A Trip Report, A Lesson and A Rant.....

Dean said:
... For me it's my wife, daughter and sister that have to have ... hair dryer (even when the resort has one), ....

Dean, have you ever tried to dry your hair that's longer than 1 inch long with those hotel hair dryers? We'd have to get up an hour earlier just to get the hair dry to go to the parks.
 
bom_noite said:
The whole purpose of the drop-off was so we could get moving and get to MK. I am cheap, but, pay for service and had an envelope with 20 Bucks in it that I was prepared to give the Bell staff.

I know that this is going to sound mean, but 20.00 for 15/20 bags?! We tip on average 3-5 a bag. :rotfl: .

On the flip side, we were waiting for a bus to come and take us to the parks and there was a car unloading in the wrong spot and the bus couldn't pull in. It made for a long wait for the person to come and move his/her car.

Also, one of the "perks" of staying at OKW is how close you can park. With 8 people you could easily take a bag or two each and unload yourselves. Even my 75 and 78 year old grandparents can handle that on their own.
 
bobbiwoz said:
I'm glad you had a mostly wonderful trip. Wonderful weather, low crowds - it sounds heavenly.

A Blizzard Beach report would be appreciated. We intend to spend our first day there and it's been a few years since we've been there.

Bobbi :)

BB was Fantastic! Great weather. The rides are all awesome! Some comments / advice though:

:goodvibes While the parks were empty all week, BB was PACKED on Thursday. On Wed my daughter and I caught the Bus from OKW to AK at 1:00 PM. That Bus go's to BB first then on to AK. The Lot was 1/3 less full on Wed then Thurs.

I am not sure the reason: 1) Their was a chance of rain on Wed through noon. 2) Folks just wait and do the Water Parks after they have done the Parks.

I think both were the cause, but, next time we plan to do the Water Park early in the week. I think you are well advised for hitting it early!

:confused3 I forgot that they charge you $1 a towel at the Water Parks (same towels as at the resorts). Next time I will definately lift a few towels from the Resort and take them with us (and of course return then). Of course, all towels probably end up in the same general Towel place in the end. I am not cheap - it is just the principle of the matter!

:rolleyes: Not sure I like the Wave Pool at BB. It is too shallow and is all cement at the bottom (what else would it be Bom? - Duh). I am looking forward to trying the one at TL next time!

:grouphug: The Family Raft Ride (name escapes me) is just awesome. We had a 60 year old with us - it was a bit bumpy for her - but - she enjoyed it and was none the worse for wear!

:woohoo: We also had a 3 year old and she got a big kick out of the Wave Pool, Raft Ride, Lazy River and Kids pools! NOTE: If you take a young one you can get a small life-preserver! Not sure if they charge you - and they have smaller tubes at the Lazy River.

:guilty: They only have one main Food place! And, it was packed by noon (about 30 deep in all lines). I will remember to pack a lunch next time! You only get 8 or 9 hours there - so why wait in line for an hour to get lunch?

:cool1: Hey, do not kid yourself - if you are not in average shape the walks up those mtns are not easy. They do have the Ski-Lift though!

Ok, here is the story of the day at BB: My 12-year old Daughter is pretty adventerous! She will ride anything but was a bit skiddish about Summit Plummet (141 feet straight down and you hit speeds of 55 mph!). I had done it two years ago and told her - "look you can handle this!"

She agree's and we start the very long climb to the top! We are in line about 10 feet from the top when this big 20-something muscle-bound dude chickens out at the top!

He starts heading down the stairs and slips and twists his knee BAD! So, bad they have to send the First Aid crew up the hill to get him down!

I really felt for that guy at that moment! His knee was hurt, his pride was hurt worse! He has to be thinking "Man, I should have just rode down the thing!"

I was happy that this did not panic my daughter! She rode down and then bugged me to race to the top to do it again! I find that Everest is invigorating. On the other hand, SP is just down right terrifying! It is fast and a bit rough! At 44 I think that was my last ride down it! You get the feeling that if they had a small ramp at the bottom you would have been launced a mile or so!
 
