Aaron vs. Erin pronunciation

Aaron vs. Erin

  • Pronounced the same

  • Pronounced differently

  • Aaron - male only

  • Aaron - female only

  • Aaron - both

  • Erin - male only

  • Erin - female only

  • Erin - both


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I can't believe people think Mary and Merry are pronounced the same. You don't even have to hear the words, you just have to look at them to know they can't possibly sound the same. :confused3

i was thinking the same thing.

Mary - Mah-ree (like Harry)

Merry - Meh-ree

Marry - Mare-ree

okay, so Mary and Marry may sound just alike to some people, but, being from NE alabama, i would naturally hold out the RRs in Marry just a split second longer than most. you could call it a drawl, i suppose.
 
Walt Disney World! How could it be any simpler?

Aaron = Animal Kingdom
Erin = Epcot

It's not just about how people hear the sounds, it's about how they say them. And according to the basic rules of pronunciation - available in any dictionary - it seems as if many, many people are mispronouncing or confusing long and short vowels.

eta: The voice recognition comment? I'm seeing ads for Dragon Naturally Speaking on my screen :rotfl2: That program won't work right if Different words are pronounced the same.

How about:
Aaron = Arabic or Arrogant
Erin = Error or Errant

Essentially the same sound? When I say them, they might not be *exactly* the same sound... but they're very close!

ETA: I just tested Mary/merry/marry with voice recognition (Siri) on my iPhone and it got all three correct even though I say them all very similarly. Maybe it uses context? I assume that's how it handles other homophones (wear, where, ware) as well.
 
They all sound the same to me :listen:

Erin, Aaron sound the same

Mary, Marry, Merry, Meri whatever I have always said and heard them the same and as far as I know everyone else I have ever talked to says them the same too. I still don't get how they can sound different.:headache:
 
Webster's Dictionary shows Mary, merry and marry as having the same pronunciation (it has 2 or 3 choices but the first one on each is the same).

As for as voice recognition software, I have used it in school. No problems. Like another poster said about her phone, dd just said all three words to hers and it had no issue recognizing each one.

Looking at two words in the English language and determining how they are pronounced is basically useless.

Why on earth do you think English is one of the hardest languages to learn to speak? Those of us that grew up speaking English can't even agree on how its spoken.

BTW, I have a nephew named Harry. Its pronounced by the people who named him exactly like hairy. I would assume they know how they want their child's name pronounced.
 

How about:
Aaron = Arabic or Arrogant
Erin = Error or Errant

Essentially the same sound? When I say them, they might not be *exactly* the same sound... but they're very close!
Okay, those work too - but the poster I was quoting was on her way to Walt Disney World - so the theme park sound comparison seemed appropriate :teeth:.

ETA: I just tested Mary/merry/marry with voice recognition (Siri) on my iPhone and it got all three correct even though I say them all very similarly. Maybe it uses context? I assume that's how it handles other homophones (wear, where, ware) as well.
While these three words are virtually homophones (well, except when 'where' is pronounced 100% accurately including the 'h' ;)), the other words we're discussing aren't homophones. Similar, not identical.
 
Okay, those work too - but the poster I was quoting was on her way to Walt Disney World - so the theme park sound comparison seemed appropriate :teeth:.

While these three words are virtually homophones (well, except when 'where' is pronounced 100% accurately including the 'h' ;)), the other words we're discussing aren't homophones. Similar, not identical.

So do you say Arrogant and Errant with distinctly different beginnings? I don't. Both are basically Air-ogant, and Air-ent to me.

Marry/Merry/Mary are homophones when many of us say them. And as much as you want to say we are pronouncing them "wrong," it's just not true. It's just different. http://dialectblog.com/2011/09/21/marry-merry-mary/
 
So do you say Arrogant and Errant with distinctly different beginnings? I don't. Both are basically Air-ogant, and Air-ent to me.

Marry/Merry/Mary are homophones when many of us say them. And as much as you want to say we are pronouncing them "wrong," it's just not true. It's just different. http://dialectblog.com/2011/09/21/marry-merry-mary/

Different regions have different ways of pronouncing things. I think its odd that posters can't understand how these words could be pronounced differently. Not whether one way is right or wrong but, that a and e make different sounds.
 
Different regions have different ways of pronouncing things. I think its odd that posters can't understand how these words could be pronounced differently. Not whether one way is right or wrong but, that a and e make different sounds.

You think it's odd that some people can't understand how the words could be pronounced differently from the way another person says them, or differently than each other?

I haven't seen anyone say that they don't understand how people could pronounce them differently from each other. (Some people have indicated they have never heard it pronounced differently, so can't picture how it would sound. The "like the 'a' in hat" was helpful.) I have heard some people claim that posters who say them the same are wrong, lazy, or uneducated. (roll eyes)

Yes. A and E make different sounds. But each vowel makes several different sounds -- and sometimes they overlap. A tint of black can be spelled 'gray' or 'grey.'
 
You think it's odd that some people can't understand how the words could be pronounced differently from the way another person says them, or differently than each other?

