A quick comparision on illegal immigration!

Actually, the OP said


YOUR the one that threw in 2 for spanish. Jump to conclusions much?

Kristine
I didn't jump to a conclusion. I took a tiny baby step and there conclusion was.

If I'm wrong, please enlighten me. Which bank has you press 1 for English and 2 for some language other than Spanish? And which language do you get when you hit the 2?
 
So if a person can speak English but chooses not to - is that acceptable to you?

FTR, my daughter has classmates whose parents are here legally (from various countries) and do not speak a lick of English.

As for flags - the Pledge of Allegiance is not mandatory. I personally find the notion of swearing loyalty to a piece of fabric totally at odds with what America is supposed to represent. The freedom to fly whatever flag you want seems to me to be an excellent example of what America is.

In a work, school, medical, governmental interaction... Umm, no, it would not be acceptable to CHOOSE not to speak English in America. That's kinda like going to Paris and requiring your waiter to speak Swahili to get your order, versus carrying a French phrasebook and attempting to speak/point to various objects. At your own house? Heck yeah, speak whatever language you care to! I espouse Esperanto and American Sign Language! :rotfl:

I think we just disagree on our judgements of this situation. That's a testament to freedom of speech. *shrug*

Brandie
 
I didn't jump to a conclusion. I took a tiny baby step and there conclusion was.

If I'm wrong, please enlighten me. Which bank has you press 1 for English and 2 for some language other than Spanish? And which language do you get when you hit the 2?

Interesting logic you have there. When did you stop robbing convenience stores? Knowing you visit Fark, I almost asked you about kittens there. ;)

Brandie
 
I think if you went outside of this board you would find alot of people who are tired of the illegal immigrants in this country. The language problem is huge. I work in a hospital and I see so many nonspeaking families coming in. The majority of them have no insurance. It's hard to communicate with them. You have to hope that they have a young child with them to translate. I don't know why this country is looking the other way on this issue but it's getting really bad. I don't think it's too much to ask that if you live in this country you have some understanding of the english language.
 

Interesting logic you have there. When did you stop robbing convenience stores? Knowing you visit Fark, I almost asked you about kittens there. ;)

Brandie
It has been suggested that the OP is not speaking about Mexicans and that the "other language" on the phone is not Spanish.

So, again, please enlighten me. What language is it that the bank has people getting when they press 2?

ETA: I see your edited thing about Fark/kittens...I'm not in on the joke. You must have me confused with someone else. But it's cool. :)
 
It has been suggested that the OP is not speaking about Mexicans and that the "other language" on the phone is not Spanish.

So, again, please enlighten me. What language is it that the bank has people getting when they press 2?

Believe it or not, I'm not a mind reader, nor do I profess a knowledge of ALL banks' voice systems. Therefore, your logic is flawed, because you also do not possibly know ALL banking voice systems or have accounts at ALL banks.

I provided individual examples further up in the thread of non-Spanish language examples.

Brandie
 
Believe it or not, I'm not a mind reader, nor do I profess a knowledge of ALL banks' voice systems. Therefore, your logic is flawed, because you also do not possibly know ALL banking voice systems or have accounts at ALL banks.

I provided individual examples further up in the thread of non-Spanish language examples.

Brandie
Let me get this straight.

You believe that when the OP is on the line with the bank, they are having her press 1 for English, but the second language is NOT Spanish. It is some language that many illegal immigrants are speaking...so many that banks in NC have it as 2 on their automated systems...and you aren't sure what language it is, but it isn't Spanish.

That's your logical argument?
 
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Let me get this straight.

You believe that when the OP is on the line with the bank, they are having her press 1 for English, but the second language is NOT Spanish. It is some language that many illegal immigrants are speaking...so many that banks in NC have it as 2 on their automated systems...and you aren't sure what language it is, but it isn't Spanish.

That's your logical argument?

No, my logical argument is the writer of the piece (which, by the way, is not the OP) does not state specifically which language the phone system offers, nor does the writer give any specifics as to which bank they use.

That is all the piece supports logically. Anything else is a construct of your making, serving your own purposes, which merely seems to support the throwing of the race card, aka, Godwinning the thread.

Brandie
 
I was born and raised in Texas and my family has been here since before the Revolution. (It was Mexico back then. Does that make us Mexican? :rotfl2: )

DSis and I were discussing this "they do jobs Americans won't do" line, which I don't buy for a minute. Americans will do the jobs, but they're going to want a bit more money, be eligible for worker's comp, etc. NEWSFLASH: When illegal aliens become citizens, they're going to expect that too. Ooops, businesses.....Your cheap labor vanishes! Anyway, she's several years older and I asked her if she remembered any Mexicans being around when we were growing up, because I didn't remember seeing any until around the early to mid-80s. In Texas.....not the valley, though. She said I was remembering correctly.