Deb & Bill said:
Dean, have you ever tried to dry your hair that's longer than 1 inch long with those hotel hair dryers? We'd have to get up an hour earlier just to get the hair dry to go to the parks.
LOL, don't encourage them. I usually give in unless we're flying. I told my wife she could come to Disneyland with me only if she didn't bring "extra" clothes and didn't bring a hair dryer. There was also a maximum bag capacity she had to deal with. If we'd had a W/D like we do at most timeshares, I'd have limited her further.
 

Dean said:
For me it's my wife, daughter and sister that have to have matching shoes, hair dryer (even when the resort has one), matching makeup, etc, etc.

Died when I read this Deano! Prior to the DVC trip I took a 26 day trip to Europe! A driver was coming to pick me up at 4:00 PM - my wife rolled over when I started packing at 3:40 (and concluded at 3:48)!

It is WDW - what in the world do you need? I took: 3 T-shirts, 2 pairs of shorts, 3 pairs of socks, 1 Swim Suit, 6 Undies, 3 ballcaps (I like my hats!) and 1 Toothbrush! NOTE: One of my favorite T-Shirts was dirty - so I packed it and washed it at DVC! Total Elapsed Time: 3 Minutes!

Ok, ok, ok: I am a savvy and experienced traveller! Had I not been I am thinking it would have taken me 4 minutes!

My wife has no time for these boards as the single-digit dance is natures of way of telling her packing must begin!
 
I think we need to look at the complaints . . .

1) Bus lane.
. . . the inner lane is used for DME
. . . the outer lane is used for internal WDW buses
. . . there is no car lane
. . . there is convenient LABELED drop-off parking and luggage-parking
. . . this is adjacent to the bus zones

2) Bell Services
. . . there is limited bell service at most DVC's
. . . this was the vote by OKW-DVC members, not a DVC budget issue
. . . because you park at the room, members don't want to pay extra bellmen
. . . if we want full bell service, then we need to pay for it (yep, I own, also)
. . . with limited service, there are not enough people to room deliver
. . . sometimes yes, but mainly no (or at least not in a timely manner)
. . . it is also possible no bellmen were available
. . . you might have only seen the scheduler/dispatcher
. . . they are not people who handle luggage

3) Grumpy CM
. . . maybe the bus was actually around the corner or at the stop sign
. . . timing is an issue
. . . many people don't move with just pleasant conversation
. . . lots of folks would rather argue
. . . maybe the CM got this impression
. . . this could have also been the airline CM and not a WDW CM

4) Room Delivery
. . . the DVC bellmen deliver DME bags
. . . they usually don't deliver self-tote bags
. . . if you need help, they can come to your room
. . . many folks can't tote bags three flights of stairs

5) Room Unpacking Yourself
. . . as another stated, I don't know why you didn't unload luggage
. . . you were at the room freshing up
. . . you probably had time
. . . especially since you checked-in at 5:00am
. . . the parks don't open until 9:00am


NOTE: I know you felt disadvantaged, but DVC is not like a hotel. I also travel internationally (a great deal), and DVC does not compare in service. This is a timeshare and not a hotel. The level of service is dictated by the members and for what level they wish to pay (eg, OKW members voted to not have bell service on third shift, and they voted on how many bellmen to have during normal hours). On this issue, I think DVC-WDW was correct.
 
bom_noite said:
Died when I read this Deano! Prior to the DVC trip I took a 26 day trip to Europe! A driver was coming to pick me up at 4:00 PM - my wife rolled over when I started packing at 3:40 (and concluded at 3:48)!

It is WDW - what in the world do you need? I took: 3 T-shirts, 2 pairs of shorts, 3 pairs of socks, 1 Swim Suit, 6 Undies, 3 ballcaps (I like my hats!) and 1 Toothbrush! NOTE: One of my favorite T-Shirts was dirty - so I packed it and washed it at DVC! Total Elapsed Time: 3 Minutes!