I haven't seen anyone say that they don't understand how people could pronounce them differently from each other. (Some people have indicated they have never heard it pronounced differently, so can't picture how it would sound. The "like the 'a' in hat" was helpful.) I have heard some people claim that posters who say them the same are wrong, lazy, or uneducated. (roll eyes)

Yes. A and E make different sounds. But each vowel makes several different sounds -- and sometimes they overlap. A tint of black can be spelled 'gray' or 'grey.'

:rotfl2:That begs the question do you pronounce them the same?
 
You think it's odd that some people can't understand how the words could be pronounced differently from the way another person says them, or differently than each other?

I haven't seen anyone say that they don't understand how people could pronounce them differently from each other. (Some people have indicated they have never heard it pronounced differently, so can't picture how it would sound. The "like the 'a' in hat" was helpful.) I have heard some people claim that posters who say them the same are wrong, lazy, or uneducated. (roll eyes)

Yes. A and E make different sounds. But each vowel makes several different sounds -- and sometimes they overlap. A tint of black can be spelled 'gray' or 'grey.'

True, but that is because phonetically the 'ey' combination makes the long a sound.
If you take Merry, there is no letter combination that makes that e sound like an a, and no combination in Mary that makes that a sound like an e.
 
Here's an article about Mary/Marry/Merry from http://www.pronuncian.com/Podcast/Default.aspx?Episode=123 :

A Merry, Marry, Mary Christmas

A tri-sound merger explained for the Holidays

Transcripts

Hi again, and welcome back to Seattle Learning Academy's American English pronunciation podcast. My name is Mandy, and this is our 123rd episode.

(Song excerpt) That was very end of The Bird and the Bee's rendition of Carol of the Bells. While the context of the song tells us that they were singing Merry Christmas (merry spelled m-e-r-r-y), without that context, I would not know for certain if they were saying merry, m-e-r-r-y, marry, m-a-r-r-y, or Mary, M-a-r-y. This is a perfect time of year to talk about the merry-marry-mary merger.

I'm one of the 57% of Americans who pronounce the words merry, marry, and Mary the same. When two sounds that were, at one time, pronounced differently, start being pronounced the same, we say a merger has occurred.

Probably the most well-known American English pronunciation merger is the cot-caught merger, where the words cot, c-o-t, and caught, c-a-u-g-h-t, are pronounced the same. Since only about 40% of Americans have merged these sounds, we still treat them as separate sounds on Pronuncian.

As I said earlier, about 57% of Americans pronounce merry, marry, and Mary the same, using the same r-controlled vowel. On Pronuncian, we call this sound the air sound, and we use the IPA symbol of the combination of the short e symbol plus the r sound symbol. We call it the air sound because, while it is pronounced more like a short e followed by an r sound, it is often spelled like a long a.

There is so much that can be confusing about the air sound and the merry-marry-Mary merger that it's difficult to even know where to start. First, this merger is most widespread in rhotic accents. Rhotic means that the r sound is pronounced when it occurs before a consonant sound. Standard American English is rhotic, while many accents of the East Coast, including Boston and New York, are non-rhotic. Received Pronunciation of England is also a very well-known non-rhotic accent. So, the first part of the complication is that it is mostly just the rhotic accents that have merged the sounds.

Another confusing aspect of this merger is that many individuals have merged two of the three sounds, but not all three. For instance, if I use the linguistics department map created by the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee as a reference, almost 57% of Americans merge all three sounds, 16% merge M-a-r-y and m-a-r-r-y, and 9% merge M-a-r-y and m-e-r-r-y. Only 1% merge m-e-r-r-y and m-a-r-r-y with each other but not with M-a-r-y. After all of that, we still have the 17% of individuals who pronounce all three differently. Not surprisingly, most of those people are on the East Coast and in areas with non-rhotic accents.

Finally, the dictionaries seem to be just as varied as individual speakers. It isn't hard to find one dictionary that has merged two of the three sounds some of the time but not all of the time, and a different dictionary that has merged a different two of the three. The second edition of the Longman Pronunciation Dictionary at least shows merry, marry, and Mary merged in their American English pronunciation.

As learners, you have choices to make. Do you want to learn the sounds in a merged form, or separately? It really is a personal choice, just as choosing to learn an American accent, or a British accent, or any other of the many choices you have is personal. My goal is to make you more aware of your options!

If you want to hear Walter Matthau say, "Merry Christmas," I'd recommend choosing Dr. Seuss' How the Grinch Stole Christmas as your free audiobook with your 14-day Audible trial. I've talked before about the fact that Dr. Seuss is an American cultural icon, and being familiar with his very popular children's books is well worth your time. You get to keep the audiobook even if you cancel your subscription before your free trial is over. Go to www.pronuncian.com/audible for more information.

I want to send a special thanks to our English Assembly forums users Vadie and Anton who both linked to the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee linguistics maps I referred to. I'll also include a link to the maps of the merry, marry, Mary merger along with the transcripts for this show. All of our transcripts can be found at www.pronuncian.com/podcast.