Well, our yards were mowed, our houses got built, our children had sitters, the crops were planted and picked, the roads were maintained and the chicken factory kept shipping out drumsticks. Our world ran quite smoothly. It did not grind to a halt, yet there were no illegal aliens to "do the work Americans won't do" because Americans DID THE WORK. And if every illegal alien disappeared tomorrow, yes there would be an adjustment period, but we'd adapt and Americans would do the jobs again. Artificially depressed wages would rise and we'd pay more for some things, but I think that would be offset by what we're now spending on programs for illegal aliens. Grass would not be 2 feet tall in our yards and hotel rooms would indeed get cleaned. We would figure it out. If we can put a man on the moon, we can manage without illegal aliens.

After DSis and I talked, I wondered WHY there had been no (illegal) Mexicans in our part of Texas for so long. I mean, we're a border state. After the 1986 amnesty, illegal immigration snowballed, but why was it so limited before that, especially in my sister's and my youth? I started researching and also came across the program mentioned above, with the mega politically incorrect name of Operation Wetback, instituted by Eisenhower. Suddenly, all was explained.

Not even the most rabid anti-illegal immigration candidate will EVER mention Operation Wetback because of that name. But it does blow "it's not realistic to think we can deport them" right out of the water. Eisenhower didn't even deport that high a percentage. He made it unpleasant enough to stay in the US and took away the incentive to be here so that many self-deported and others decided not to come in the first place. The illegal immigrant population plummeted in a short time.

I'm not a racist, I'm a realist. If we're talking about Mexico, Mexico will never have any incentive to solve its problems so long as it can foist off its poor on the US. And as long as it can send its poor to the US, it will avoid solving its problems. The elite there have no reason to change things. They're doing fine. In 100 years, the situation will be the same. A true favor to Mexicans would be to seal that border and force Mexico face its problems and treat its own citizens decently. It has plenty of natural resources and there is no reason so many of its people should live in such poverty. Crossing into the US is a bandaid on a cancerous lesion. Mexico's presidents chuckle every time one of their citizens crosses the US border because it's one less headache for them and more money coming back to Mexico. I believe Mexico treats people who enter Mexico illegally....mainly from the south.....quite harshly and locks them away for a few years. Seems they only like illegals going in ONE direction. :rolleyes1

At any rate, who can blame someone for wanting to go where they can make enough money to help their family? Probably no one. But it is not OUR problem to fix, because the problem lies in their own country, wherever that may be. In the case of Texas, we have Mexico right next door. Illegal immigration from Mexico will never (almost) stop until Mexico improves the living conditions for its own people and it will NEVER do that until its hand is forced. It is high time that happened. The US cannot keep taking on an endless number of illegal aliens from Mexico (in this case) and Mexicans deserve better from their own government. They shouldn't have to flee their own country to be able to live a decent life. :sad2:

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Let me get this straight.

You believe that when the OP is on the line with the bank, they are having her press 1 for English, but the second language is NOT Spanish. It is some language that many illegal immigrants are speaking...so many that banks in NC have it as 2 on their automated systems...and you aren't sure what language it is, but it isn't Spanish.

That's your logical argument?


I think that you want someone to say it is about race so that you can further pick this fight. You seem to be dead set on the fact that the OP means spanish even though they did not mention it once in the post.

ETA: I have no idea what # 2 on the voicemail is, I don't care. I press one because I speak ENGLISH!

Kristine
 
No, my logical argument is the writer of the piece (which, by the way, is not the OP) does not state specifically which language the phone system offers, nor does the writer give any specifics as to which bank they use.

That is all the piece supports logically. Anything else is a construct of your making, serving your own purposes, which merely seems to support the throwing of the race card, aka, Darwinning the thread.

Brandie
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I think that you want someone to say it is about race so that you can further pick this fight. You seem to be dead set on the fact that the OP means spanish even though they did not mention it once in the post.

ETA: I have no idea what # 2 on the voicemail is, I don't care. I press one because I speak ENGLISH!

Kristine
Lying about it might confuse someone, but it doesn't confuse me.
 
In a work, school, medical, governmental interaction... Umm, no, it would not be acceptable to CHOOSE not to speak English in America. That's kinda like going to Paris and requiring your waiter to speak Swahili to get your order, versus carrying a French phrasebook and attempting to speak/point to various objects. At your own house? Heck yeah, speak whatever language you care to! I espouse Esperanto and American Sign Language! :rotfl:

I think we just disagree on our judgements of this situation. That's a testament to freedom of speech. *shrug*

Brandie


Freedom of speech - but only if it's English apparently. It's so ironic that you call it a freedom of speech issue when your whole position is that people shouldn't speak anything but English unless they are in the privacy of their own homes.

See this is the attitude that makes people think the immigration issue is really just a smokescreen for racism.

"Not-speaking-English" is NOT a trait that is exclusive to illegal immigrants. There are legal citizens of this country who do not (for whatever reason) speak English.

To continue to harp on "press 1 for English" and bilingual paperwork or whatever one's peeve is just hammers home the reality that it's not so much about immigration as it is about people who aren't like you.

