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[LUVMYTINK]

why do you think that everyone thinks people who get EIC are lazy? I didn't read that...could you explain the statment.

entitlement mentality, Milking the system, lazy - sorry they kind of all seem the same to me & I took offense to it.

Oh yeah another thing, I didn't say everyone, I said some people.

 

[Mkgaapril]

your the one who wants to tell us how to spend it? Is it that we aren't lazy we are just too stupid to make more money then?

You really need to read...judging from the responses you give I am going to say times are probably hard for you as they are for many of us. I don't recall anyone calling any one lazy or stupid.

So why don't you answer this....if there are breaks for the poor and breaks for the rich and as it was pointed out there is nothing written in the law books for a class group why is it that middle class pay higher taxes and get less in return? Why is it the middle class person working 60 hours a week and doing it not getting help? you said yourself that you were 44 dollars away from being out of EIC so if you had mad that little bit more you would be in that class the middle class....and that my friend is close enough to middle class....do you think that the middle class should get more of a break than they do and stop carrying the american load?

 

[Mkgaapril]

entitlement mentality, Milking the system, lazy - sorry they kind of all seem the same to me & I took offense to it.

Oh yeah another thing, I didn't say everyone, I said some people.

do you really think this rebate is going to help? or is it just going to float many for just a month or two longer until the bottom is pulled out...

 

[StrollPatrolMom]

your the one who wants to tell us how to spend it? Is it that we aren't lazy we are just too stupid to make more money then?

no, and I'm totally NOT picking on you....but if you are able to afford to go to Disney and live comfortably with 4 kids, do you really need that 44? thats more the point....its the notion that somehow everyone is entitled to same "standard" of living including Disney trips, cell phones, cable tv, etc etc


and really to me its NOT just EIC, it plays into rising gas prices and people not conserving, and the notion that the "luxuries" of life are not luxuries but rather expectations in this country. Way too many people at various SES's are living beyond their means as if it is their birth right to do so....EIC plays into this. I really do not get what the point of it is to be honest....

 

[HelenePA]

I asked you a question. What do you consider Middle Class you never answered. Its not just me who thinks your calling EIC people lazy. Look at the post above the one you just posted.

 

[StrollPatrolMom]

You really need to read...judging from the responses you give I am going to say times are probably hard for you as they are for many of us. I don't recall anyone calling any one lazy or stupid.

So why don't you answer this....if there are breaks for the poor and breaks for the rich and as it was pointed out there is nothing written in the law books for a class group why is it that middle class pay higher taxes and get less in return? Why is it the middle class person working 60 hours a week and doing it not getting help? you said yourself that you were 44 dollars away from being out of EIC so if you had mad that little bit more you would be in that class the middle class....and that my friend is close enough to middle class....do you think that the middle class should get more of a break than they do and stop carrying the american load?

and thats my issue...we're hardly rich. DH works two jobs and I own my own business....no word of a lie its getting to the point he should just quit his second job, I should let my business fold and then we can start cashing in on some of the government extras devised for the lower middle class...it has nothing to do with being lazy OR stupid...its just that I don't get why someone who makes 10k less than we do pays no taxes and gets a 5k check from the government where we pay several thousand in taxes and our rebate was a whopping 30 bucks...

 

[Mkgaapril]

no, and I'm totally NOT picking on you....but if you are able to afford to go to Disney and live comfortably with 4 kids, do you really need that 44? thats more the point....its the notion that somehow everyone is entitled to same "standard" of living including Disney trips, cell phones, cable tv, etc etc


and really to me its NOT just EIC, it plays into rising gas prices and people not conserving, and the notion that the "luxuries" of life are not luxuries but rather expectations in this country. Way too many people at various SES's are living beyond their means as if it is their birth right to do so....EIC plays into this. I really do not get what the point of it is to be honest....

you totally get it...

 

[HelenePA]

no, and I'm totally NOT picking on you....but if you are able to afford to go to Disney and live comfortably with 4 kids, do you really need that 44? thats more the point....its the notion that somehow everyone is entitled to same "standard" of living including Disney trips, cell phones, cable tv, etc etc


and really to me its NOT just EIC, it plays into rising gas prices and people not conserving, and the notion that the "luxuries" of life are not luxuries but rather expectations in this country. Way too many people at various SES's are living beyond their means as if it is their birth right to do so....EIC plays into this. I really do not get what the point of it is to be honest....

No I dont need that 44$ but then again I dont live in a high cost living area. What about those who are? That might pay a bill for them. Then again I dont understand how people are making 150K and are "just getting by" like some people keep saying?? If I can afford 4 kids and a disney trip along with a house car and everything else making 40k a year why can't the 150K people??