That's all for today everyone. This has been a Seattle Learning Academy digital publication. SLA is where the world comes to learn.

Happy Holidays everyone, and thanks for listening.

Bye-bye.
 
This thread has me cracking up.

I am in the camp of Erin = Heron and Aaron = Baron. Great examples.


However, my friend Erin is married to a man from the midwest with a brother named Aaron and he (the husband) pronounces both his wife AND his brother's name the same. :rotfl2: I am fairly certain he is the only person who calls his wife "Air-en" though. We are in New England.

My name is Karen and everyone I know pronounces it so it rhymes with barren. My college roommate was from North Carolina and called me Care-in and it drove me crazy.

I am always interested in how people in other parts of the country pronounce things.
 
This thread has me cracking up.

I am in the camp of Erin = Heron and Aaron = Baron. Great examples.


However, my friend Erin is married to a man from the midwest with a brother named Aaron and he (the husband) pronounces both his wife AND his brother's name the same. :rotfl2: I am fairly certain he is the only person who calls his wife "Air-en" though. We are in New England.

My name is Karen and everyone I know pronounces it so it rhymes with barren. My college roommate was from North Carolina and called me Care-in and it drove me crazy.

I am always interested in how people in other parts of the country pronounce things.

My sister's name is also Caren. We're from the Midwest and here: baron, barren, heron, Aaron, Erin, Karen/Caren, and care-in all rhyme.

I can "hear" Aaron (and baron and barren) pronounced with an A like 'cat', even though I don't say it that way. However, I am still having trouble picturing how other people are saying Erin (if not Air-in) and heron (hair-en).
 
My sister's name is also Caren. We're from the Midwest and here: baron, barren, heron, Aaron, Erin, Karen/Caren, and care-in all rhyme.

I can "hear" Aaron (and baron and barren) pronounced with an A like 'cat', even though I don't say it that way. However, I am still having trouble picturing how other people are saying Erin (if not Air-in) and heron (hair-en).

Rhyming and being homophones aren't the same thing but regardless...

Erin - begins like error begins. Er-in. In like in.

Heron - begins like heretic begins. Like herald. Her-on. On like on.
 
Rhyming and being homophones aren't the same thing but regardless...

Erin - begins like error begins. Er-in. In like in.

Heron - begins like heretic begins. Like herald. Her-on. On like on.

Yes. I know what there's a difference between rhyming and homophones. Obviously, baron and heron aren't homophones. They rhyme (at least they do here in Ohio). Here, marry/Mary/merry are homophones.

I still can't hear the difference with Erin. I say:
Air-in, Air-or, Hair-on, Hair-ald. All the same vowel sound. (But, incidentally, neither rhyming nor homophones.)
 
Yes. I know what there's a difference between rhyming and homophones. Obviously, baron and heron aren't homophones. They rhyme (at least they do here in Ohio). Here, marry/Mary/merry are homophones.

I still can't hear the difference with Erin. I say:
Air-in, Air-or, Hair-on, Hair-ald. All the same vowel sound. (But, incidentally, neither rhyming nor homophones.)

Hmm...do you say 'hair-etic?'

The air-or pronounciation for error is totally throwing me, would you say... air-oneous for erroneous?

How about erase? I'm guessing now it'll all end up as air... this is hard.

Oh! Erte?
 
Hmm...do you say 'hair-etic?'

The air-or pronounciation for error is totally throwing me, would you say... air-oneous for erroneous?

How about erase? I'm guessing now it'll all end up as air... this is hard.

Oh! Erte?

Yes, heretic = hair-etic.

Yes, error = air-or and erroneous = air-oneous.

I wouldn't say air- for erase, that has more of a schwa sound. Uh-race. I think the difference is that the e is in the unstressed syllable, rather than the stressed syllable.

I am not familiar with Erte (artist?)... But if I had to guess, I would either say Air-tay or Ur-tay ("ur" like fur). But I am sure I haven't heard Erin pronounced with an Ur sound. (I have heard people say Barry/Aaron with an A like in hat before. That's not how I say it, but I have heard it. I just can't picture the alternate pronunciation for Erin.)
 
Yes, heretic = hair-etic.

Yes, error = air-or and erroneous = air-oneous.

I wouldn't say air- for erase, that has more of a schwa sound. Uh-race. I think the difference is that the e is in the unstressed syllable, rather than the stressed syllable.

I am not familiar with Erte (artist?)... But if I had to guess, I would either say Air-tay or Ur-tay ("ur" like fur). But I am sure I haven't heard Erin pronounced with an Ur sound. (I have heard people say Barry/Aaron with an A like in hat before. That's not how I say it, but I have heard it. I just can't picture the alternate pronunciation for Erin.)

Erin would be just a short e (like elephant) and rin.
 
Erin would be just a short e (like elephant) and rin.

Ah, okay... I can hear that (I think). Would the second syllable be the stressed syllable then?

When I say it, the first syllable is stressed and it includes the R sound.
 












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