Ok, ok, ok: I am a savvy and experienced traveller! Had I not been I am thinking it would have taken me 4 minutes!

My wife has no time for these boards as the single-digit dance is natures of way of telling her packing must begin!
No toothpaste or deodorant or shaving stuff? Are you the guy in line next to me that makes me drop back a few people? Just kidding! I bet you 'borrow' the rest of the stuff from wifey!
 
TheRustyScupper said:
I think we need to look at the complaints . . .

1) Bus lane.
. . . the inner lane is used for DME
. . . the outer lane is used for internal WDW buses
. . . there is no car lane

I looked before I drove in - and - I double checked after. The Lane said "Check-In / Bag Drop-Off", or something to this effect.

2) Bell Services
. . . there is limited bell service at most DVC's
. . . this was the vote by OKW-DVC members, not a DVC budget issue
. . . because you park at the room, members don't want to pay extra bellmen
. . . if we want full bell service, then we need to pay for it (yep, I own, also)
. . . with limited service, there are not enough people to room deliver

Did not know about the vote regarding bellmen! Never heard of it, and, have never recieved any correspondance stating that. Nor, did they tell me that when I checked in. So, how was I to know? How would anyone else know?

I will say that is the first time anyone raised that point in the week this post has been on the board.


. . . it is also possible no bellmen were available
. . . you might have only seen the scheduler/dispatcher
. . . they are not people who handle luggage


I saw three of three CM's with the Blue and White striped Bell suit on. I have stayed at OKW on 6 occassions. I am certain they were Bell personnel.


3) Grumpy CM
. . . maybe the bus was actually around the corner or at the stop sign
. . . timing is an issue

It was not - I looked. I looked at the time, and, the bus was not there or in site as we circled out of the parking lot.

. . . many people don't move with just pleasant conversation
. . . lots of folks would rather argue
. . . maybe the CM got this impression

Maybe she did, but, I think you have this impression I may have walked in barking demands! You need to meet me - nothing is further then the truth! I have never in my life made demands to people - I ask nicely. And, after she told me to move I simply rephrased the request in an other manner! I felt "Maybe she did not understand?" Never did I raise my voice!

I only got miffed (internally) the third time she addressed me. That third time was like the first two: "Here sir, is what I cannot do for you!" Ok, in her defense she was probably in charge of getting those folks on the bus and getting their bags loaded! I can understand that!

While I am certain was not argumentative, I just now triple checked with my wife. I asked: "Did I ever raise my voice or portray myself in those terms?"

She said: "No, you just acted utterly confused?"

Frankly, I was embarassed at how the CM acted. And, I could have gone out of my way to see her attitude was changed. And, maybe I should have! But, I have not. Nor will I.

She was young, she was having a bad day. Who knows what occurred 5 minutes before I got to her?


. . . this could have also been the airline CM and not a WDW CM

Perhaps she was, but, she was wearing the Bell suit and had a WDW name tag. So, by defacto she was a WDW CM and represented DVC, OKW and WDW. That is not an excuse in any way, shape or form. I think you would agree with that.

4) Room Delivery
. . . the DVC bellmen deliver DME bags
. . . they usually don't deliver self-tote bags
. . . if you need help, they can come to your room
. . . many folks can't tote bags three flights of stairs


On two occassions we have moved from one DVC to another and in all cases they delivered big bags, small bags, tote bags and food containers.

Bell people, are, in my opinion in the business of Bag Management. That is their roll and how they make a living! I have used the exact same service in the past with no issue. Why would I have thought that service was discontinued?

Had she said: "Despite outward appearences and the fact that my title is Bell Person - We dont do bags" I would have walked away happy. Confused, but happy!


5) Room Unpacking Yourself
. . . as another stated, I don't know why you didn't unload luggage
. . . you were at the room freshing up
. . . you probably had time
. . . especially since you checked-in at 5:00am
. . . the parks don't open until 9:00am

If you read through all of the posts I think you will see what my intention was. To get the bags secured and out of a hot car so we could move along for the day. I was trying to save time.

