yeah, sure it does. BUT...it is merely stating where the Resort Monorail is. Kind of like a sign letting guests know where the bus to BW is. Now, do you truly believe that only BW guests are allowed on that bus???

Just heard from my cousin whose family is leaving Saturday for WDW. She called to change their reservation from the GF to YC because The CM asked her why and she told them because of the monorail. He said that said lots of people are calling to change from the monorail resorts for the same reason.
Apparently, DIS boarders are not the only ones concerned about this issue.

And that's fine. They should be able to change resorts..with a minimum of hassle. I don't think anyone is arguing that point.

I'm a little confused? Isn't the main monorail from the Magic Kingdom to the ticket and transportation center still running? Isn't it just the hotel loop that will be closed? Please correct me if I am wrong? But if so, couldn't you just take the monorail to the main entrance and then have a short walk to the Poly???

Only the Epcot monorail line is up and functioning, as usual, at this time.
Here's the issue. For those of us who have been down to WDW many times in recent years, we can all give multiple examples of monorail shutdowns...with us on the monorail, making us late for ADRs. That monorail line needs maintainence. I'm sorry that there are those who are inconvenienced by this. And yes, those at these three resorts have every right to be disappointed. And they have every right to let Disney know how they feel. But, Disney made a decision to shut down the resort/express monorails for 6 hour period each day in order to 1. allow construction at the GF DVC site, and 2. provide much needed maintainence to the monorail system itself.

give me any arguments you want. if you book a room at "resort connected to a monorail" (we dare not call it a monorail resort), you do so, and pay the price to do so, so you have the CONVENIENCE of going back and forth, back and forth, back and forth (did I say, back and forth?) as many times as you want. DURING the day. that's the whole point!!
go back for a swim. to eat at the resort. go back for a nap. go back and forth...yay! we can do it as much as we want, that's the WHOLE ADVANTAGE. of the close proximity with the conveninent transortation...

and NO. alternate transportation does NOT make up for it. now you are in line for the boat, with all the people staying offsite, trying to get to the TTC.

I KNOw. when we were at BLT, and the monorail was down after hours, the line for the ferry boat was RIDICULOUS!!!!! I know, cause I was there. it was CRAZY!!!! we only had to walk to CR so it was ok.. (although, I still was bummed that I couldn't ride the monorail back , since it was our first time staying at a MONORAIL (connected.. tee hee) RESORT!

it was a lot longer walk then we thought... no big deal.

the IMPRESSION given IS : stay at one of the 3 resorts connected to the monorail, and you can zip back and forth to the MK.
if you are paying PRIMO dollars to stay at one of the MONORAIL CONNECTED resorts (did I phrase that correctly?) you are thinking that you will not have to stand in line with the people going going to the MK parking lot. and can zip back to the room for a nap or swim or eat.
I still think people have the right to complain if the particular ammenities of the resort they are paying for are not available.

Just a few observations....I have stayed at the Polynesian, CR and BLT..actually own DVC at BLT. I'm familier with the lines for the boat and the monorail. There are really not all that many lines for boats during the midday hours. Yes, if you head to the monorail platform, at MK, at park closing, you are going to see people boarding the resort monorail and getting off at the Polynesian and then walking over to the TTC. BUt in all reality??? It just isn't that many people. Why? It makes absolutely no sense. The Express monorail is really a ton faster...yes, it gets filled up, but it is quicker and offers more availability. By the time the resort monorail gets to the Polynesian, the Express monorail has made it to the TTC and is on it's way back...probably two runs to one for the resort line.
Currently, when the monorail is down for service, 11:30-6, Disney has more boats in service. I realize that doesn't make up for the disappointment of not being able to ride the monorail back to the Polynesian or GF at 2pm. But, it's not as if you're left standing, waiting for a boat, for 30 mins. That just isn't so.
And when you book a room at any WDW resort, there is that famous fine print that tells you everything is subject to change. At least this time, you are all aware of the monorail deficiences..you can plan accordingly. Disney has put more buses and boats into service to get you from your resort to MK and back again. That is truly preferable to being stuck, high up there, in the monorail, as they try to fix whatever the heck went wrong with it.

