Abortion thread

[EsmeraldaX]

Not a pitbull, auntpolly....More like one of those little rat dog terriers...You know, the ones that yipyipyip all the friggin' time

First you insult my comic books! Then you insult my dogs Westminister kennel show group! What is it with you today!?!??!

 

[katerkat]

I took drugs during my pregnancy. Looks like BR's only reaction so far is to grow really long arms and legs to poke me with.

 

[Maleficent13]

Is he kind of a "mad" dog? Or am I off track?

I don't think he's a "mad" dog...but your post is the first time that possibility occurred to me...I still don't think so though.

 

[ford family]

I thought it was kind of an interesting sideline to the drugs topic -- I mean, maybe in a wider scope we were talking about individual rights - the rights you have with your own body, and at what point the government can step in and take away the rights.

But, surely, you cannot talk about individual rights without talking about individual responsibilities.
In most westernised countries the rights of the woman are paramount up until a predetermined (but variable) stage of development. No later than that stage has been reached the women is responsible for the well-being of her child.
You can debate the "stage of development" which can vary between conception (birth control) and delivery (infanticide) but you will never reach a consensus due to the wide religious, political and economic viewpoints.
The woman has to always act responsibly either by aborting as early as she can if that is her chosen route or by taking care of her body and thus that of her child if she plans on going to full term. Taking drugs or smoking or drinking during pregnancy may be your "right" but it is going against your "responsibilities" towards the child.

ford family

 

[auntpolly]

You can debate the "stage of development" which can vary between conception (birth control) and delivery (infanticide) but you will never reach a consensus due to the wide religious, political and economic viewpoints.
The woman has to always act responsibly either by aborting as early as she can if that is her chosen route or by taking care of her body and thus that of her child if she plans on going to full term. Taking drugs or smoking or drinking during pregnancy may be your "right" but it is going against your "responsilities" towards the child.

ford family

In a way we have come to a consensus in the law. Of course not everyone agrees when life begins, but I go along with when the law says it does, and I think that at the point that it would be illegal to abort, it should probably be illegal to kill a baby while doing something that is harmful to my body and its. Isn't it? You know, I don't even know? What is the law concerning a mother who's unborn baby dies because of something she's done to herself?

 

[TheBellhop]

Pro-Choice is no choice for the baby.

 

[totalia]

I'm stupid. I actually came back.

It may be no choice for the baby but you know what? Sometimes its the best choice for the mother and the baby.

Tell me what you think my friend should have done in her situation please. It really was a life or death situation for them both. There was no, no treatment and both would live.

 

[chobie]

I'm stupid. I actually came back.

It may be no choice for the baby but you know what? Sometimes its the best choice for the mother and the baby.

Tell me what you think my friend should have done in her situation please. It really was a life or death situation for them both. There was no, no treatment and both would live.

That would require some actual thought, not just reiterating a slogan on a bumpersticker.

 

[totalia]

Lol. Yeah pity isn't it? Seems awfully hard for some people to think beyond their own limitted desire of what their personal Utopia would be.

 

[ford family]

I think your friend did exactly the right thing.
An adult's life is always more important than an embryo. As you said, she could have a baby again another day, it is an easy and well understood process. Reaching adulthood is much more difficult and, therefore, valuable.

ford family

 

[totalia]

*nods* I agree. It was hard for everyone to deal with but sometimes there is no choice.

 

[poohandwendy]

I would like to see abortion, in most cases, become obsolete. (yes, I am a dreamer) I think the biggest problem I have with it is the fact that it is, in many cases, used as a form of birth control. The cases of medical need, rape and very young teens just are not where the numbers lie. I would like to see more women and men seriously use birth control methods more responsibly.

 

[totalia]

I agree. That would be wonderful. But we don't live in that kind of world. It would be great if we did.

 

[poohandwendy]

I agree. That would be wonderful. But we don't live in that kind of world. It would be great if we did.

LOL, see I told you I was a dreamer....

 

[soccercruiser87]

abortion is wrong...

 

[totalia]

abortion is wrong...

You obviously didn't read the whole thread. I suggest you read it again. There is no such thing as black and white.

 

[MrsKreamer]

I am sorry your friend had to make that desicion. I don't know what I would have done in her exact situation, but I told my husband when I was pregnant(found out at 4 weeks) if we had to make a choice between me and the baby I would have choosen the baby. That is just how I feel. I would still give my life for my son, I just love him that much. I loved him that much when he was only 4 weeks gestation inside me. I don't think abortion should be outlawed. I don't think that will help anyone. I am pro-life though. I think more prevention needs to be taught...but some people will never learn. JMHO

 

[soccercruiser87]

You obviously didn't read the whole thread. I suggest you read it again. There is no such thing as black and white.

woah! sorry!...just voicing my opinion...settle down...

 

[totalia]

*nods* Alot of mothers would choose their baby but you know what? What happens if choosing the baby means death for both of them?

*sighs* Its just frustrating that so many people just automatically say that its wrong without thinking of the real consequences.

Unfortunately, if I were to become pregnant right now (not going to happen. Thats one bonus of the distance between us. Can't get pregnant when 2000 miles separate you), we would have to have an abortion. I'd not be able to have a child right now. There are alot of reasons why.

Because of the accident, I'm on alot of drugs at the moment and it may harm any baby. I also can't walk and am under massive amounts of stress. Not to mention the x-rays and other tests that they put me under.

The doctor has told me not to get pregnant (and I have to agree with her) because it could harm both of us until I am in better condition to deal with it.

Nothing is black and white. There are exceptions to every rule. It would be wonderful if the world were perfect and where mothers that are unable to take care of their children would not have to worry. And where children would be taken care of regardless. And where things like rape don't exist.

But we don't live in that world.

 

[auntpolly]

woah! sorry!...just voicing my opinion...settle down...

I think what she was getting at is that there is an attempt at a discussion and we'd just like to at least here more than one sentence. You think it's wrong in all cases? To save the mother's life? In the case of a rape? If you do, that's fine, but we're just trying to get at "why" we all feel the way we do - and I know it wasn't you that provided the "bumper sticker", but it's more of an interesting discussion if we move beyond cliches.