We were at an off-site hotel. I checked in at 5:00, but, I was the only one awake at that moment. The other bags were not packed! I said in previous posts that the entire crew got to OKW at 9:00 (or a bit after). Not OKW's fault, our fault.

A large part of the time (between 5 AM and 9 AM) was going to pick up a friends car! That car is used by my friend when he is in Florida (5 times a year). The car was at a Bar his brother owns. In addition to owning the bar, my friends brother is also a parttime Bellmen at POR (and occassionally OKW).

I called him 2 nights ago to see if I had made a mistake. He was laughing when he heard the story! His direct quote was: "That is unacceptable! Why didn't you demand to see a manager? They would have gotten things done!"

I asked: "What would you have done had you been there?" His response was: "I would have said: Sure. Would you mind moving the car to the lot? And, it may be 5 or 10 minutes before I can get to you as we have a DME bus coming any second now and I have to help load it so these folks can get to the airport!".

If that had been done, we would not be discussing this now!



NOTE: I know you felt disadvantaged, but DVC is not like a hotel. I also travel internationally (a great deal), and DVC does not compare in service. This is a timeshare and not a hotel. The level of service is dictated by the members and for what level they wish to pay (eg, OKW members voted to not have bell service on third shift, and they voted on how many bellmen to have during normal hours). On this issue, I think DVC-WDW was correct.

The one thing you hit on that makes some sense was a OKW/DVC vote on the roll and number of bellstaff. I have never heard of this and I will check in to that.

What I know I am right about is:

1) I handled myself calmly. I never raised my voice! I treated the CM with respect!
2) A CM is in the Customer Service Industry and should be judged accordingly.
3) The CM's at WDW should be a cut above. This one was not.
4) I believe that DVC resorts should have Bell Staff to assist with this. I understand not everyone agree's with my opinion! But, I am not sure how you can rate yourself as a 5-Star resort and not offer this.

I said upfront this was a small problem - and I feel that now! I was a bit mad, I was a bit embarassed, but I also wanted to point out to others that perhaps the procedures had changed.

That was my only goal!
 
Judique said:
No toothpaste or deodorant or shaving stuff? Are you the guy in line next to me that makes me drop back a few people? Just kidding! I bet you 'borrow' the rest of the stuff from wifey!

I forgot - I did pack deoderant. Stole my sons razor!
 
TAKitty said:
I know that this is going to sound mean, but 20.00 for 15/20 bags?! We tip on average 3-5 a bag. :rotfl: .

On the flip side, we were waiting for a bus to come and take us to the parks and there was a car unloading in the wrong spot and the bus couldn't pull in. It made for a long wait for the person to come and move his/her car.

Also, one of the "perks" of staying at OKW is how close you can park. With 8 people you could easily take a bag or two each and unload yourselves. Even my 75 and 78 year old grandparents can handle that on their own.

Wow - $3 to $5 a bag is a ton! I have always heard $1 per bag! I will take that under consideration! Thanks for pointing that out!

I agree on the parking at OKW. And, trust me, in retrospect I wish we would have done just that to begin with. It took the 3 guys (me, my son and BIL) 2.5 trips to get it all in.

It was merely a way to get to the park and save some time. A strategy I empolyed last year at OKW with success.
 
bom_noite said:
. . . Wow - $3 to $5 a bag is a ton! . . .

1) At OKW, that is about the going rate.
2) ANYWHERE else, $1/bag is just fine.
3) At OKW, the bellman totes the bags up three flights of stairs.
4) That includes the 50-pounders!
5) Only three of the building have elevators.
6) At the end of the day, that is tiring.
7) Bellman at OKW burn-out regularly.
8) To last three years as a bellman at OKW is a lifetime.


NOTE: CBR doesn't have guest elevators, but it does have freight elevators. POR doesn't have elevators in some of the buildings, but has less flights of stairs.
 
I would never even have thought that Car drop off was for guests with their own car. I would have thought that meant taxis, limos, etc. I would simply have driven to my unit, either handled my own luggage or if I needed assistance due to being unable to carry my own bags, I would have called from the room.

