A "is this a good college" thread for all college searchers...

The loan discussion was weeks ago, I am sorry but I am tired of having that discussion with people online that I do not know.


I actually do not plan on going home often but I would like to be close to home if I do decide to. When I get sick I do not plan on going home but it would be nice if I got really sick to be able to have my mom come and see me for a day or two. Like I said, my cousin always tells me about how her first year away she got really sick and she wishes her mom could have gotten to her school to see her, not take her home, see her quicker.

Why do people keep saying 6 hours?:confused3 Nowhere did I mention that I want to go 6 hours away. I have said a few times that I want to go no more then 4 hours away so I do not even know why 6 hours keeps coming up when people address me.


I came on this thread to get some info on colleges, not advice on what area of the country to go to or how to pay for it. I just want to know how people's expereinces with schools are.
 
You are also discounting the wear and tear on a vehicle/oil, tires, etc. It isn't just gas prices that are an issue. Sorry, but I would take a $150 flight over $80 gas and 12 HOURS of round trip driving-assuming you are doing that in one day. If not, you add in $100/hotel room, each way, and now your round trip flight is less then a car trip up and back, even on an expensive flight.
Yeah, I'm discounting wear and tear because making a long drive to/from a college campus 3-4 times per year really isn't going to make a significant difference in the life of my car. How many miles does the average person drive in a year? I think it's around 10,000 -- so 3-4 trips back and forth to a college 6 hours away would add 1000-1400 miles to the year's total. More? Yes. Enough to make a significant difference in the life of the car? No. I can see that it might make a difference to a person who's leasing a car and has limited miles to drive, but that doesn't matter to us.

Also, I wouldn't get a hotel room, much less one each direction -- we live in the land of open spaces, and we don't think twice about making long drives. For example, last week the prom dress my daughter wanted couldn't be found in her size /color choice here in town, so I called around. After work on Friday we made a three-hour drive to pick it up. I didn't tell her what I was doing, and the look on her face when she came in late Friday night after a school event and saw that dress waiting for her was worth every minute in the car.

I suppose the real answer is, If your child picks out a college far away, consider your personal cost to get back and forth and consider that in the decision-making process.
I don't get why everyone on here is almost trying to convince me now to go far away from home . . . I also HATE to fly, will I do it if I have to?
I'm not trying to convince you anything about distance -- except that you should think seriously about what's best for you personally and to consider realistically the cost of transportation.

Since you hate to fly, you should be realistic about that too. Don't tell yourself it'll be okay, you'll live with that detail -- if you hate flying, then that's a big negative for far-away colleges.

For my own children, I'd prefer them to go 2-3 hours away. That's a very do-able drive -- in their early years, I could easily leave work, drive up to get them, and bring them home for the weekend. In a real emergency, I could be there in a reasonable amount of time. BUT at the same time, it's far enough away that they have to become independent; they can't run home mid-week to do laundry or eat dinner at home.
I do not see the car as a necessity either. I have 4 cousins who all went to 4 years of school and none of them had a car for any of their 4 years there. They all went to schools near big cities so public transportation was near and I have already said that a requirement for me is to be near a city and part of the reason is to have public transportation there.
I disagree:

I did two co-ops in college; both would've been completely impossible without a car of my own. One of the co-ops didn't give me all that much in the way of experience, etc., but the second one turned in to a real job after college, and it still looks great on my resume. Also, I met my husband there -- not that that could've been predicted.

My student teachers are all a good 20 miles and across a county line from the university, and we don't have public transportation. We do get a large number of student teachers at our school, so many of the students car-pool, but counting on someone else for a ride ALL THE TIME isn't possible. It'd be a rare student teacher in this area who could complete his or her student teaching semester without a car.

And when my daughter reaches her junior-senior clinicals, it'd be possible for her to use busses when she does the hospital portion of the class, but NOT when she's at the nursing home. Sure, she could beg other students for rides, but I haven't raised her to be a mooch. Just like the student teachers, it really wouldn't work here.