I also think you can stop poking at me for trying to give out the info that Disney offers....MK resorts vs monorail resorts. I'm truly sorry this offended you. Just trying to be accurate. Won't let that happen again!!!!

There was a time, not long ago..you did need I.D. to ride the resort monorail. It's possible, this will be revisited.

And again...if you have an ADR at the Polynesian??? Or the GF??? This really isn't that big a deal. Besides, as I keep saying, this isn't an issue for park closing. The monorail is up and running at that time...well, unless MK is closing at 5:30 now.
I have yet to have to show a room ID in order to ride the monorail to any resort. And, that's experience from '99 to today. About the only time this is in effect is for super busy holiday times when non-resort guests are trying to get to the Polynesian in order to stand on the beach and watch those special fireworks show...for instance.

If you are the least bit familar with the monorail resorts you know that you only need to hop on the monorail and get off at the TTC and then can hop on the epcot line.Now if you wanted to go from 11.30 to 6.00 you would either need to walk which is a long one from GF and not feasable from the CR.Or find alternate transportation to TTC. So thus now you have a greater hassle to go to epcot.Also if you have listened to our handicapped friends on these boards they have stated many times the monorail is a much much more convient way to get around in scooters to the parks.This makes a bigger mess for them too.Kinda throws a monkey wrench in it for them too! You also can not rely on the fact that it may start ahead of schedule either.

Oh, she's pretty familier with the TTC. And scooter riding guests?? Kinda preaching to the choir on that one.
So, really? Disney has put in buses to get GF guests to the TTC. And you know what??? I imagine that the buses are actually faster than the monorail. The monorail from the GF to the TTC takes about 15+ mins. The bus is going to be much faster.

Seriously? On THIS thread you are telling someone else to "get a grip"?

Everyone under the sun knows your opinion, but, you feel the need to repeat, repeat, repeat.

Honestly, when your neighbor says something you don't agree with do you go over and knock on her door every.ten.minutes. to berate her again?

You know...it's more than just one person who is repeatedly stating their opinion. It's really not fair to tell just one person that they are repeating themselves. If each person here got to post their thoughts just once, this thread would have died at page 4.


Seriously?? This whole thread is getting ridiculous. Yes, people staying at these resorts are disappointed. If you book one of these resorts due to the proximity of the monorail then you have every right to complain to Disney.
And should Disney have let those impacted know of this disruption in service? Sure, that would have been nice. But, history shows us that Disney doesn't do this. They figure (right or wrong), that they'll just deal with guests on a one to one basis. The vast majority of guests are going to be sad, upset for a bit, and then go to their rooms. It's a very small percentage that will ask to be moved, ask for compensation due to the lack of monorail at all times. And, no, I'm not saying those people shouldn't be upset..or ask for compensation. Up to them. I am saying that Disney knows exactly what they are doing. They figure they can deal with the small percentage of truly upset MK resort guests when they arrive.

It is ridiculous to sit here and argue about which resorts are more expensive because they have monorail availability. For the most part, you're only talking about a small difference in room rates between the Polynesian and say, BW or YC/BC. The GF gets more simply due to it's 'elegance' and it's being the flagship resort. Me? I have no interest in staying there...just doesn't 'get it done' for me. I like the Polynesian well enough. And the CR is one of my favorite resorts. So, yeah, if the monorail was to be taken away from me when I was at the CR, I suppose I would be disappointed. But...I think I could deal with it for just those few hours. But...that's just ME...I'm not saying that anyone else should feel the same way.
I just don't understand the 'bitterness' here. And it has gotten bitter and meanspirited.

 

[LittleMissMagic]

Seriously? On THIS thread you are telling someone else to "get a grip"?

Everyone under the sun knows your opinion, but, you feel the need to repeat, repeat, repeat.

Honestly, when your neighbor says something you don't agree with do you go over and knock on her door every.ten.minutes. to berate her again?

 

[ols386]

I love the title of this thread - absolutely unacceptable. I can't tell you how many times I've read that phrase. Just about as many times as I've noticed the person who makes the statement continues to accept it, and then complains to the rest of us who have absolutely no part in the problem.
Look, I understand it's frustrating, but you're over-reacting in the extreme. If you truly find it unacceptable, then don't go. Call up Disney, tell them you don't accept it and cancel your plans. Take whatever loss that comes with it. Reschedule for another time.

