Abortion thread

[chadfromdallas]

Y'all slow down...I'm trying to catch up on this thread...

 

[poohandwendy]

We're not. Talk to a vet sometime.

Ok, I am definitely getting sleepy...I read vet as a military veteran...LOL...

 

[Lisa L from MI]

I myself, an TOTALLY pro-choice....I believe it would be up to the individual whether or not to have an abortion....I know alot of you will now, tend to pick a side here....with me especially with me....but this is what I believe in....and have had some experience with this subject......and I haven't went.......well....you know,,,,,"to each his own...and appreciate as such"

 

[Blondy876]

Again, so my friend should have chosen to let both of them die?

No, I said that I in the case of medical need, rape and incest it should be an option. I also said that everyone has to make their own decisions and live with the consequences. My personal choice would be to take the chance so the child might live. But that would be my choice. Your friend has to make her own decision.

And while I'm posting again let me say this. Again stating that I believe that abortion is murder. I think people forget that for most women the choice of whether or not to have an abortion is not an easy decision. Most women live with the heartache of having to make the choice for the rest of their lives.

While I have very clearly stated my opnion on this subject, I am simply not willing to judge another persons choice. I will tell you my opnion and what I would do but I won't judge anyone if they don't agree with me.

 

[chobie]

Ok, I am definitely getting sleepy...I read vet as a military veteran...LOL...

I'm sleepy too. Should we call it a night?

 

[wdw4life]

You know what bugs me the most about the pro - life politicians? I really believe that rich people will always be able to get abortions, and if the people who want to overturn Roe vs Wade succeed, the people who will suffer are poor people.

If a senator's daughter gets pregnant and wants an abortion, there are always doctors who will do it for a price.

I haven't read past this post so sorry is this has already been brought up but if Roe vs Wade is overturned abortion will just fall back to each individual state to make it legal.

 

[auntpolly]

Is it just me or are we pretty darned wonderful - we woman - keeping this discussion going on so long with no real ugliness? I'm so *sniff* proud!

 

[phillybeth]

Is it just me or are we pretty darned wonderful - we woman - keeping this discussion going on so long with no real ugliness? I'm so *sniff* proud!

I know, we've been so civilized, the mods must be proud of us!

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

And what if the baby has a serious, fatal condition? Should that baby's short life be spent in pain struggling for every breath?
Viable doesn't mean healthy. It's a RARE 23 or 24 weeker that ever gets to go home. And even rarer for that baby to be 'normal'. While I might welcome a severely handicapped child, not everyone would. What gives me the right to make that choice for someone else?

Being handicapped isn't necessarily fatal.

Not to judge you or anything--but it almost sounds as though one should also have a choice on whether to continue pregnancy if the child as a condition that would make them severely handicapped. Then that opens a whole new can of worms as what defines severely handicapped. What may be tolerable to one--wouldn't be to another. What determines a matter of convenience of not having the baby versus the baby would really have poor QOL due to severe handicap or not even make it to see it's birthday.

 

[poohandwendy]

Is it just me or are we pretty darned wonderful - we woman - keeping this discussion going on so long with no real ugliness? I'm so *sniff* proud!

Group hug, group hug, group hug... I appreciate all of the different opinions. It is an interesting subject with many facets...

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Is it just me or are we pretty darned wonderful - we woman - keeping this discussion going on so long with no real ugliness? I'm so *sniff* proud!

Very good discussion .

 

[totalia]

I have to go. If this discussion is still going later, I will continue to post but my fiance is waiting on the phone. Have a good night ladies and gents.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I have to go. If this discussion is still going later, I will continue to post but my fiance is waiting on the phone. Have a good night ladies and gents.

Good night Totalia--a pleasure conversing with you as always!

Take care of yourself!

 

[auntpolly]

Sweet dreams.

 

[Immelman]

where do pro-choicer's and anti's meet for breakfast?

 

[phillybeth]

Being handicapped isn't necessarily fatal.

Not to judge you or anything--but it almost sounds as though one should also have a choice on whether to continue pregnancy if the child as a condition that would make them severely handicapped. Then that opens a whole new can of worms as what defines severely handicapped. What may be tolerable to one--wouldn't be to another. What determines a matter of convenience of not having the baby versus the baby would really have poor QOL due to severe handicap or not even make it to see it's birthday.

So shouldn't a woman or a couple be able to make that choice? I would welcome a baby with Down's- not everyone would. It is not fair for me to force my choice on someone else.

 

[poohandwendy]

G'night all...sleepy me must get to bed...

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

So shouldn't a woman or a couple be able to make that choice? I would welcome a baby with Down's- not everyone would. It is not fair for me to force my choice on someone else.

It sounds like a mercy killing, IMHO as a matter of convenience. We have no control over whether children will be born in perfect health. All we can do is our best to faciliate as near perfect an outcome as possible. Down's is not a fatal condition.

I did a field trip to a hospital when I was in high school that included a tour of the Gross Anatomy lab (I now know why it is called "Gross" LOL)....they had some preserved babies/fetuses....these were stillborn babies with serious anomolies--the one that stood out was the baby with no skull and an exposed brain. The baby was otherwise normal looking and I suspect that all the babes on display were still births as the bodies were in tact. They had serious fatal flaws. In these cases---there is just no use prolonging a pregnancy obviously. When mentally/physically handicapped people can be mainstreamed...then something "simple" (given the success rate--not that it is easy to raise the child) as a child with Downs...seems more a mercy/convenience issue if the parents "choose" to abort.

I do understand that there are babies with identifiable conditions who for the extreme majority of cases will die very shortly after birth.

 

[katerkat]

Wow this thread is moving! (And what's with the good nights and sweet dreams? This is a debate, people! )

My darling blob of cells may still be a parasite (and an annoyingly active one at that!) but at 7.5 weeks, I heard his heartbeat. It's not religious to me - anything that has different DNA than me and has a beating heart is another life, regardless of how dependent it is on me. That's my justification of life beginning at conception.

For the record, though - I'm with PAW on hoping that someday we'll live in a world where abortion isn't seen as a justifiable method of birth control. I don't want to make it illegal because I don't want women to resort to alley/coat hanger abortions. But I do want to educate people so that the question of whether to abort is not a frequently asked one.

 

[Pop Daddy]

I think an abortion is a big mistake, but wouldnt knock anyone who has had one because I make alot of big mistakes myself