I agree that freshmen/sophomores don't really NEED cars on campus. When they need to leave campus only occasionally, coordinating their schedules with the city busses isn't a big deal. But Juniors and Seniors will likely lose out on important opportunities if they don't have their own transportation (like the two co-ops I mentioned above), and waiting for the bus DAILY in the SNOW (which will be the reality for my daughter) would get pretty old in a hurry.

Of course, as I said earlier -- good, bad, or otherwise -- we have very little public transportation here. We can't change that. That's probably why our colleges all allow freshmen to have cars too.
My advice to you (not that you want it or need it but at least it's free :lmao:)

1. Go to college close to home. From what you have described so far, you would be much better off sticking close to home. We do have a different definition of close to home. If you really want to avoid inconveniencing your family and you really want your mom to get you when you are sick, I would stick to someplace that is 2 hours or less from home.

2. If you stick close to home, I do not think you will have any need for a car. If you are 4 to 6 hours from home and you intend on going home as frequently as you seem to think you will, I would get a car because it would be more convenient on your family.

3. I would avoid student loans for most undergraduate degrees with very few exceptions. Journalism and history, the two majors you have mentioned, would be be including in undergraduate degrees where I would avoid loans.
I'll second all of that advice.
 
Whether you need a car or not really depends on too many variables. Obviously if you attend school near public transportation you wouldn't need it for internships. A couple of the schools disneylovin mentioned are in the Bronx, right on the subway lines, and many students there do internships in Manhattan. No car needed at all.

It also depends on your major. Obviously nurses have clinicals and student teachers have to get to their schools. But many students in other majors do their internships during the summers, so they don't need a car at school to get there.

My dd is a recent grad who got through four years without a car, and so did many of her friends. She did an internship during the school year, but it was local. She did other internships in NYC when she was home for the summers.

So I don't think one can say definitively one way or the other whether you will "need" a car. Some students do, some definitely do not. :) Of course, it could be convenient, but not necessary for those students. :)
 
MrsPete -- UNC Chapel Hill does not allow freshmen to have cars and at NC State they must park at the Centennial Campus -- they call it "car storage."

On another subject, my dad has numerous health problems and knows the Boone hospital very well. He had a couple of Appalachian student nurses last week, and my mom had fun talking to them. So she was telling me all about the ASU nursing program! Is she correct that this is a new program? Assuming she is, I think that does put your daughter in an unusually good position to get scholarships and to be recruited. On the other hand, are you concerned that they don't really have a track record?
 

Besides what you already mentioned what else did you think about Rider? Like the campus overall and area around it, it's on my list of schools I still want to look it.

Manhatten, Manhattenville, Purchase, Seton Hall, Fordham, and Ursinus are also all on that list. Since I already checked out all of the more competative schools in the Northeast I was interested in and hated most now Im just looking for places where I could nail big scholarships. I feel like Seton Hall is my new number once because it's a lot like my previous top school (more competative one) but I could get good money there.

Ursinus is very close to where I live. Its a fabulous school for going into the medical field, and even though I visited I'm not sure what other programs it was strong in. I personally did not like it, I saw main street and literally thought to myself "oh I'm still at home.." I personally feel as though there isn't a whole lot to do around here but there is the King of Prussia mall, and the main line is maybe 30 minutes away for amazing doctors.
 
I would LOVE LOVE LOVE and appreciate so much any information on George Mason, Virginia Tech, James Madison, Elon, University of Maryland College Park, University of Virginia, Virginia Commonwealth University, and Washington and Lee? TIA!!
 
App State does have a new nursing school. There is also a program that will be implemented soon involving a partnership with Wake Forest and Bowman Gray.
 
I would LOVE LOVE LOVE and appreciate so much any information on George Mason, Virginia Tech, James Madison, Elon, University of Maryland College Park, University of Virginia, Virginia Commonwealth University, and Washington and Lee? TIA!!