THAT is what UNACCEPTABLE means.

Of course, we all know that you're going to accept it. So please do so gracefully and don't complain to people who have no part in your inconvenience (because it's only an inconvenience - nothing more).

You do realize this is a discussion board, right? All kinds of vents, concerns and questions are brought up on here.

And nobody said any of us could do anything about it. It's just a discussion.

 

[crostorfer]

red herring.. has absolutely nothing to do with th econversation at hand.

You mwust chop down the largest tree in the fawrest....wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiith.....A HERRING!

*cue ominous music*

(This post had just as much to do with this thread than the one you quoted, LOL. I always look for a reason to pull out the Monty Python.)

 

[smidgy]

I also think you can stop poking at me for trying to give out the info that Disney offers....MK resorts vs monorail resorts. I'm truly sorry this offended you. Just trying to be accurate. Won't let that happen again!!!!

(above a quote from goofy4tink)

my response:

I didn't mean to poke you.. I do apologize. I would never complain about people giving info.. information is good!

I just meant when people say you can't call the 3 resorts connected to the monorail "monorail" resorts. everyone calls them that, and the monorail use is implied.

iI just think they should have let the people know, I'm sure they'll have a good vacation anyway, but they have a right to vent.

 

[Dionnemay]

This kind reminds me of when I hear people complain about the inconvenience of going through the TSA checks at the airport. I wonder how they could so quickly forget 911- and how angry people were with the airlines for not having more vigilant security...now they complain?? Its a minor annoyance, but I don't mind; when I take my children on a plane, I feel better knowing that the guy next to me was searched just as thoroughly as I was.



The Monorail, like all other attractions, has a set scheduled maintenance/refurb time which Disney has to stick to for the safety of the guests and to be in compliance. Also, if the engineers find a potential problem, they will shut it down to address it. Much like how a plane might be delayed in take off if something isn't right- I'd rather them FIX it before it takes off with ME on it, haha!


The monorail has had its share of accidents-some ending tragically, so I for one, do not mind having to *gasp* "Ride the bus with the commoners", if it means a safer monorail for the families and children that ride it later.

ANYTIME the monorail is shut down is going to inconvenience SOMEONE; if they postponed maintenance every time someone complained, it would never get done.

What would you have them do... cancel repairs so you don't have to take the bus? Then when when something goes horribly wrong while YOU'RE on it you're the first one suing Disney for not maintaining its equipment?

I don't mean that in a mean or sarcastic way- I hope you can detect the humor-but, believe me, Disney doesn't like the "shut down" periods any more than you do- they lose money when people postpone or cancel their trips because a certain favorite attraction is closed (probably loosing a ton of visitors just for Fantasy land).

My thought is, while, yes its a slight inconvenience- it is just a SLIGHT inconvenience. It's not going to destroy your trip or the amount of fun you have at the parks once you DO get there; either by boat, bus, on foot, or flapping your arms like a bird, is it?

I get your disappointment but I would advise just shaking it off and being thankful and happy that you are blessed enough to make the trip at all.

There are many parents who would LOVE to take their children to WDW; many people and children who would give their right arm to go and have NEVER been because their financial circumstances prevent it.

That you can still splurge and visit the "happiest place on Earth"- AND stay in a DELUXE resort- in THIS economy is awesome!
I'll bet someone else would be HAPPY take your vacation FOR you...monorail or not!
Plus, if you go grumpy, you will ruin it for everyone else. Only Villains, Eeyor and one of the Seven Dwarfs are allowed to be party poopers at WDW.

Maybe Disney will give you some kind of discount if you make a stink about it. After that, just try and have fun! You're at Disney World for crying out loud!

Happy Disney Days!

 

[Dionnemay]

Come on, can we lock this already? This is getting beyond insulting at this point.

*Disclaimer: KIDDING: I think Kaytie wants to continue to try and belittle people*

I love your siggy!

...stealing it...