As far as what happens with bags on foreign trips, last time I looked, OKW was in the US. ;)
 
Sammie said:
I would never even have thought that Car drop off was for guests with their own car. I would have thought that meant taxis, limos, etc. I would simply have driven to my unit, either handled my own luggage or if I needed assistance due to being unable to carry my own bags, I would have called from the room.

As far as what happens with bags on foreign trips, last time I looked, OKW was in the US. ;)

Trust me Sammie, you and others are making me believe that perhaps I had unrealistic expectations!

And, that is what the boards are for! Thanks for your comment!
 
bom_noite said:
1) The CM gave me no alternatives - did not figure out a way to work with me. How about a "Can you park over there and we will collect the bags from you!" Which would have recieved a "Great idea - thanks!" from me. A little creative thinking go's a long way!

2) No advanced notice - that I am aware of - was circulated. The stupid sign still says Car Baggage Drop-Off! Maybe a notice was sent - but - I missed it.

3) This will be a disadvantage to many!

I have to say, I agree with you on this one, and maybe I am out of line here as a new DVC member, but even though this is suppose to be my "home away from home" I do expect basic customer service and friendliness. I understand that Bell Service may be limited at the DVC resorts, but every hotel I have ever stayed at has a front drop off area for guest cars, limos, etc. so I too would have assumed I could park there to unload. I also don't think its unreasonable to ask for help. I mean, you were asking not demanding!
I too would have thought $20 was a nice tip for what typically would be 10-15 minutes of work. As a teacher I don't make that much in 10 minutes!!! :rotfl: Of course, I have never been to OKW and some are making it sound like it would be a much larger project than 10-15 minutes. Does DVC not have baggage carts? Other timeshares I have stayed at have carts for bell service and guest use.
More than the lack of help, it would have been the attitude of the cast member that bothered me, and from reading your origional post, it sounds like that was what bothered you the most too. I hope that the boards here are a place where you can vent your disappointments, and I understand why you were disappointed but I am glad it did not ruin your trip!
 
We noticed during our May trip this year that the Bell Services CMs were not what they used to be. We stayed at VWL, Poly, BWV, and WL (yeah, we like trying different places). The folks at the Polynesian actually did a pretty good job, but BWV was terrible.

We figured that DME has taken away much of the work (and tips) that they used to get. With that said, we have used DME, and enjoyed the convenience very much.

During our many past trips, it always seemed like they would almost fight over who got to open the door for you and help you with your bags. Then, they would say something like, "Okay, so you have 1... 2... 3... 4... 5... 6.. 7 bags. Again that was 7 bags." We figured that meant, "Hmmm let's see, 7 bags that I'm going to take care of for you. Seven bags times 1 or 2 dollars per bag comes to..." I joke about it, but, we liked getting that kind of service. Dealing with my family's luggage was something that I just didn't want to worry about.

This May, when we pulled into BWV, a bunch of CMs stood around and didn't even acknowledge us. After waiting several minutes, I opened my window and politely asked someone where I should park to get help with my bags. After getting their attention, the service was pretty good. We had similar experiences at VWL / WL. Maybe they get more valet parking than luggage since DME.

I do like the idea about having baggage carts available for members. With the long hallways :rolleyes1 and huge parking lots, those trips to carry our own bags can be tiresome :) . Oh well, maybe we should give OKW a try!!!

I'm glad you had a great trip!

Ryan
 
BeccaG said:
. . . I have never been to OKW and some are making it sound like it would be a much larger project than 10-15 minutes. Does DVC not have baggage carts? Other timeshares I have stayed at have carts for bell service and guest use . . .

1) OKW is spread out widely.
2) They do have A FEW luggage carts.
3) But, push a luggage cart 3/4-mile to the back villas?
4) Plus, except for three bldgs, there are no elevators.
5) That means pulling bags up three flights of stairs.
6) At Deluxe resorts, though, carts are for bellmen use, and not guest use.
 
bom_noite said:
Trust me Sammie, you and others are making me believe that perhaps I had unrealistic expectations!

