Abortion thread

[totalia]

As it stands now, the unborn fetus does not have rights and a large part of that is because of the carnage that was wrought from illegal abortion attempts. There is no logical reason that I can think of to force a woman to gestate an embryo until it becomes viable and as for emotional pleas, to use terms like baby or child instead of fetus or embryo is also an emotional plea IMO

I agree.

 

[phillybeth]

To clarify, the acceptable use of the term baby applies when? At birth? At the 25th week? I'm not trying to be facetious, I would like to know the differing interpretations.

To a scientist it is a baby only at birth. Embryo for the first trimester, fetus until birth.

 

[totalia]

To me a fetus becomes a baby when it can live on its own outside the mother.

 

[chobie]

The unborn fetus does have rights: see the Laci and Connor law passed this past year.

To clarify, the acceptable use of the term baby applies when? At birth? At the 25th week? I'm not trying to be facetious, I would like to know the differing interpretations.

I have heard people on the pro-life side now taking the "it's not an emotional issue it's a logical one" and then they use terms like baby and child which I believe is to invoke an emotional response. I'm not an M.D. so I don't know the technical terms. Explain to me where is the logic in the pro-life side.

It seems to me that saying "it's a embryo -not a choice" would not have the same impact as the current slogan being used.

 

[chadfromdallas]

To me a fetus becomes a baby when it can live on its own outside the mother.

 

[poohandwendy]

Thank you very much.

The only thing that I must say (despite that I disagree with you) is that just because something has the features of something else does not mean that is what it is.

Most forms of color come from the animal trying to hide what it looks like. Australia has a lizard that looks like a patch of thorns. Until you get up close to it.

Features do not a thing make.

LOL, this sort of made me chuckle. Sorry, but we do know... it is a FACT that a human fetus ALWAYS is born a human baby. Not a puppy, not an elephant, but a baby. It's not an illusion or camoflauge or a coincidence that it appears to look like a human baby.

The ONLY difference between a fetus and a baby is the time of gestation AND the mindset of the mother. If she wants it, gosh darn it all, it's a baby! If she doesn't it is a fetus. Still the exact same DNA.

Argue the legality and morality all you want. But spare me the 'it's not really a human child' BS. It may not be fully developed, it may be totally dependent. But it is a human being.

Is a toddler a human? How about an adult? They appear to be different from each other, one is more dependant than the other. Interestingly, they share one common thing with a fetus...DNA structure that can ONLY be found in a human being.

 

[chobie]

But had Laci been a month pregnant, for example, Scott would not have been charged with the baby's death.

Good point.

 

[totalia]

LOL, this sort of made me chuckle. Sorry, but we do know... it is a FACT that a human fetus ALWAYS is born a human baby. Not a puppy, not an elephant, but a baby.

The ONLY difference between a fetus and a baby is the time of gestation AND the mindset of the mother. If she wants it, gosh darn it all, it's a baby! If she doesn't it is a fetus. Still the exact same DNA.

Argue the legality and morality all you want. But spare me the 'it's not really a human child' BS. It may not be fully developed, it may be totally dependent. But it is a human being.

Is a toddler a human? How about an adult? They appear to be different from each other, one is more dependant than the other. Interestingly, they share one common thing with a fetus...DNA structure that can ONLY be found in a human being.

Hmm. I think you just took it to that next level where its gotten too emotional. So I will not reply to that post.

 

[Immelman]

(strapping on his wetsuit and scuba gear to dive in)

abortion saved me and a girl's future's when we were 17. college would have been out of the question. I don't buy into the argument a human life is worth more than anything else. we had a cat that had to have an abortion to save her. it's the same thing, a glob of cells. to interject your beliefs into my life is sooooooo hypocritical.

 

[tiggersmom2]

Hmm. I think you just took it to that next level where its gotten too emotional. So I will not reply to that post.

Ummmm....no, PAW was not being emotional just rational and educated....like she always is.

 

[MELSMICE]

But had Laci been a month pregnant, for example, Scott would not have been charged with the baby's death.

Is that the case? Serious question. Would he have been charged with something else or nothing at all?

Wasn't there that man in the Midwest that killed his wife (Lori?) & dumped her body in a garbage dump. Wasn't his wife just pregnant? Was he charged with anything?

 

[poohandwendy]

It's not emotional, it's factual.

 

[totalia]

Well put Immelman.

No pooh, its YOUR opinion. And that is all. And it also emotional.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

(strapping on his wetsuit and scuba gear to dive in)

abortion saved me and a girl's future's when we were 17. college would have been out of the question. I don't buy into the argument a human life is worth more than anything else. we had a cat that had to have an abortion to save her. it's the same thing, a glob of cells. to interject your beliefs into my life is sooooooo hypocritical.

I received something in the mail that showed that it is clearly more than just a blob of cells.

 

[chobie]

I received something in the mail that showed that it is clearly more than just a blob of cells.

How can you be sure the picture is what it says it is?

 

[totalia]

Of course it did. Because that is what antiabortionists are trying to do.

 

[phillybeth]

Is a toddler a human? How about an adult? They appear to be different from each other, one is more dependant than the other. Interestingly, they share one common thing with a fetus...DNA structure that can ONLY be found in a human being.

I don't think anyone could dispute the fact that an embryo/fetus is human. But it is not a child, toddler or adult. It is a human fetus or a human embryo.

 

[totalia]

I don't think anyone could dispute the fact that an embryo/fetus is human. But it is not a child, toddler or adult. It is a human fetus or a human embryo.

Well put.

 

[phillybeth]

Is that the case? Serious question. Would he have been charged with something else or nothing at all?

Wasn't there that man in the Midwest that killed his wife (Lori?) & dumped her body in a garbage dump. Wasn't his wife just pregnant? Was he charged with anything?

He was charged with her death, not the death of the embryo. Legally you cannot be charged for the criminal death of an embryo/fetus before the current medical limit of viability, usually considered to be 26 weeks LMP or 24 weeks gestational age.

 

[poohandwendy]

FWIW, I am not even making an argument against abortion. I am arguing against moral justification based on EMOTION rather than facts...ie, it is not a baby, just a lump of cells. If so, why do women cry when they miscarry? Why do we offer sympathy? Why do we carry around ultrasound pictures?