 

[ols386]

I also think you can stop poking at me for trying to give out the info that Disney offers....MK resorts vs monorail resorts. I'm truly sorry this offended you. Just trying to be accurate. Won't let that happen again!!!!




I didn't mean to poke you.. I do apologize. I would never complain about people giving info.. information is good!

I just meant when people say you can't call the 3 resorts connected to the monorail "monorail" resorts. everyone calls them that, and the monorail use is implied.

iI just think they should have let the people know, I'm sure they'll have a good vacation anyway, but they have a right to vent.

I guess they could be called either, but I've always referred to them as monorail resorts, because they have direct access to the monorail. I've stayed in a 'monorail' resort 3 times, and the main reason I stayed there was BECAUSE of the monorail...just so convenient for getting to/from MK and Epcot.

If I had reservations to stay in one of the resorts, and found out just days prior to my trip that the monrail was not going to be running from 11:30-6pm, I'd be disappointed. Wouldn't be the end of the world, but it would be somewhat disappointing.

 

[LittleMissMagic]

The Monorail, like all other attractions, has a set scheduled maintenance/refurb time which Disney has to stick to for the safety of the guests and to be in compliance. Also, if the engineers find a potential problem, they will shut it down to address it. Much like how a plane might be delayed in take off if something isn't right- I'd rather them FIX it before it takes off with ME on it, haha!

The monorail is not scheduled for maintenance/refurb. It is closed from 11:30 AM - 6:00 PM daily during the month of March to accommodate DVC construction near the monorail track at the Grand Floridian.

 

[jujube]

This kind reminds me of when I hear people complain about the inconvenience of going through the TSA checks at the airport. I wonder how they could so quickly forget 911- and how angry people were with the airlines for not having more vigilant security...now they complain?? Its a minor annoyance, but I don't mind; when I take my children on a plane, I feel better knowing that the guy next to me was searched just as thoroughly as I was.



The Monorail, like all other attractions, has a set scheduled maintenance/refurb time which Disney has to stick to for the safety of the guests and to be in compliance. Also, if the engineers find a potential problem, they will shut it down to address it. Much like how a plane might be delayed in take off if something isn't right- I'd rather them FIX it before it takes off with ME on it, haha!


The monorail has had its share of accidents-some ending tragically, so I for one, do not mind having to *gasp* "Ride the bus with the commoners", if it means a safer monorail for the families and children that ride it later.

ANYTIME the monorail is shut down is going to inconvenience SOMEONE; if they postponed maintenance every time someone complained, it would never get done.

What would you have them do... cancel repairs so you don't have to take the bus? Then when when something goes horribly wrong while YOU'RE on it you're the first one suing Disney for not maintaining its equipment?

I don't mean that in a mean or sarcastic way- I hope you can detect the humor-but, believe me, Disney doesn't like the "shut down" periods any more than you do- they lose money when people postpone or cancel their trips because a certain favorite attraction is closed (probably loosing a ton of visitors just for Fantasy land).

My thought is, while, yes its a slight inconvenience- it is just a SLIGHT inconvenience. It's not going to destroy your trip or the amount of fun you have at the parks once you DO get there; either by boat, bus, on foot, or flapping your arms like a bird, is it?

I get your disappointment but I would advise just shaking it off and being thankful and happy that you are blessed enough to make the trip at all.

There are many parents who would LOVE to take their children to WDW; many people and children who would give their right arm to go and have NEVER been because their financial circumstances prevent it.

That you can still splurge and visit the "happiest place on Earth"- AND stay in a DELUXE resort- in THIS economy is awesome!
I'll bet someone else would be HAPPY take your vacation FOR you...monorail or not!
Plus, if you go grumpy, you will ruin it for everyone else. Only Villains, Eeyor and one of the Seven Dwarfs are allowed to be party poopers at WDW.

Maybe Disney will give you some kind of discount if you make a stink about it. After that, just try and have fun! You're at Disney World for crying out loud!

Happy Disney Days!

A lot of the TSA stuff is feel good. If someone is determined to bring something on a plane, they can and they will but that's a different discussion.

The monorail is not down for repair or maintenance. It's because of the GF DVC construction.

About those who can't go to WDW, no one said life is fair.

We've all been disappointed about things.