 

[StrollPatrolMom]

No I dont need that 44$ but then again I dont live in a high cost living area. What about those who are? That might pay a bill for them. Then again I dont understand how people are making 150K and are "just getting by" like some people keep saying?? If I can afford 4 kids and a disney trip along with a house car and everything else making 40k a year why can't the 150K people??

well, we DO live in a high cost of living area, and thats part of MY frustration. I hardly ever SEE my DH...I'm pretty much insane for the vast majority of my day trying like a crazy person to get my business off of the ground. I posted in the Con thread I have noticed and am stressed over the 40 increase on pretty much every product in the grocery store. If we did not own our home our income is such here we'd actually qualify for a partial rent credit based on our income. I think many people are saying EVERYONE should pay their fair share, whatever that fair share is even if its 20...just to have some stake in the government. I am disgusted at threads I see where people take a EIC check for several thousand and take a deluxe disney trip, thats totally nuts!! People, all people, should live within their means....luxuries are not entitlements, vacations, cell phones, nice vehicles, owning a home...they need to be earned, not handed over with anyone else's tax money.

ps, military people are underpaid....perhaps repealing EIC, we can give our brave men and women a RAISE

 

[Mkgaapril]

No I dont need that 44$ but then again I dont live in a high cost living area. What about those who are? That might pay a bill for them. Then again I dont understand how people are making 150K and are "just getting by" like some people keep saying?? If I can afford 4 kids and a disney trip along with a house car and everything else making 40k a year why can't the 150K people??

do you think that statment is saying the same thing about the middle class that you don't like being said about the lower middle class....I agree with you it is sad that they can't make it...most have also lost jobs,

 

[LUVMYTINK]

do you really think this rebate is going to help? or is it just going to float many for just a month or two longer until the bottom is pulled out...

Who knows, maybe in certain situations it can help people.
I guess it depends on the individual's monetary situation.

 

[HelenePA]

do you think that statment is saying the same thing about the middle class that you don't like being said about the lower middle class....I agree with you it is sad that they can't make it...most have also lost jobs,

Yes I do think its the same. I just can't believe people are making 150k and they can't make it?? That is TRIPLE of what my DH makes. Okay loud children gotta go so much more I wanna say. I just hate that people look down on EVERYONE who gets the EIC this is the 2nd thread I've posted on about it.

 

[rparmfamily]

Wait a second??? You are on people for taking EIC or qualifying but don't we ALL take every little tax break/deduction that we can legally take?

And also you want to have a say in what people spend their tax refund on if they get an EIC? SO what if they want to go to Disney with it! What do you think they should do...??

I know I don't need someone lecturing me about the fact that we pay very little taxes and somehow don't live within our means and shouldn't vacation. We drive 1 car, have no cell phones, no cable, yada yada!

 

[Mkgaapril]

Wait a second??? You are on people for taking EIC or qualifying but don't we ALL take every little tax break/deduction that we can legally take?

And also you want to have a say in what people spend their tax refund on if they get an EIC? SO what if they want to go to Disney with it! What do you think they should do...??

I know I don't need someone lecturing me about the fact that we pay very little taxes and somehow don't live within our means and shouldn't vacation. We drive 1 car, have no cell phones, no cable, yada yada!

Is there anything wrong with taking deductions to get back money you have earned?

 

[englishrose47]

As stated this could get ugly! So I will try to be as positive as possible !! For all of you who are fortunate to have jobs that pay enough to live on and have a good life I am happy for you !! However some families are not that fortunate,not that they don't work hard or long hours but for what ever reasin are single parents! The cost of daycare is VERY HIGH and I understand their costs but without theEIC these families would be on the welfare rolls and that would be costing you even more! EIC gives them the chance to carch up on bills buy clothes for the kids or maybe something for the house!To resent them getting the stimulus check is mean spirited , they deserve to havr something extra just as much as anyone else and in fact they are more likely to STIMULATE the economy as savings accounts are not in their budget. If you are fortunate enough to have a high enough salary don't begrudge the working poor a little exra sunshine in their lives!!

 

[Mkgaapril]

My husband works 75 hours a week, we work hard...we know all about "SAVING" and preparing...based on what I have been reading on all the threads there are not many that will use this money for the things you have mentioned. And if you think about it there are many people who could work more hours and maybe wouldn't need the EIC.

I don't think most have a problem with the extra money being spent on things needed....that being rebate or EIC...the problem is that you have thousands of tax dollars taken from your pay and you are forced to live in a budget and you watch others throw it away and not use it for things needed...atleast that is what I am taking from all of this.

 

[rparmfamily]

I don't think most have a problem with the extra money being spent on things needed....that being rebate or EIC...the problem is that you have thousands of tax dollars taken from your pay and you are forced to live in a budget and you watch others throw it away and not use it for things needed...atleast that is what I am taking from all of this.

Others are going to throw it away? Live off $30K on a daily basis and tell me that you don't have to live on a budget and be frugal? These are people who live paycheck to paycheck and are struggling to make ends meet...WORKING people, not "welfare queens",etc.

I'm not saying you've never lived in 30K for a family of 4 so if you have then you should remember that when you live on that much money day to day that it's NOT A LOT of cash.

BTW even though I'm arguing I'm not taking it personal, LOL. We haven't gotten the EIC in years.

 

[DizzyKitten]

Im sorry but I'm wondering if this thread is about the stimulus package, EIC or both?