Maybe I can help! I'm from nova so I have lots of friends at all those schools. Brief impression of each of them:

Mason: lots of commuters, really strong econ and computer science departments, really big, okay housing and food, not much of a "campus culture" but really tight knit sub-communities in specific departments, getting more and more selective every year

Tech: pretty campus, great social life that's also really varied (so you can find your niche whether you're into going out or just hanging out), strong sense of community among students, AMAZING food, surprising amount of stuff to do in Blacksburg and on campus

JMU: Another one that's getting more and more selective; very active Greek life, pretty good food and housing, more of a "party school" kind of culture, although if you're not into that it shouldn't be hard to find similar friends, very much a "going out" kind of school

Elon: gorgeous campus and great academics. I think the girl/boy ratio is skewed towards girls, and in some ways that's reflected overall (one of my friends who goes here complains that it's a lot like high school in many circles in terms of the rumor mill); it kind of has a reputation for being rich and white

UMD College Park: All I know about it is what my dad's told me from his days here so it's probably really outdated, but he felt like the hugeness meant that you really had to find friends through activities rather than housing or stuff like that. The school unites over athletics and beyond that it's what you make of it. Some really great specific departments

UVA: one of the best (academically) in VA; many many really preppy students and active Greek life; has a mostly unfounded reputation for not being very diverse, everyone I know who goes there loves the surrounding area of Charlottesville

VCU: nationally recognized for all its art departments- if you're planning on majoring in music/drama/studio art/cinematography or anything like that definitely take a close look at VCU. Beyond that it kind of has a "hippie" campus culture, and it's in Richmond which is pretty urban in parts. Lots of stuff to do and abundant off campus housing.

Washington and Lee: not very diverse but great academics. Greek life is HUGE. Lots of wealthy kids, some people complain that the surrounding area doesn't have much to do.

Hope that helps!
 
App State does have a new nursing school. There is also a program that will be implemented soon involving a partnership with Wake Forest and Bowman Gray.

I know, but the student told my mom it was the first year. I was wondering if my mom misunderstood or if that's true.
 
I would LOVE LOVE LOVE and appreciate so much any information on George Mason, Virginia Tech, James Madison, Elon, University of Maryland College Park, University of Virginia, Virginia Commonwealth University, and Washington and Lee? TIA!!

Virginia Tech is full of kids who love the place. They are really loyal. Tech must be doing something right. It is huge though. Kids I know have been in classes of 500+ kids or classes that actually never met-they just did something on the computer at their convenience each week. Your classes for the first few years will be taught by graduate teaching assistants.

UVA has a freshman to sophomore retention rate in the upper 90's. Happy kids. A liberal arts education which I think is great.

George mason is fairly new to the game. It is becoming less of a commuter school now. Lots of new building on campus.

VCU is the largest school in the state of VA, I think. Urban, downtown kind of campus. For the good of that or the bad of that. Great in theater and arts. All of these are big state schools.

JMU. Those kids like to have fun, I think. Interstate goes smack dab thru the middle of campus. Part of campus is one style, part a different style, a little farther a totally different style.

Washington & Lee is beautiful. They meet 100% of need without loans. Bring in up to 50 students a year on merit scholarships that cover full tuition, room, board, and includes summer options. Retention rate is nearly 100%. Small classes with full faculty teaching. Never a teaching assistant.

Elon has put a lot into becoming a player. Lots of money invested into scholarship and building.
 
I'm surprised by all the people who seem to consider a car a necessity for college. While I agree it can be challenging to do internships at time, it can usually be done.

I went to school 400 miles from my parents home and only took the bus home once. Other times I was able to find ride shares. It was win/win since I provided gas money and sometimes a perfect stopping point with a free place to stay on their way home. I also went through through two semesters of teaching internships, plus student teaching, none of which were on a bus line, all without a car. The school helped match drivers with non-drivers who would pay for gas. I even lived off campus one year, walking to a grocery store and walking a few blocks to take a bus to a laundry mat.