If the issue is truly ONLY about legal vs. illegal immigration, you shouldn't care what a legal American citizen (like say - ME) chooses to speak as I sashay down the street waving my flag of choice.
 
Freedom of speech - but only if it's English apparently. It's so ironic that you call it a freedom of speech issue when your whole position is that people shouldn't speak anything but English unless they are in the privacy of their own homes.

See this is the attitude that makes people think the immigration issue is really just a smokescreen for racism.

"Not-speaking-English" is NOT a trait that is exclusive to illegal immigrants. There are legal citizens of this country who do not (for whatever reason) speak English.

To continue to harp on "press 1 for English" and bilingual paperwork or whatever one's peeve is just hammers home the reality that it's not so much about immigration as it is about people who aren't like you.

If the issue is truly ONLY about legal vs. illegal immigration, you shouldn't care what a legal American citizen (like say - ME) chooses to speak as I sashay down the street waving my flag of choice.

Illegal immigration will still remain, no matter how much you care to wish it away as just an issue of intolerance.

It's so EASY to think people are racist, isn't it? It's so EASY to not listen, to not work to fix societal issues, because the people objecting are "merely" racist.

Meanwhile, the term "illegal immigration" still is not bound by gender, age, ethnicity, or sexual orientation. Symptoms of the issue are failure to be able to communicate in public (such as in the emergency room, as one poster attested to), inability to support oneself and their family due to the need to "fly under the radar" (such as the aftermath of the ICE raid in Durango), and societal breakdown of social services like education and medical care. Those problems are not brought on or even solved by racism. They still exist despite your dismissal of any argument that ethnicity isn't the issue. Illegal behavior is the issue. No matter what country of origin, not paying into the system but yet requiring services is a major problem in America.

Those people on resident visas, such as the visiting doctorates I've worked with at the USDA, still paid payroll taxes under their own tax ID. They also paid property taxes and so on. That's completely different from illegal immigration, where the records don't exist or are falsified out of necessity. Oh, and all of them spoke some version of English, as did their children. Whether or not my ears worked well enough to distinguish what they were saying was my own darn fault, not theirs.

Brandie
 
This has certainly been interesting. Why do some of you keep insisting the OP was speaking of Hispanic (Mexican) illegals. If this is your nationality be proud of it but for goodness sakes get over it.

America has so many many illegals and people who really hate the American people that we are afraid to voice our opinions now because of such thinking. We also do not know who is here to terrorize our nation or who is here to learn and become a legal citizen to better themselves.

When I travel I have yet to see another country change their language to meet my needs. Indeed it is the other way around. Do we forget the age old saying "When in Rome do as the Romans do"?

I agree wholeheartly immigrants should spend some time learning English before they come to "our" country. Of course it is hard to learn a new language but if you want to live here that should be your first priority and if you are so proud of "your" country and want to fly your flag then go to your county, be proud, fly your flag and speak your language.
 
Illegal behavior is the issue. No matter what country of origin, not paying into the system but yet requiring services is a major problem in America.

If those are your issues - talk about them, not how annoying it is to hear "Press one for English."

I'm not saying that you are racist. I'm trying to show you why "your side", for lack of a better term, comes off as racist. Throwing in "and why can't they speak English" taints your argument. Your argument may be brilliant, but if it's hiding behind an "English only and wave the flag" sentiment, it's not going to be taken seriously (at least not by me).

If your issue is illegal behavior, then talk about illegal behavior. To the best of my knowledge, speaking a language other than English is not illegal.
 
If your issue is illegal behavior, then talk about illegal behavior. To the best of my knowledge, speaking a language other than English is not illegal.

I believe the OP's point was to take down the reward system for illegal behavior. That would make certain behaviors unrewarded.

I'm all for illegal aliens who are convicted of crimes to be deported. I don't agree with social services for illegal aliens. That also would be the time to be deported. If you are unable to support yourself and your family, it is time to be deported. As an illegal alien, you have no rights to taxpayer-provider services.

Emigrate legally, pay taxes, pass the citizenship test, come on in and stay! Heck, I'll even admit to liking the Canadian and Australian rules of a proof of income requirement. The only exceptions to that I see immediately are people needing asylum from their government; I'm sure there are other reasons!

At some point we need to stop rewarding all comers for reaching American soil and get serious about fixing our fiscal issues. Sticking our heads in the sand and saying, "But we're America! We're the Melting Pot!" is neither historically realistic nor helping us stay solvent.

Brandie
 
I believe the OP's point was to take down the reward system for illegal behavior. That would make certain behaviors unrewarded.

Yes, but the OP also contained references to languages other than English. That's the point I'm making.

The whole birdfeeding metaphor would have worked just fine without throwing in that "I'm tired of having to press one for English" bit.
 
Sheesh people. Why are we picking apart one tiny little line from the OP? The issue is about illegals using our resources much more than it is about the English language.
 


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