I've read some of the posts and I'm not going to name any names but it seems that certain people are not happy that other people get EIC. I'm confused by that anger. Is that anger actually jealousy? Does it come from the notion of "hey they get extra money that I don't get it and I want it too?" I could be wrong but I don't think I am. (Not judging anybody, we all get that feeling sometimes when we see something we want that someone else is getting-seemingly for free)

I've discussed this with a friend of mine and I find that typically ppl who do NOT get EIC tend to judge, stereotype and look down upon those who DO. Just like any group, you can not lump everyone together and say they are all alike. Not everyone who gets EIC is a single mother on welfare that only works 2-3 months, has 5 kids by 6 different men(you do the math,).

It may be hard for some of you to hear but not everyone in this country is given the exact same opportunities in life, therefore everyone's life works out differently. Whether it's from choices they've made or from choices that were made for them.

I have heard that the middle class is basically supporting the system and by no means is that fair. But I find it strange that I don't see any threads on how rich people get to take all these extra tax breaks. I mean we can say that certain luxuries are not rights, and they are not. But I don't see any threads titled, "Do you think people who can afford DVC should also get free dining?"

Those of you who are angry that you will not receive the stimulus payment because, according to IRS, you make too much money; please consider the purpose of the stimulus and maybe you will understand. The idea behind it is in the name, "stimulus". They want to "stimulate" the economy. We can debate whether or not this will actually do anything for the long term but that's another thread.
Ask yourself, would the economy be "stimulated" if they gave the money to the upper class? Most likely not, they'd put that money into savings or something like that. If you give it to those who are barely making it, those people are far more likely to spend it. Whether they spend it on WDW or new cell phones or a new HDTV or a Wii is none of anyone's business, as long as they spend it.

Think about it, money does not trickle down. If it did, the poor would not stay poor for long.

BTW, is anyone angry that those people on fixed incomes are getting the rebates too? I don't see anyone bashing them. I mean, come on, they didn't pay any taxes either. Like I said before it's all due to stereotyping of certain people and it just isn't right.

Also, you can flame me if it is your heart's desire but it will not change the stimulus package, who gets it and what they do with the money.

 

[graygables]

what do you think should happen to help the middle class. and if you don't mind what can the govt. do to help the middle class?

EVERYONE should read A Letter to America by David Boren. Seriously. AND everyone should hold their representatives to the Congress accountable. Only when the constituency and NOT the special interest groups hold their feet to the fire will we see positive change.

That said, I agree with Boren's approach to saving the dwindling middle class (with a few caveats) Also, please note that I've been a conservative Republican all my life, so although my responses skew liberal democrat, I find myself more centrist these days.

Anyway, Boren's suggestions include a more progressive tax structure (I vote for the flat tax, he thinks the wealthier should pay more/fewer breaks), federal scholarships extended to middle class children (not loans, but he's also a uni president, so that plays into it some), and universal health care. Yes, I know some out there (particularly the uber-conservatives) will balk at that last one, but, if you stop and think about it, you're paying for it anyway in higher medical costs, higher insurance premiums, and higher co-pays. There is no reason why the government cannot implement a 2-tier system that includes current employer-sponsored insurance plans and adds a "buy in" plan (sliding scale) for a Tricare-type coverage (military) for those who have no employer-provided plans (like those of us who are self-employed).

Those are the 3 areas that seem to hit the middle class harder than others and where there is the least support: taxes, education, health care.

We, the middle class, are going to need more than campaign rhetoric. We need men and women representing US, We the People, and not just the ones with the fullest pockets who want to fill them even more. We the People are also going to have to come to terms with some paradigm shifts, like, the United States is in some serious trouble within a global economy and this nation's years of being "all that" are over. We are going to have to hunker down, eat some humble pie, and tighten our belts for awhile until the course we're on can shift. The wealthy are going to have to realize that they DO have a social responsibility and they are going to have to step up to the plate or there will be unpleasant responses to their "let them eat cake" attitudes. We, as Americans, seem to think we are immune from food riots or killing for a tank of gas, but we thought we were immune to terrorism, too...

There may come a day when our troops are pulled out of Iraq...to police our own streets.

 

[Mkaz]

My husband works 75 hours a week, we work hard...we know all about "SAVING" and preparing...based on what I have been reading on all the threads there are not many that will use this money for the things you have mentioned. And if you think about it there are many people who could work more hours and maybe wouldn't need the EIC.

I don't think most have a problem with the extra money being spent on things needed....that being rebate or EIC...the problem is that you have thousands of tax dollars taken from your pay and you are forced to live in a budget and you watch others throw it away and not use it for things needed...atleast that is what I am taking from all of this.

I get what you are saying, but it's not always that simple. In many households, both parents are working at least one job. Some are working two jobs just to make ends meet because of the rising cost of gas, groceries, fuel oil etc. People are being crushed by the gas prices. They are being forced to choose between gas and groceries. It's really sad.

There are those of us who qualify for the EIC, but do not receive any tax refund. In fact, this is the first time in six years that we haven't had to pay in. Last year we paid in an additional $5,000.00 in taxes on top of what we already paid. Don't just assume that just because somebody qualifies for EIC that they are receiving a refund, because that's not always the case.