My parents loaned me money to buy a used car after graduation. I'm 100% sure it was less expensive than maintaining a car and insurance for those four years.

The colleges my boys will probably go to will be either in a big city with busses or a small town where they can walk or ride their bike everywhere. Coming home (probably 3 or 4 times during the year) won't be an issue because the schools have charter busses to the nearest big city on breaks.


DS's school is in a smaller town. He can walk to many places but those that are too far away or in the COLD winter, the city offers free bus service to college students. It's a great system. When I went to school the school offered busing into the 'big" town down the road on a schedule so you could go into town and shop, etc.

I think I am so surprised that so many people assume I will have a car because every school I have looked at so far does not allow cars freshman year.


I don't get why everyone on here is almost trying to convince me now to go far away from home. I know what I want and that is to be close to home. I never said I was going 6 hours away, I have always said 4 months so I wish everyone would stop using 4. I myself would just feel comfortable being only 3-4 hours away from my family and all.

I also HATE to fly, will I do it if I have to? Absolutely because I love to travel but I do not want to have to get on a plane to visit my family all of the time right now.

I would love to get a job away from the northeast someday, but that someday is maybe when I have friends in a different part of the country or have more money aka when I am older. Right now all I know is in the northeast and that's where I still want to be.

I don't get why people on here were telling me to not take out loans and going on about how at 18 I dont know about taking out loans and such BUT now people are going on about how I should go far away from home. So if I am not capable of deciding how I should pay for my education how am I going to make it being a continent away from my parents?

Keep in mind that we are all older than you and have all been through this before and are trying to give you a point of view from our experience.

I for one do not believe student loans are as evil as other's have said-having paid 100% of my own schooling, taking out quite a bit, for the time, in student loans, and having ZERO problems paying them back. There are all kinds of deferment programs, etc. if needed. If the choice is not going to school or taking loans, take the loans.

Ursinus is very close to where I live. Its a fabulous school for going into the medical field, and even though I visited I'm not sure what other programs it was strong in. I personally did not like it, I saw main street and literally thought to myself "oh I'm still at home.." I personally feel as though there isn't a whole lot to do around here but there is the King of Prussia mall, and the main line is maybe 30 minutes away for amazing doctors.

Maybe I will stop deleting the emails without reading them (DD used MY email address on her ACT/PSAT tests so I get them all :rolleyes1). DD is interested in going into the medical field, for now anyway.
 
I have two kids in college right now. Neither had a car for their first 3 years. My S has a car this year but I don't think he hardly ever uses it. The last time I talked to him it wasn't working (I think he just needed to charge the battery) but he didn't seem to mind not having his car and was just walking to class.

My D has not had a car at school. She is off campus this year and her roommate is very nice and they go to the grocery store together. She is so busy I don't think she would get off campus very much. Her school has a car sharing service. The two I know of are zipcar and wecar. She had a job interview off campus last week. She used the car sharing service and it worked great.

It's $10/hr or $60/day. She found out that this service is not being used very often and she will be able to get the car pretty much when ever she needs it. It will be much cheaper for us to rent her a car much cheaper than maintaining a car on campus for her. With maintence, insurance, and parking fees for her to have a car she may drive once or twice a week, it's a no brainer for us.

I think that the easiest thing to do is to pay more for an apartment closer to campus where you can walk to classes and not have a car.

My kids are also far away from home. Our S has never had a problem finding a ride home and our D flys. They don't come home very often and have demanding majors where they don't have time to come home.
 
MrsPete -- UNC Chapel Hill does not allow freshmen to have cars and at NC State they must park at the Centennial Campus -- they call it "car storage."