And, that is what the boards are for! Thanks for your comment!

Not really unrealistic but one has to put things in perspective. One and I hope I was not too blunt about the Europe comment, is that regardless of how luggage is treated in Europe, you are not there.

My Dad lives in an area where real estate is much less than real estate in my area. Everytime I discuss with him the posibility of buying a house, he always comments "No way would I pay that much they are over priced. In our area you can buy a house for half that".

Well his comment is a moot point, because I am not buying a house in his area and all his comment does is frustrate me. If you let your perceptions of how things are done in Europe cloud your expectations of how things are done at OKW, you too will be frustrated.

Also one must never assume that because one was allowed to do something in the past or even the day before at Disney, one can do that again. Frustration will appear again.

Dean had some good points, time shares traditionally are not known for any type of luggage assistance. Most of the ones on the coast we frequent provide no type of bell services at all.

Also one must know one's product. OKW due to the fact that very few buildings have elevators and the luggage carts if they have any can be quite a distance from each building is really set up for the guest to deal with their luggage on their own.

Luckily at Disney DVC there are choices, if full service luggage assistance is needed or wanted I would suggest VWL, BWV or BCV.

I am glad you had a good trip and hopefully your next one you will be even better. :thumbsup2
 
BeccaG said:
Other timeshares I have stayed at have carts for bell service and guest use.
Most of the ones I've been at that offered limited or no Bell services did provide carts as do many limited service hotels like Hampton Inn, many Holiday Inns, Fairfield, Courtyards, etc. Unfortunately DVC does not provide them for routine guest use. Given the nature of OKW, I guess it'd be difficult to do so, SSR would be more workable in this area I'd think due to the building set up. Every single Marriott I've been to as a timeshare did not have Bell Services and they all provided carts in each building.

But I never remember hearing that OKW refused services when asked though I can hear their thoughts if they had to truck across the resort to unload the car of someone capable of doing it themselves.
 
Dean said:
Most of the ones I've been at that offered limited or no Bell services did provide carts as do many limited service hotels like Hampton Inn, many Holiday Inns, Fairfield, Courtyards, etc. Unfortunately DVC does not provide them for routine guest use. Given the nature of OKW, I guess it'd be difficult to do so, SSR would be more workable in this area I'd think due to the building set up. Every single Marriott I've been to as a timeshare did not have Bell Services and they all provided carts in each building.

But I never remember hearing that OKW refused services when asked though I can hear their thoughts if they had to truck across the resort to unload the car of someone capable of doing it themselves.
I'm with you on most of these points too, Dean. When we went to Hawaii, neither timeshare resort we stayed at offered bell services, and one of them was a building with a lot of steps and no elevators in either location. I kind of assumed most timeshares were bell service free EXCEPT for OKW and DVC.

DH is another one who prefers to not have someone tote bags for him. Must be a "guy" thing....You know, be a manly man and take care of it yourself type of attitude. :teeth: Anyway, I do know that LOTS of folks use bell services at OKW, and often see folks bell service folks running golf cart type vehicles of bags and sometimes guests too, to their rooms. We usually rent a car, so seems redunant to us to expect bell services to come tote our bags for us when we are driving to the room anyway.
 
Hopefully just slightly off the subject but related- we will not have a car in December due to the extrememly inflated rates and will be using DME both ways. They did a wonderful job of getting our bags to the room this past week but we had a car to return to the airport so didn't use them for the return. We saw one family get on the bus with their luggage at Turtle Pond - the driver said we aren't supposed to carry luggage but let them do it anyway- they got off at the hospitality house. In Dec we will not be leaving for the airport on DME until 5:30PM so will need to store the luggage until then. I am planning to call bell services to pick it up and store it until 5 as we cannot check it since we are flying SW. Should we call the night before to arrange for pickup since we want to make the most of our last day there? If we are close to the HH we can just drag it over there ourselves but if we get lucky and get South Point that may be a different story. Any suggestions from the experts are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
 



















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