 

[JoshuaShaw]

Warning: major thread derailment ahead.

This kind reminds me of when I hear people complain about the inconvenience of going through the TSA checks at the airport. I wonder how they could so quickly forget 911- and how angry people were with the airlines for not having more vigilant security...now they complain?? Its a minor annoyance, but I don't mind; when I take my children on a plane, I feel better knowing that the guy next to me was searched just as thoroughly as I was.

The two situations are not even remotely comparable. While I don't speak for everyone, there are many people who don't think the TSA checks are an inconvenience, but rather a loss of liberty. How much privacy are people willing to give up in the name of safety? The TSA checks (which are also not as effective as they would have you believe, http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/post/2011/11/tsa-mica/566727/1) set a precedent for Big Brother to begin violating our right to freedom in the name of "safety."

 

[Wadecool]

Warning: major thread derailment ahead.


The two situations are not even remotely comparable. While I don't speak for everyone, there are many people who don't think the TSA checks are an inconvenience, but rather a loss of liberty. How much privacy are people willing to give up in the name of safety? The TSA checks (which are also not as effective as they would have you believe, http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/post/2011/11/tsa-mica/566727/1) set a precedent for Big Brother to begin violating our right to freedom in the name of "safety."

What? Do you have a problem with someone comparing apples and chainsaws?

 

[Dionnemay]

The monorail is not scheduled for maintenance/refurb. It is closed from 11:30 AM - 6:00 PM daily during the month of March to accommodate DVC construction near the monorail track at the Grand Floridian.

Oh- I didn't know that! Well, in that case- SCR*W DISNEY!! Just kidding!

Its still a safety issue; just like when you're driving down your favorite highway and hit a bottle neck because they've closed two lanes that are under construction or being repaired.

You could ...

1.Call DOT and demand that they open the lanes so you don't have to be stuck in the right hand lane with the "common" cars, doing 40 mph for 2 miles. You can drive over wet asphalt and chunks of concrete (taking out a few construction workers on the way); then sue DOT when your axles and tires are shot!


2. Demand that they postpone repairs to the road until your trip is over; 'you didn't pay $60,000 for a sports car to NOT be able to drive the fast lane'.

And good luck with either of those

So Disney chose NOT to drive a monorail full of people through the middle of a construction zone...Meh, not the worst decision they've ever made.

OT Rant...

"Worst" decision was replacing "Alien" with "Stitches great escape" instead of just moving it over to DHS

Seriously, parents, if your young child is easily frightened, DON'T take them on a ride clearly marked "dark and Scary for young children" then complain that "little Johnny was scared" until they have to shut it down,

Geez, leave the grownups and teens ONE thrill ride that isn't watered down.

 

[MouseEarsForAll]

People are disappointed about the monorail issue.

People do not care about the monorail issue.


These sides have been stated pretty strongly, so please do not continue to try to convince the other side that they are wrong.

I know none of us would want other people shooting our opinions down because they disagree with us.

 

[jujube]

Oh- I didn't know that! Well, in that case- SCR*W DISNEY!! Just kidding!

Its still a safety issue; just like when you're driving down your favorite highway and hit a bottle neck because they've closed two lanes that are under construction or being repaired.

You could ...

1.Call DOT and demand that they open the lanes so you don't have to be stuck in the right hand lane with the "common" cars, doing 40 mph for 2 miles. You can drive over wet asphalt and chunks of concrete (taking out a few construction workers on the way); then sue DOT when your axles and tires are shot!


2. Demand that they postpone repairs to the road until your trip is over; 'you didn't pay $60,000 for a sports car to NOT be able to drive the fast lane'.

And good luck with either of those

So Disney chose NOT to drive a monorail full of people through the middle of a construction zone...Meh, not the worst decision they've ever made.

OT Rant...

"Worst" decision was replacing "Alien" with "Stitches great escape" instead of just moving it over to DHS

Seriously, parents, if your young child is easily frightened, DON'T take them on a ride clearly marked "dark and Scary for young children" then complain that "little Johnny was scared" until they have to shut it down,

Geez, leave the grownups and teens ONE thrill ride that isn't watered down.

Again, comparing apples to sailboats