On another subject, my dad has numerous health problems and knows the Boone hospital very well. He had a couple of Appalachian student nurses last week, and my mom had fun talking to them. So she was telling me all about the ASU nursing program! Is she correct that this is a new program? Assuming she is, I think that does put your daughter in an unusually good position to get scholarships and to be recruited. On the other hand, are you concerned that they don't really have a track record?
We toured Chapel Hill back in November, and I'm certain that our guide talked about freshman parking; however, by that point I'd already picked up the "this school isn't for me" vibe from my daughter, so I might not've been as serious as I should've been. She might've been talking about private parking off campus, something we've found in several places.

State no longer offers nursing, so we haven't been there personally.

I'm glad to hear positive things about the ASU program. Yes, it's a new program. I was a bit concerned about that, but I decided it's okay. The school itself is well-established, and it's a great fit for my daughter in quite a few ways (the only hold-up being that she hates cold weather). We met the head of the nursing department, and I liked her very much. On the negative side, the nursing simulation room isn't nearly as nice as Charlotte and Wilmington's facilities -- but right now they're sharing a building with education, but by the time my daughter's ready for "real" nursing classes they'll have their own building. My daughter is an excellent student -- very self-motivated, excellent grades and leadership experience, and certain of what she wants to study -- and I do hope that her scholarship potential is better in a brand-new program. On the other hand, I know at least one of my current students crossed ASU off her list specifically because the nursing program is "too new", so this IS a concern for some people. Personally, I'm more concerned about her driving in snow for clinicals. I'm open to discussion on this topic!
I know, but the student told my mom it was the first year. I was wondering if my mom misunderstood or if that's true.
Second, I think. Did they say this is their second year, or that they've got two years behind them? I can't remember.
 
Wow, I'm getting a really weird post. Looks like from Mrs. Pete and it's a screen shot. Anyone else seeing this?

Whatever it was, it's gone now. That was strange. Looked like a post from Mrs. Pete but it was a screen shot of the entire page. Very, very strange.
 
Wow, I'm getting a really weird post. Looks like from Mrs. Pete and it's a screen shot. Anyone else seeing this?

Whatever it was, it's gone now. That was strange. Looked like a post from Mrs. Pete but it was a screen shot of the entire page. Very, very strange.
Weird. I didn't do anything unusual with the above post, and to me it looks completely normal.
 
so some new ones on the list
College of Charleston???(small scale and they were super friendly-over the top with sharing emails to high ups at the school - that won my son over)

Wentworth? In Boston?(technology school)

University of Scranton(closest to home I could get him)

Georgia Tech was one that he was interested in too from the college fair and based on his major.

Unfortunately Purdue the one he was most excited about had the lamest person manning their booth. Just nothing. but we are still going out there to check it out ourselves.

anyone on any of those?
 
Virginia Tech, UVA, Georgia Tech? Any information on these three, engineering specifically?



Ga Tech is a tough school with exceptional programs. Highly respected by the ENGs I work with. I'm told Auburn is also an excellent choice.
 
so some new ones on the list
College of Charleston???(small scale and they were super friendly-over the top with sharing emails to high ups at the school - that won my son over)

Wentworth? In Boston?(technology school)

University of Scranton(closest to home I could get him)

Georgia Tech was one that he was interested in too from the college fair and based on his major.

Unfortunately Purdue the one he was most excited about had the lamest person manning their booth. Just nothing. but we are still going out there to check it out ourselves.

anyone on any of those?

We visited Scranton. It seems to be an up and coming school, but my dd did not like it. She wanted more of a campus feel, and it was kind of stuck in the middle of town. There were quite a few hills to traverse around the school, also, which I suppose is good for keeping in shape. There was alot of construction going on, which seems to me to be a good thing. The school is attracting more attention from kids around here (CT). At least one of my daughter's friends applied. I don't know if you have visited yet, but one of the things that was mentioned several times in the info session was that the school is "unadbashedly Jesuit." I'm not sure how you or your son would feel about that---just throwing it out there. And, this is nothing to do with academics, but Scranton was the only school that gave us a voucher for a meal in their dining hall. We really appreciated that, and the food was quite tasty.
 
Anyone know anything about the University of Evansville? DS16 just added that to his "list".
 














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